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So, um, JFK raped this woman...

curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
or not?

Mimi Beardsley. There's no way Jackie didn't know. WTH....This is on NBC right now. I think this woman convinced herself that he was some nice, fun guy who just liked to bonk her on occasion. :confused3:

Man JFK should be glad there was no known HIV/AIDS back then.

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  • juicyfruitjuicyfruit Posts: 751Registered Users
    What's the evidence that he raped her?
  • CurlyElectraCurlyElectra Posts: 1,145Registered Users
    Whaaaat? I need some receipts.
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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    She says as a 19 year old virgin and the second time spending time with him he took her on a tour of the White House to Jackie's bedroom where he pushed her on the bed and had sex with her. She said he asked her "Are you ok?" so even though she was in "shock" she said she was ok because, you know, he's the president....and who says no to the president?

    Um, that sounds pretty bad to me. She keeps saying she doesn't consider it rape. She said the only way he would have stopped is if she screamed.

    I know, she was there, I wasn't. Meredith isn't buying this ish either. lol

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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    Then JFK pimped her out to his best friend! What the hell.....?!?!

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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't understand. Who is Meredith? It doesn't sound like rape to me.
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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    So she says she gave oral sex to the president's best friend on his request. Then JFK asked her to do the same for recently deceased Ted Kennedy. Um.....?!

    She said no that time. Wow. This isn't limited to 21st century Anthony Weiner ish.

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  • CurlyElectraCurlyElectra Posts: 1,145Registered Users
    I found this on a JFK scandal page -
    White House intern Marion "Mimi" Beardsley whose married name is Fahnestock was 19 when JFK raped her (statutory rape - the age of consent was 21 in DC at the time). A powerful older man preying on vulnerable young women is what sexual harassment is all about.

    Is this the same woman or someone different?

    NM I thought the woman's name was Meredith. Well...um
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  • juicyfruitjuicyfruit Posts: 751Registered Users
    curlypearl wrote: »
    I don't understand. Who is Meredith? It doesn't sound like rape to me.

    I assume Meredith Viera.
  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    Same woman!

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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    Yes Meredith Viera is conducting the interview.

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  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    Well, it's common knowledge that JFK was a sleazeball. What else is new? Never did like him.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Oh come on...Sexually harassed? Maybe. Raped? No. I don't think she had to "convince" herself of much. She wrote a d*mn book about it.
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  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    Oh come on...Sexually harassed? Maybe. Raped? No. I don't think she had to "convince" herself of much. She wrote a d*mn book about it.

    Well, he did take advantage of a teenaged girl during a time when women didn't have much rights to begin with. She said she felt like she couldn't turn down the most powerful man in the world. I also remember reading that she only wrote about 48 words about the incident, I might be wrong. But she was coerced to do something she didn't want to do--regardless of whether or not she did it--isn't important. At the end of the day, that's called rape.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Well, she's had almost 50 years to think about it. She still calls it an affair.

    "Once Upon a Secret" is her book, out now I believe.
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  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    Well, she's had almost 50 years to think about it. She still calls it an affair.

    "Once Upon a Secret" is her book, out now I believe.

    Doesn't mean that she wasn't taken advantage of. I think the main reason why women don't come out with this type of info is because of victim blaming. I also have a friend who was taken advantage of by a 'friend'. She didn't want to have sex with him and he forced himself on her and she just took it. Even though she refused to call it rape, it psychologically damaged her for years and she still is torn about the situation. Maybe this woman finally feels comfortable enough to come out with this info--because rape victims rarely do.

    All because it wasn't a violent crime, doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    JFK pimped out Marilyn Monroe too...passed her around to little bro Bobby. He had very low sexual morals.

    As to Rape of this woman...tough to say. She didn't say no, and I don't consider a 19 year old woman to be under age, not now, not then. Sexual Harassment, yes, I would agree with that.
  • SariaSaria Posts: 15,963Registered Users
    What sleepymeko said. We're just really programmed to justify rape. See this:
    Prudie on “real” rape
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    sleepymeko wrote: »
    Well, she's had almost 50 years to think about it. She still calls it an affair.

    "Once Upon a Secret" is her book, out now I believe.

    Doesn't mean that she wasn't taken advantage of. I think the main reason why women don't come out with this type of info is because of victim blaming. I also have a friend who was taken advantage of by a 'friend'. She didn't want to have sex with him and he forced himself on her and she just took it. Even though she refused to call it rape, it psychologically damaged her for years and she still is torn about the situation. Maybe this woman finally feels comfortable enough to come out with this info--because rape victims rarely do.

    All because it wasn't a violent crime, doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.
    She WAS taken advantage of, no doubt. That part isn't in question. It WAS wrong, also not in question. I just don't know if I'd call it rape.
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  • curlyarcacurlyarca Posts: 8,449Registered Users
    I should add that just before he and his friend got her to drink some daiquiris.

    I dunno, it sounds like rape to me. Rape doesn't mean the person has to be beaten down and cowering in a corner. But hey, I could be wrong.

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  • sew and sewsew and sew Posts: 3,443Registered Users
    Given her mindset then as she describes it now-what phased her about him, especially in the moment they first had intercourse, it's hard for me to see her gathering the courage to resist him, and easy from her account to gather he took full advantage of that.

    If I try to put myself in those shoes, the time, the fear that would be injected into the situation by beginning to physically resist, let alone simply thinking about it, it gives me the feeling it easily could have been rape. But she genuinely was attracted to him too, so as the person going through that, she's going to hold herself accountable (natural from rape victims), recognize her own attraction to him, and so connect to it as consensual. She probably didn't resent that he did it, but it doesn't change the fact he made those moves under the circumstances he did, knowing the power he was wielding.
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    Well, she's had almost 50 years to think about it. She still calls it an affair.

    "Once Upon a Secret" is her book, out now I believe.

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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,495Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    how convenient that all those people are dead and can't defend themselves.

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  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,937Registered Users
    That's exactly what I was thinking.
  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users
    I don't think its fair to allow something to happen, for whatever reasons, then feel a little ashamed about it later, and then call it rape.

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  • cailincailin Posts: 897Registered Users
    Just food for thought:

    At a sexual harrassment class the teacher said that a relationship between a boss and a subordinate can never be consensual. The power difference is too great.

    I would say in this context with a 44/45 year old President of the United States and a 19 year old college intern... that would hold true.
  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    cailin wrote: »
    Just food for thought:

    At a sexual harrassment class the teacher said that a relationship between a boss and a subordinate can never be consensual. The power difference is too great.

    I learned this as well. but no matter what went down. I dont know why people have to bring it back to the surface for gain. most women who are raped, dont write books about it 50 years later when no one can defend themselves. when people does this, i dont trust them. what's the point? what are their motives? she claims it was an affair. we all know jfk was a man-hoe, so who cares? he slept with everybody and their mama! she's not reporting anything new and shocking.
  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    Consent under duress cannot be considered legal consent. Consent under duress would be rape. But I can't say if this was rape or not. A lot of time has gone by and humans change their own memories every day without even realizing it. Was it rape? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe she always felt forced but talked herself out of her feelings because of who he was. Maybe she developed those feelings later. I can't say. But I can't write rape off as a possibility. Things like this still happen all too often.
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  • BekkaPooBekkaPoo Posts: 3,861Registered Users
    Where's that "Honest Rape" thread when you need it.. seems there's a bit of contradiction going on here.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    Saria wrote: »
    What sleepymeko said. We're just really programmed to justify rape. See this:
    Prudie on “real” rape
    Ugh, I don't read Salon often but I happened to be on the site when that Prudie article was new. I read the headline and knew I wasn't going to like what she said. But I read it anyway, because it's important to me to keep track of how people conceptualize rape. And yup, it was just as horrible as I'd feared.

    Guess what, rapists purposely target women who they think won't be believed. Shocking, I know :roll:
  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    Given her mindset then as she describes it now-what phased her about him, especially in the moment they first had intercourse, it's hard for me to see her gathering the courage to resist him, and easy from her account to gather he took full advantage of that.

    If I try to put myself in those shoes, the time, the fear that would be injected into the situation by beginning to physically resist, let alone simply thinking about it, it gives me the feeling it easily could have been rape. But she genuinely was attracted to him too, so as the person going through that, she's going to hold herself accountable (natural from rape victims), recognize her own attraction to him, and so connect to it as consensual. She probably didn't resent that he did it, but it doesn't change the fact he made those moves under the circumstances he did, knowing the power he was wielding.
    Sew and sew, that was very well put :)

    No, we can't know for sure whether meaningful consent was given. But that's exactly why we can't write off the very real possibility that this was rape.
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