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Don't you hate how most hair prodcuts marketed to blacks do more harm than good

I tried looking for hair lotions but most have mineral oil and I use to think grease was good for the hair and scalp but later I learned it clogs pores...Why are these inventors doing that? Are they sabotaging us?

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  • moosegrl_86moosegrl_86 Posts: 403Registered Users
    They just want money. :neutral: Most of the people running those companies aren't black or don't have a texture that is common to us. Neither highly textured nor curly, I think. That's why I'm glad there are companies that care about the hair and health of their consumers even if they are bit more expensive.
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  • KuLaidejuisceKuLaidejuisce Posts: 142Registered Users
    I'm so glad someone opened a topic about this! Lol. I ruled hair lotion out completely. Ur right, its more greasy and weighs down. So I'm doing all light creams & oils.

    U kno wat else I've noticed? Everything has dimethicone! Even the most "natural" products. I'm willing to let it slide tho cuz I haven't noticed any buildup thus far.

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  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    I use body lotion with water and some lotions help but others don't like some have mineral oil too

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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    Johari wrote: »
    I tried looking for hair lotions but most have mineral oil and I use to think grease was good for the hair and scalp but later I learned it clogs pores...Why are these inventors doing that? Are they sabotaging us?

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    Quite a few women report success with hair grease/pomade. You're right that it can clog pores, so the obvious solution is to put it on the hair and not the scalp. Even if it gets on the scalp somehow, it shouldn't be a problem as long as sulfate or clarifying shampoo is occasionally used to rid the hair and scalp of build up.

    As for other products marketed to the Black community, I agree with Moosegrl. As long as the market is dominated by people w/out curly hair, it'll probably continue to be somewhat of a problem, in general anyway.
  • artemis513artemis513 Posts: 666Registered Users
    Back in the day when those ingredients were all that seemed "available" for afro-textured hair, it was a non-issue. It was effective for the demographic that purchased the products. But now as new innovations and options are available to achieve better results, these companies who assume that the demographic is not up on the times just keep the same recipes and don't upgrade the formulations to keep up with the times (or they get slick and add the new stuff but keep the same old base formula). It's like someone trying to sell you a 1989 IBM computer in 2011, swearing up and down that you can do interactive presentations with it, lol. Or better still, someone manufacturing the IBMs and marketing them to poor people, assuming that they will buy it because they they are poor when everyone else is rocking a MacBook.

    So it's not necessarily harmful to hair, but it's definitely not right from a business standpoint.
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  • pinkwolfpinkwolf Posts: 430Registered Users
    I have noticed this as well. The BSS around hte corner from has these kind of products but they either hvae cones, mineral oil, petrolum..and some have ALL of these ingredients!! I have to go to health food stores or Walgreens for my hair products now.
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  • KuLaidejuisceKuLaidejuisce Posts: 142Registered Users
    I shop in the ethnic sec at walgreens too. I'm satisfied w/ what I've found thus far. What products does ur walgreens carry?
  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    They have better products but I ment beauty supply stores that aren't Sally Beauty Supply

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  • anonymous_103081anonymous_103081 Posts: 492Registered Users
    If you ever watch Chris Rock's "Good Hair", he talks about how NONE of the supposed "Black-owned" companies are actually owned by Black owners- the owners are mostly Indian or Asian. I was like wow...that's just what we need...no wonder none of their products do my hair any good :disgust:
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    Shea mousture & kinky curly are my staples & its because they are the only ones thinking about natural products for Black people. I know shea moisture is Black led if not owned & I don't know about kinky curly ownership but I'm willing bet it is black led. I started to buy some carols daughter yesterday but its too darn expensive and a lot of its natural contents is at the bottom of the ingredient list. But just about everything else on the market for Blacks at bs stores is just that...bs
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    I believe that companies like bb and dudley etc were concentrating on smooth & shiny hair priducts instead of healthy hair products but as scientists learned more they didn't change IMO. They figured the ignorant masses still wanted cheap grease & what not. I think I would have been raised natural if just for me cared about little Black girls enough not to make a perm.
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  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    Ya most good products are expensive and I'm kinda cheap...I remember my mom bought Dr.Miricale's products are they didn't even help plus they were expensive...I still don't get why there are hair products special for black children,I don't think I've seen ones for hispanic asian or white children at the store.

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  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    CoCoLoCks wrote: »
    If you ever watch Chris Rock's "Good Hair", he talks about how NONE of the supposed "Black-owned" companies are actually owned by Black owners- the owners are mostly Indian or Asian. I was like wow...that's just what we need...no wonder none of their products do my hair any good :disgust:

    I wonder why don't black people ever work in the beauty supply stores(I mean a non Sally Beauty Supply store) b/c the asians usually don't know what they're selling so they can't recommend products.

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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    My hair hates cones and mo so for a long time all i bought at bss ( except sallys) were rollers and headbands. Now im noticing more stores starting to carry linea meant for loose curly hair and locs. Not SM but i have seen the roots of nature coil cream that i love. I see new keracare curly line. If enough people start asking for it they will get it. I have a black friend who owns a bb and she says she cant do the bargain prices the korean store. I try to shop with her but her selection is not geared for natural hair. I think i bought bobby pins or something.
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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    My hair hates cones and mo so for a long time all i bought at bss ( except sallys) were rollers and headbands. Now im noticing more stores starting to carry linea meant for loose curly hair and locs. Not SM but i have seen the roots of nature coil cream that i love. I see new keracare curly line. If enough people start asking for it they will get it. I have a black friend who owns a bb and she says she cant do the bargain prices the korean store. I try to shop with her but her selection is not geared for natural hair. I think i bought bobby pins or something.

    You gotta follow the trends. If a certain segment of her area is into natural hair care she should consider getting products like taliah waajid, sm, and kinky curly. It's not everyday you find these products in a Black owned salon, barbershop, or beauty supply store. I think it's because they aren't aware of the demand. She should try surveys and polls to see if there's an interest. I know I would support a local biz if they sold these products at a reasonable price. I would even pay a dollar or two more than walgreens or target to support entrepreneurs doing the right thing.:tweety:
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  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    sienna40 wrote: »
    adthomas wrote: »
    My hair hates cones and mo so for a long time all i bought at bss ( except sallys) were rollers and headbands. Now im noticing more stores starting to carry linea meant for loose curly hair and locs. Not SM but i have seen the roots of nature coil cream that i love. I see new keracare curly line. If enough people start asking for it they will get it. I have a black friend who owns a bb and she says she cant do the bargain prices the korean store. I try to shop with her but her selection is not geared for natural hair. I think i bought bobby pins or something.

    You gotta follow the trends. If a certain segment of her area is into natural hair care she should consider getting products like taliah waajid, sm, and kinky curly. It's not everyday you find these products in a Black owned salon, barbershop, or beauty supply store. I think it's because they aren't aware of the demand. She should try surveys and polls to see if there's an interest. I know I would support a local biz if they sold these products at a reasonable price. I would even pay a dollar or two more than walgreens or target to support entrepreneurs doing the right thing.:tweety:

    Sadly my city doesn't have too many naturals barely any..I live in the bay area of California and I was reading theirs more naturals in the south or new york....target has less cheap products so its easy to read ingredients but its sometimes expensive.Walmart is sometimes cheaper than my local beauty supply depending on product

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  • ss40ss40 Posts: 1,790Registered Users
    Johari wrote: »
    sienna40 wrote: »
    adthomas wrote: »
    My hair hates cones and mo so for a long time all i bought at bss ( except sallys) were rollers and headbands. Now im noticing more stores starting to carry linea meant for loose curly hair and locs. Not SM but i have seen the roots of nature coil cream that i love. I see new keracare curly line. If enough people start asking for it they will get it. I have a black friend who owns a bb and she says she cant do the bargain prices the korean store. I try to shop with her but her selection is not geared for natural hair. I think i bought bobby pins or something.

    You gotta follow the trends. If a certain segment of her area is into natural hair care she should consider getting products like taliah waajid, sm, and kinky curly. It's not everyday you find these products in a Black owned salon, barbershop, or beauty supply store. I think it's because they aren't aware of the demand. She should try surveys and polls to see if there's an interest. I know I would support a local biz if they sold these products at a reasonable price. I would even pay a dollar or two more than walgreens or target to support entrepreneurs doing the right thing.:tweety:

    Sadly my city doesn't have too many naturals barely any..I live in the bay area of California and I was reading theirs more naturals in the south or new york....target has less cheap products so its easy to read ingredients but its sometimes expensive.Walmart is sometimes cheaper than my local beauty supply depending on product

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    I'm up north & nowhere near nyc. I used to live in the South. I have completely converted to online shopping for hair care. I shop at walgreens ($25 for free shipping) & target mostly (but no miss jessies or kinky curly in my local stores). Although I have seen carols daughter, bumble & bumble, ojon & ouidad products at a local sephora. They are not all geared toward women of color (& pretty pricey) but I believe they are all effective to some degree.
    SM recently asked their facebook fans if they shop at bss & which ones. They may use that subtle research to find out what bss they can partner with. I think they only stock my walgreens (all 3 in a 10 mile radius) with 8-10 containers a week & they go flying off the shelves in a predominantly white area. So even a little interest & they will keep supplying. However, their hq is only about three hrs from my area. I hope they keep it organic & natural & under $10.
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  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    Awe sorry to hear that..maybe try some Hispanic products it helps sometimes more than the ones on TV.

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  • monniejmonniej Posts: 25Registered Users
    i gave up trying to find anything otc. i've been mixing my own for over a year and still haven't found anything better! the products these folks offer is a joke! for me the worst culprit was aveda. $50 for 2 products that made great claims, but didn't do jack for my hair. i know we're still early in this natural hair revolution thing, but it is a little depressing...:sad:
  • KuLaidejuisceKuLaidejuisce Posts: 142Registered Users
    monniej wrote: »
    i gave up trying to find anything otc. i've been mixing my own for over a year and still haven't found anything better! the products these folks offer is a joke! for me the worst culprit was aveda. $50 for 2 products that made great claims, but didn't do jack for my hair. i know we're still early in this natural hair revolution thing, but it is a little depressing...:sad:

    That's awesome! I'm thinking about getting into mixing my own products. I'm having a problem retaining my new growth & everything that satisfied me before, now makes my scalp & hair dry, or itch. I feel like I can't do anything w/ it! Lol. What do u mix?

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  • ajgrneyesajgrneyes Posts: 103Registered Users
    I make most of my own hair products mainly because I don't want to get dependent on a product only to have them change their formula or go out of business. To cleanse my hair I make my own version of the famous terressentials mud wash, for a styling product - fsg, and I make my own butter mixture. I'm in the process of getting an emulsifier and good natural preservative to make my own leave in conditioner.

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  • JohariJohari Posts: 673Registered Users
    Well I thought making your own products was more expensive b\c I tried making my own mix of oils and they were expensive

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  • WomanInTheJungleWomanInTheJungle Posts: 2Registered Users
    I really would love to support black owned companies, but I find the products are way over priced. I almost feel taken for an idiot when I am being sold water with glycerin and a few essential oils for £7+. Does a tub of miss Jessie's really need to be £50? I mean, what is the mark up on that? Like 90%? The products are filled with mineral oil which is a cheap ingredient
  • ajgrneyesajgrneyes Posts: 103Registered Users
    Johari wrote: »
    Well I thought making your own products was more expensive b\c I tried making my own mix of oils and they were expensive

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    The initial cost can be expensive for example, I bought 3 lbs of Shea butter, aloe butter, cupaucu a butter and 5 different oil. The cost was around $ 90 but I make a mixture for my hair and one for my body. I can't remember the last time I bought lotion and one mixture will last me for 6 months.
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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    ajgrneyes wrote: »
    Johari wrote: »
    Well I thought making your own products was more expensive b\c I tried making my own mix of oils and they were expensive

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    The initial cost can be expensive for example, I bought 3 lbs of Shea butter, aloe butter, cupaucu a butter and 5 different oil. The cost was around $ 90 but I make a mixture for my hair and one for my body. I can't remember the last time I bought lotion and one mixture will last me for 6 months.

    I agree. Making your own products are a million times better. I usually buy shea butter, jojoba, lavender oil, tea tree oil, castor oil. i can use all on hair and skin. i usually buy in bulk and all at once maybe twice a year.
  • monniejmonniej Posts: 25Registered Users
    monniej wrote: »
    i gave up trying to find anything otc. i've been mixing my own for over a year and still haven't found anything better! the products these folks offer is a joke! for me the worst culprit was aveda. $50 for 2 products that made great claims, but didn't do jack for my hair. i know we're still early in this natural hair revolution thing, but it is a little depressing...:sad:

    That's awesome! I'm thinking about getting into mixing my own products. I'm having a problem retaining my new growth & everything that satisfied me before, now makes my scalp & hair dry, or itch. I feel like I can't do anything w/ it! Lol. What do u mix?

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    i do a aloe gel, evoo, shea butter & peppermint oil moisturizer that i can use on dry hair. everything else i use is normally for after a co-wash on wet hair. my homemade mix allows me to get up to 3days before my next co-wash. i use it as a body moisturizer also. in the summer months i add some glycerin, but in the winter glycerin makes my hair dry as a bone.
  • monniejmonniej Posts: 25Registered Users
    i do have to say that after 7years and loads of dough spent, i have found some products that have turned out to be the cream of the corp for my crazy 3a-4a kinky curls:

    carol's daughter black vanilla leave in - use this on day 2 and 3 and baggie while i shower. along with the steam from the shower it pumps up my volume in the morning and gives me a shot of moisture

    my honey child quava balm - this is the closest thing i found to my homemade mix. great for curl definition on dry hair.

    just naturals nutritive herbal gel - fantastic moisturizer for day 2 and 3 hair.

    taliah waajid bountifier mist - i love to use this to moisturize my ends (i love the smell so much it ends up being the bottom 25% of my lenght!) then seal with evoo. i usually like to do this every other day (or at least the night before my co-wash) as a treat for my thirsty ends.

    after my c.d. black vanilla spritz and baggie i add a little guava balm to each section (about 12-16 "gel locs") and follow with a light coating of the herbal gel on each section.

    if i get a little dry by midday i use my homemade mix for a touch-up.