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Eyeliner recs please

HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
Eyeliner is my staple. I wear it everywhere - even just around the house. Never know who's going to show up at the door or when you gotta make a run.

I have small, deep-set eyes, so I wear more eyeliner than the average person. I've been wearing a mix of L'oreal Raven and Mocha eyeshadows as my eyeliner because they give a great smoky look. I also have a Meow eyeliner, but, as beautiful as it is, it's just too messy.

I'm looking for a pencil liner. I've used pencil liners in the past, but they don't "smoke" as well as powder, and they don't seem to last as long on my eyes. I'm looking for very dark brown/black or blackest black, and the ability to create a smoky line is crucial. I loathe harsh lines since I have to wear so much just to make my eyes visible.

I've tried putting the powder line on before the foundation, but that doesn't work for me. That Meow liner smudges so deeply and darkly, that I still looked like a raccoon even after using eye makeup remover and then applying my concealer and foundation over the top. I had dark shadows under my eyes anyway.

Any suggestions are appreciated.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Mac Kohl in Smoulder
    Milani Liquif'Eye in Black
    NYX Creme Shadowstick in Black Bean
    Illamasqua medium pencil (I haven't tried this one, but it looks super smudgeable).
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Thanks, PTNB. I knew I could count on you! Are those listed in any particular order?
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  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    e.l.f. (available at Target now) makes a great waterproof liquid pen and comes in coffee bean and black and I think they are $1. They last a couple of months each. They have a three-piece pencil set for $3 and a 5-piece kit with regular pencils and liquid liner in two or three colors for $5. I want to say black, coffee and navy?
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  • TRBLTRBL Posts: 5,289Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I use Prestige Automatic Waterproof eyeliner. I hate sharpening pencil liners so I like that this one is a twist up. It's under $6 at Ulta and comes in 8ish colors.

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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    Thanks, PTNB. I knew I could count on you! Are those listed in any particular order?
    I listed them first rec to last rec, top to bottom. The only reason Illamasqua is last is because I haven't tried it myself. But from the looks of this video, Illamasqua pencils are awesome. They seem to smudge out really well just with a fluffy brush (nevermind the makeup look itself): Illamasqua Skin Sketching colour tutorial: An Illamasqua School Of Make-up Art Technique - YouTube
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    Thanks, PTNB. I knew I could count on you! Are those listed in any particular order?
    I listed them first rec to last rec, top to bottom. The only reason Illamasqua is last is because I haven't tried it myself. But from the looks of this video, Illamasqua pencils are awesome. They seem to smudge out really well just with a fluffy brush (nevermind the makeup look itself): Illamasqua Skin Sketching colour tutorial: An Illamasqua School Of Make-up Art Technique - YouTube

    I went to MAC today and bought a Kohl Power Feline pencil. The associate thought it had more staying power, as the Smolder is really soft and great for smudging, but has no staying power. I bought a 228 brush for smudging, and I love this duo so far. Very nice, great smudge, has lasted fairly well.

    Those Illamasqua pencils look amazing! I'll have to look into those as well. I hope they're more affordable than the MAC pencils, but somehow I doubt it! Thanks again!
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    I am exactly like you except I only wear blackest black. I love Mac's smoulder but it's true it doesn't have much staying power especially for my oily lids. I always use a primer and then use the mac angle brush and sometimes put black eyeshadow over it to help. I use smoulder when I go out at night since it only needs to last a few hours, so far for me, it's the blackest black.

    For work and during the day I use urban decays 24 hour zero pencil. It's good. By the end of the day it's still on for the most part(not as fresh as the morning) which is pretty good for me. I wish it was darker but it's the darkest I can find that works for me. I've tried liquid but I don't have steady hand and I always need the angle brush to smooth it out.
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    I am exactly like you except I only wear blackest black. I love Mac's smoulder but it's true it doesn't have much staying power especially for my oily lids. I always use a primer and then use the mac angle brush and sometimes put black eyeshadow over it to help. I use smoulder when I go out at night since it only needs to last a few hours, so far for me, it's the blackest black.

    For work and during the day I use urban decays 24 hour zero pencil. It's good. By the end of the day it's still on for the most part(not as fresh as the morning) which is pretty good for me. I wish it was darker but it's the darkest I can find that works for me. I've tried liquid but I don't have steady hand and I always need the angle brush to smooth it out.

    Ok, let's try this again...first response wouldn't take.

    I have really pale skin, and that's the only reason I usually avoid the blackest black liners, but the MAC Kohl Power Feline is a blackest black liner, and I love it so far. I haven't had occasion to wear it a full day, though. The 228 brush the associate suggested for smudging works pretty well, but, like I suspected, it's a bit thick and I don't have the level of control over the thickness of the smudge line that I like. She kept suggesting a pointy smudger brush also, and I wish I would have trusted her.

    I don't like the harsh lines of liquids, but I have to say that the MAC associate had liquid liner on, and her makeup was flawless. If I'd had, I'd have had her do my makeup. She looked phenomenal.

    The pencil does accumulate in the corners of the my eyes, like even the powders do, so I haven't found a way to combat that problem yet. Probably never will, outside of using a liquid liner only.

    Next question: Any good sharpeners that don't simply eat up your pencil without even giving a good sharp point? One that doesn't give the pencil such a steep slant.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    So, Phoenix...no sharpener recs?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    I like the dual sharpener I got from Sephora. It has a small opening and a large opening, and it's covered to catch the shavings. I'm not sure how steep a slant you want, but the slant this sharpener leaves seems OK to me. And it sharpens to a nice fine point.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    I like the dual sharpener I got from Sephora. It has a small opening and a large opening, and it's covered to catch the shavings. I'm not sure how steep a slant you want, but the slant this sharpener leaves seems OK to me. And it sharpens to a nice fine point.

    Thanks for checking back! I'll look into this. I just hate how sharpeners all seem to have the primary purpose of shaving large slices off the pencil "leads" and a secondary purpose of sharpening the point--resulting in a decrease in the useable pencil 'cause it all goes into the garbage as shavings. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Thanks!
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    ^^^Yeah, I hate that too.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Damn, I really want to try those Illamasqua pencils because they also have a great dark brown/black and fantastic smudgeability. Ugh, I may have to make it a Merry-xmas-to-me gift. They come from the UK, so I'm sure the shipping is going to be obscene along with their own inherently high price. The *other* price of beauty!
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    A lot of their colors aren't shipped to the U.S. Instead I'm trying to swap for some on MakeupAlley. I'll look on Ebay too.
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  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    I put my eyeliner pencils in the freezer before sharpening. It makes a big difference. I don't waste the pencil and I get a decent point.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    I like the dual sharpener I got from Sephora. It has a small opening and a large opening, and it's covered to catch the shavings. I'm not sure how steep a slant you want, but the slant this sharpener leaves seems OK to me. And it sharpens to a nice fine point.

    Thanks for checking back! I'll look into this. I just hate how sharpeners all seem to have the primary purpose of shaving large slices off the pencil "leads" and a secondary purpose of sharpening the point--resulting in a decrease in the useable pencil 'cause it all goes into the garbage as shavings. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Thanks!
    I totally forgot about depotting eyeliners. You could try it, which would prevent wasting of the pencil "lead." Some products can be depotted, but I'm not sure if all can. Just an idea.
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  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    What is depotting eyeliners?

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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Depotting is removing a product from its pot/pan. It can be done with eyeshadows/blushes, etc., to make your own palettes. You can also depot jumbo creamshadow stix (like NYX) into little jars.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    A lot of their colors aren't shipped to the U.S. Instead I'm trying to swap for some on MakeupAlley. I'll look on Ebay too.

    Good idea...as much as I Ebay myself, I always forget to look there.
    I put my eyeliner pencils in the freezer before sharpening. It makes a big difference. I don't waste the pencil and I get a decent point.

    Good idea! Thanks!
    curlybran wrote: »
    What is depotting eyeliners?

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    Haha, I was going to ask this, but I just Googled it instead. Looks like it's not something that involves pencils--just makeup items that come in pots--like eyeshadow or blush. Or...are you talking about something different, P?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    You can also "depot" nyx jumbo creamshadow stix from the stick itself into a small jar (I guess that is technically potting rather than depotting). So I thought maybe it could be done with regular eyeliners too. Maybe I'll try it and report back...
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    Gotcha! Thank you!

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  • LuvinCurls80LuvinCurls80 Posts: 28Registered Users
    Hi ladies,

    You can buy illamasqua (sp?) at sephora either online or at a store near you. Another option you may want to try is gel eyeliner. It's usually a lot more dense and opaque in color but can still be smudged. It takes a little getting used to when smudging out the color. My favorite is from Clinique, however a cheaper alternative to try out would be L'oreal hip or wet n wild. HTH :-)
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Good rec on the gel liner.

    But sephora doesnt carry illamasqua e/l pencils, to my knowledge.
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    Love Bobbi Brown long-wear gel eyeliner. Easy to apply and lasts all day. :glasses8:
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Hmm, I tried L'oreal HIP gel eyeliner once...and only once. Just didn't work for the look I was trying to achieve. The average person doesn't demand so much out of an everyday eyeliner the way I do. It's my spinach!

    I've been coveting this smudger brush...I wonder if it's thinner than the MAC 228 I'm using now, which I'm finding more and more each day to be just a tad too thick for smudging everyday smoky eye looks--meaning thinner lines.

    Any luck on finding those Illamasqua pencils stateside? Does MAC have a brown/black version of the Feline Kohl Power pencil? I don't recall seeing anything.

    ETA: MAC has nothing, but I did find a coupon code at Retail Me Not that does work at Illamasqua.com. It's 15% off your order, and it does work. I'm one step closer to buying Sorceress Medium Pencil. :drool:
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    I havent looked elsewhere for the pencils yet. But the brush looks a lot like the japonesque travel smudger. It's a lot cheaper than the mac 228, the bristles are very short and compact, and the bristles are also "thin" if you turn the brush to the side. I have the full size smudger, but I checked the website and dont see a full size just the travel size.

    Edit: I checked and the brush I have is from Ulta not Japonesque. Good brush.
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    Josephine wrote: »
    I am exactly like you except I only wear blackest black. I love Mac's smoulder but it's true it doesn't have much staying power especially for my oily lids. I always use a primer and then use the mac angle brush and sometimes put black eyeshadow over it to help. I use smoulder when I go out at night since it only needs to last a few hours, so far for me, it's the blackest black.

    For work and during the day I use urban decays 24 hour zero pencil. It's good. By the end of the day it's still on for the most part(not as fresh as the morning) which is pretty good for me. I wish it was darker but it's the darkest I can find that works for me. I've tried liquid but I don't have steady hand and I always need the angle brush to smooth it out.

    Ok, let's try this again...first response wouldn't take.

    I have really pale skin, and that's the only reason I usually avoid the blackest black liners, but the MAC Kohl Power Feline is a blackest black liner, and I love it so far. I haven't had occasion to wear it a full day, though. The 228 brush the associate suggested for smudging works pretty well, but, like I suspected, it's a bit thick and I don't have the level of control over the thickness of the smudge line that I like. She kept suggesting a pointy smudger brush also, and I wish I would have trusted her.

    I don't like the harsh lines of liquids, but I have to say that the MAC associate had liquid liner on, and her makeup was flawless. If I'd had, I'd have had her do my makeup. She looked phenomenal.

    The pencil does accumulate in the corners of the my eyes, like even the powders do, so I haven't found a way to combat that problem yet. Probably never will, outside of using a liquid liner only.

    Next question: Any good sharpeners that don't simply eat up your pencil without even giving a good sharp point? One that doesn't give the pencil such a steep slant.

    Okay, I don't fully understand, I thought you wanted a dark liner, lol but it's okay. I'm interested in the power feline pencil, is it actually darker than smolder?? I would love to try that. It is hard to find a liner that doesn't smudge at all if I wear it all day..I'm okay with it now. I have yet to find a good gel or liquid liner that is easy to apply.
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    Honeycurls wrote: »
    Josephine wrote: »
    I am exactly like you except I only wear blackest black. I love Mac's smoulder but it's true it doesn't have much staying power especially for my oily lids. I always use a primer and then use the mac angle brush and sometimes put black eyeshadow over it to help. I use smoulder when I go out at night since it only needs to last a few hours, so far for me, it's the blackest black.

    For work and during the day I use urban decays 24 hour zero pencil. It's good. By the end of the day it's still on for the most part(not as fresh as the morning) which is pretty good for me. I wish it was darker but it's the darkest I can find that works for me. I've tried liquid but I don't have steady hand and I always need the angle brush to smooth it out.

    Ok, let's try this again...first response wouldn't take.

    I have really pale skin, and that's the only reason I usually avoid the blackest black liners, but the MAC Kohl Power Feline is a blackest black liner, and I love it so far. I haven't had occasion to wear it a full day, though. The 228 brush the associate suggested for smudging works pretty well, but, like I suspected, it's a bit thick and I don't have the level of control over the thickness of the smudge line that I like. She kept suggesting a pointy smudger brush also, and I wish I would have trusted her.

    I don't like the harsh lines of liquids, but I have to say that the MAC associate had liquid liner on, and her makeup was flawless. If I'd had, I'd have had her do my makeup. She looked phenomenal.

    The pencil does accumulate in the corners of the my eyes, like even the powders do, so I haven't found a way to combat that problem yet. Probably never will, outside of using a liquid liner only.

    Next question: Any good sharpeners that don't simply eat up your pencil without even giving a good sharp point? One that doesn't give the pencil such a steep slant.

    Okay, I don't fully understand, I thought you wanted a dark liner, lol but it's okay. I'm interested in the power feline pencil, is it actually darker than smolder?? I would love to try that. It is hard to find a liner that doesn't smudge at all if I wear it all day..I'm okay with it now. I have yet to find a good gel or liquid liner that is easy to apply.

    Oh, no, no, nc.com was having issues that day, and the first response I typed up didn't post like I thought it did. I *do* want a dark liner. My first choice would be a very dark black/brown, but I'm open to blackest black as well. It's just not my first choice because my coloring is so weird, but it's almost impossible to find a good true, rich, dark brown/black.

    I don't know what color Smolder actually is--I think it's regular black. But, the Power Kohl in Feline is a "blackest" black and while smudgeable for smoky looks, it has better staying power than the Smolder. And, after wearing it all this time, I have to say it stays no more or less than the eyeshadows I've been wearing as liner for the past 3 years. I have to touch up the corners later in the day--as always. I wish I could get away with not wearing liner into the corner (top corner only), but I just can't. I think you might like it, though. Only one way to find out...!
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    I've found out that Milanis (drugstore brand) liquify eyeliner has more staying power than urban decay 24/7 and it's a soft pencil that you can smudge(but you have to do it quickly before it dries out). I found this by doing some research online, its my second day using it and it fades a tiny bit(my lids are extremely oily and i am not using primer now) but didnt not run(like smolder) or fade much(like urban decay).
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