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Is Robert Criag a semi permanent color?

CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
Hi ladies,

Im newly CG and my hair seems so much better because of it i dont want to mess up my progress with color My goal is to cover grey, not change my hair color which is medium brown with some red and gold in it. Here are my questions?

1. Is Robert Craig a Semi Permanent color?
2. How does it cover grey?
3. How can I compare rc to choosing to use natural henna?
4. Can Henna be used to cover grey only or is it going to dye my hair too?
5. Does natural Henna only come in Red?
6. What happens to brown hair when Red Henna is applied?
7. Do stylists use henna or is that up to me to do it?

I wish I could JUST cover grey and not change my hair color. My grey is only at the crown. Thanks everyone!
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I love plopping.
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Trying out CJ conditioners.
Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Hi ladies,

    I'm newly CG and my hair seems so much better because of it i don't want to mess up my progress with color My goal is to cover grey, not change my hair color which is medium brown with some red and gold in it. Here are my questions?

    1. Is Robert Craig a Semi Permanent color?
    2. How does it cover grey?
    3. How can I compare rc to choosing to use natural henna?
    4. Can Henna be used to cover grey only or is it going to dye my hair too?
    5. Does natural Henna only come in Red?
    6. What happens to brown hair when Red Henna is applied?
    7. Do stylists use henna or is that up to me to do it?

    I wish I could JUST cover grey and not change my hair color. My grey is only at the crown. Thanks everyone!

    Answers on what I know, not much about henna:

    1. RC is considered a semi/demi/permament color. The permanence depends on the length of time it's on the hair.

    2. Yes, it covers gray! I have used it for over 13 years to cover and blend gray in my hair. My older sis has much more gray and you'd never tell it by her excellent haircolor! :)

    3. RC Color is much easier to use than henna: no scent, not messy, only takes 15-45 min. I haven't used henna myself but I believe it's left on overnight in most cases. RC will not dry out your hair. I have heard henna can dry it. :? ??

    4. Henna will color your whole hair, as will RC. But if you choose an RC shade lighter than your hair, it will blend the grays without darkening or changing the tone of your hair. :)

    These next ones are better left for the henna gurus:
    5. I think you can add indigo to counteract some red, but I believe it's still going to be reddish.
    6. and 7. - no idea! ;)

    You CAN just cover your gray with RC Color without changing your haircolor. :D If you decide to go this route, LMK and I can help you choose a perfect shade. I've had great experience helping curlies find the right shade over the years. :)

    FYI: However, I believe that you CANNOT use RC over henna, so if you go the henna route, you'll have to wait until it grows out to try RC. I think you can do the other way around though, RC then henna later.

    HTH
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I just looked at your pics. Is that your natural color? Beautiful! It seems to shine red outdoors, is it as red indoors? I ask because it looks similar to mine - it looks medium brown indoors but shines red outdoors. :)
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] -- gone, but never forgotten.
  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Hi Curilocks!

    Thanks so much for all of the great RC info! :toothy6: My hair was colored and I did a BB on 6/30/11, so about 4 1/2 months ago. So the pictures you are seeing are colored hair.

    However, I asked her to do my color as close as possible to my natural color. She has been doing my hair since I was 18 and knows my hair color well! So I would say it is a good representation of my natural hair color -- just a bit darker. My hair does have natural red and blonde highlights in it -- and just as you said, it shows in the sun only. More red than blonde, but noticeable outside. :toothy6:

    I think I will go for the RC, and would LOVE IT if you could help me pick a shade. On my Fotki page I have an album called "my hair before babies" which is my natural color -- before ever using any color at all.

    As I mentioned I only want to cover grey, which is only at the crown and very top of my forehead at the temple area. I worry if it will do damage to the hair. I've been working so hard the last month plus to do everything right, and bring back the curl and health to my hair.

    Since going CG, I can't believe how much healthier my hair looks already! It's really amazing! I am doing so much in terms of experimeting with products, and various methods. I do love FSG and make my own. My hubbie calls it my "brew" :laughing6:

    One last question -- do sylists/salons use RC? I recently went and got a DevaCurl cut. I know sylists are particular about what they use. Also, if I have to do it myself, do you have tips for me? I've NEVER colored my own hair and I'm nervous at the prospect! :confused1:

    Thank you SO MUCH for your input! Can't wait to hear back what you think would be a good shade to cover grey! :blob6:
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    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Our hair is very similar in color, and I use #7 Golden Chestnut to blend my grays into natural highlights. If you don't mind the gold/red tones and want to turn the grays into highlights, you could use the same shade. It should not darken the rest of your hair. You can see my hair in my fotki album too. :)

    If you want to get away from the red/gold, then you would need to mix it with a neutral. Do not use #8 as that may darken your hair, it is actually darker than #7.

    I would suggest #7 Golden Chestnut, do a strand test or two on different parts of your hair (gray and non-gray) so you can see how long you need to leave it to cover/blend gray without getting too dark. You don't need to cut off the hair, just separate, apply color and wrap with plastic wrap to keep separated. Check your timing. Probably at least 10-15, it may take up to 45 if your gray is resistant (like mine). But most likely not.

    You can apply the color to the strands, check the time after 10-15 min. You can just wipe the strand dry with a paper towel. If it's not dark enough, reapply mixture and check again in another 10. That's the easiest way to strand test. :)

    Since your hair has been processed, the color may take more quickly until it's grown out. So watch the strands and time carefully.

    When you're ready to color, it's best to shampoo or lowpoo instead of condition wash as that can leave a coating. The color won't stick then. Do not use styling products before coloring either. When you have found your correct timing, apply to the whole head, starting at the gray areas. If you have an SO or friend that can help, that's easier, but you can do it yourself.

    When your color is right, rinse and condition wash. You don't have to shampoo, but don't use anything rich in oils, glycerin, etc as it will strip the new color. Same goes for styling products. Avoid oils, heavy creams, glycerin for at least a week until the color is really set. Do not thoroughly wet the hair for 72 hours if possible. Just spritz and style.

    There are a few salons that use RC but mostly in NY. Hair Color, Hair Care and The No More Bad Hair Days Kit by Robert Craig Salon Products, Ltd.

    Did I answer everything? LMK if you need anything else. I'm happy to help out. :)

    Oh, since you have long hair, you may need 2 boxes the first time. After that, you will just be coloring roots mostly and 1 will suffice.
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Wow, Curlilocks, that was amazing!!! Thank you SO MUCH for all of that really great and detailed info!!!

    I looked at your photos, and I agree, our hair color is very similar. I'm just trying to figure out if I have the confidence to do this myself! LOL! I'd love it if I could!!

    What a tremendous help that was to me, and I thank you so much for taking the time to explain all of that to me, so clearly too! There is a salon in So Cal called "Curls On Top" in Laguna (not overly close but not too far) and I thought I might call to see if they do RC. They are probably the only ones who might as they are CG trained.

    Thanks again for all of the help. I'll keep you posted on what I decide to do! :happy2:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]CG since Oct. 5, 2011
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Please do keep me posted! :) You can do it! As long as you do a strand test, you won't have any unpleasant surprises. LOL
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    Please do keep me posted! :) You can do it! As long as you do a strand test, you won't have any unpleasant surprises. LOL

    Thanks! That's what I'll do and I'll keep you posted! :wave:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]CG since Oct. 5, 2011
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I'd come over and help out if we lived closer! :)
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] -- gone, but never forgotten.
  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    I'd come over and help out if we lived closer! :)

    Oh SHOOT! I was JUST in the Bay Area for my hubbie's reunion at Stanford. Drats! Lol! :laughing6:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]CG since Oct. 5, 2011
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    I'd come over and help out if we lived closer! :)

    Oh SHOOT! I was JUST in the Bay Area for my hubbie's reunion at Stanford. Drats! Lol! :laughing6:

    Well, contact me next time and we'll get together! :)
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Sounds great :toothy8:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]CG since Oct. 5, 2011
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Hi Curlilocks, I made an appointment for a haircut and asked if they would color my hair with RC. They said they use Organic Coloring Solutions. The salon is "Curls On Top" in Laguna. They are known for doing CG method.

    Have you ever heard of Organic Coloring Systems?
    I think I'm too chicken to do my own color but worry about what the product they use to color might do to my hair's condition. It's finally starting to look a lot better!

    Thoughts? Thanks!!! Stephanie
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I have never heard of it before. This is all I found --
    Organic Color Systems Packages

    It looks like their lowest level of peroxide they use is 10%. That isn't really bad but it's going to be more harsh than RC Color.

    Most salons will not apply color for you if they do not carry the brand. I think it's a liability thing.

    If your hair is healthy, you should be ok with this, but make sure they use a light enough color so you don't get darker hair.

    If not, try the RC route. It will be much cheaper! :D
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
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  • stylistlaciestylistlacie Posts: 10Registered Users
    That is the correct website. Organic Color Systems is a great line. After carrying it for a few months, I realized that it opened up my salon for a whole new group of customers. Consumers are becoming genuinely angry about companies not being transparent with their ingredients and business practices, and Organic Color Systems is the only hair color company out there that runs their business with the goal of having the most natural products without sacrificing results.

    They have a dedicated following, as I would guess you will soon be a part of after you see the results it can give you and your hair :) When I decided to become an "Organic Hair Colorist", I saw my salon go from a run of the mill hair salon to a specialized organic and "safe" salon. We now attract customers with how safe our organic products are and keep them coming back for more with the absolutely amazing results you can get with OCS.

    Of course, this isnt a line you can use by yourself. This line is for serious hair colorists and stylists who want to really see shockingly beautiful, movie-like results for every client that comes through their door. If you arent the type of person to go to a salon to get your hair colored often, keep this line in mind when you need an ultra high quality color job and NEED to look AMAZING, because that is what this line is best at!
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    I have never heard of it before. This is all I found --
    Organic Color Systems Packages

    It looks like their lowest level of peroxide they use is 10%. That isn't really bad but it's going to be more harsh than RC Color.

    Most salons will not apply color for you if they do not carry the brand. I think it's a liability thing.

    If your hair is healthy, you should be ok with this, but make sure they use a light enough color so you don't get darker hair.

    If not, try the RC route. It will be much cheaper! :D
  • CurliniCurlini Posts: 258Registered Users
    Curlystephie-
    Curlilocks is the expert here on Robert Craig but I wanted to chime in too because I have also used RC - I colored with RC for about a year and 1/2. On the plus side it is color deposit only, more gentle than other permanent colors and won't damage your hair as much. In my experience it works well if you want your hair to be quite dark. From the reviews I've read it seems to cover gray well for some people and not others. I ended up switching to a different permanent color because I couldn't cover the gray roots with the light auburn color I was aiming for and I didn't want to have very dark hair. I hope it works for you. Good luck!
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    I appreciate all of the responses and insight ladies! I am going to let them do the Organic Color Systems and hope for the best. I'm going to see if they will just do the crown (where I'm grey) and leave the rest of the hair alone. I'll update when it's done. Thanks again!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]CG since Oct. 5, 2011
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    It's worth a try to see how it works on your hair. Good luck and report back! :) With pictures! :D
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    It's worth a try to see how it works on your hair. Good luck and report back! :) With pictures! :D

    I will report back (with pictures) after I'm done! Hoping for the best! :blob4:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]CG since Oct. 5, 2011
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlystephie%2F" class="Popup
    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    When is your appt? :)
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    When is your appt? :)

    Saturday (tomorrow) late afternoon. I'll try to post pics this weekend! :happy7:
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    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlystephie%2F" class="Popup
    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Good luck! have fun!
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Hi Ladies,

    Trying to learn how to attach thumbnails. I hope I did this right. If not, I'll try again! The biggest difference I saw was in the back of my hair. I'll post those first:
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    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlystephie%2F" class="Popup
    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Hi, okay yea I know how to attach thumbnails now:blob4:!!

    The first picture I post is PRE-DEVA cut. The next picture will be the one in the car driving home from the cut (and trying not to crash while taking a picture -- hence the weird look on my face). The last ones are taken at night, at home and the lighting is terrible, but should give you the idea.

    The biggest difference I see is in the back of my hair, but overall I am curlier. They were able to dry me under the dryer without frizz, which is amazing to me. Vickie is super knowledgeable and passionate about Deva Cuts, and Deva products. She took a LOT of time explaining how to use the products, and giving me tips and tricks. It was a very low key, friendly, non pretentious environment which I loved. Vickie really knows her stuff, and for those who live in the Orange County, CA area, I highly recommend Vickie at Curls On Top salon in Laguna Beach, CA. Okay, now for the pictures:
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    It looks great CS! It is more curly, and the ends don't look scraggly or thin. Good cut! :) And although the color is off on that one pic, it does show the texture and cut well.

    Hmm, maybe I'll have to schedule a cut whenever I get back down there to your area. :)
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    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    It looks great CS! It is more curly, and the ends don't look scraggly or thin. Good cut! :) And although the color is off on that one pic, it does show the texture and cut well.

    Hmm, maybe I'll have to schedule a cut whenever I get back down there to your area. :)

    Thanks CL! It's definitely curlier. So I forgot to mention the color. I guess that's a good sign since I only wanted to cover grey, and not have it "stand out" at all. They only colored my roots, which is good. It's a tad too light, but it's fine.

    Interestingly, she advised me how to touch up the roots if I need to on my own. I've never had a stylist suggest this, and I thought that was very cool of her.

    So.... Next time, I'm going for it! I'm going to do the RC as you explained! Thanks again for such detailed info. Let me know if you come down, Laguna is lovely and I could go with you :-)

    Oh and she told me I was Boticelli curls. It seems to me I have a mix? :hello2: have a great Thanksgiving!
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I forgot to ask about the color too. You can't really see any difference in the photos, so I guess it matched well. :)

    What type of tips did she give you for root touch-ups?

    And I will definitely be in touch whenever I head down your way. :) That would be fun to have you along for a haircut too!

    I wish you a happy Thanksgiving too! :)
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  • gardencurlsgardencurls Posts: 573Registered Users
    Looks fantastic!

    I want to post here as well because (thanks to CurliLocks) I am very successfully using Robert Craig. I've colored with it 5x now, and I couldn't be happier. I've been strictly CG since August, in order to heal my hair from years and years of torture. I could tell from the first time I used RC, by its lack of odor and obvious gentleness, that I wanted to be able to make it work. I've had a lot of experience with coloring my hair, so I knew the trick was in figuring out its quirks.

    The first time I used RC, it didn't cover gray. The next time I used the wrong color, and it turned purpelish, which is not flattering on me. The 3rd time I used it, I mixed a red and a brown, and it became very very dark and unhighlighted, like I was wearing a wig of fake hair.

    CurliLocks intervened here (cyber hug!).:smile:

    My problem was I used the RC just like an ordinary, high lift coloring and I didn't know how this type of deposit-only color worked (it's not like semi-permanent deposit). I learned that if your hair isn't completely clean, the color will not absorb, or it will absorb too much and then wash out quickly. I have medium/low porosity hair, so I need my hair to be completely dry so it absorbs color better.

    I went on the RC site and I bought a bowl, a couple of brushes, and the nifty little "mixer" thing they sell. Rather than shake the squeeze applicator and apply, I now mix the powder in warm water with the mixer and pour the coloring into a bowl. This makes a HUGE difference, because the color is mixed way more thoroughly, and it can expand enough to become a foamy mousse, similar to the texture of whipped egg whites.

    Then I brush it on my roots (and I lightly brushed my whole head to lighten after the dark disaster), but I apply only enough to cover my hair. I brush a little extra on the grays, but I don't soak my head in coloring. (I wind up with a lot of leftover dye, and I never, ever did with drugstore hair coloring). Then I put on a plastic processing cap, and a towel over that, and wait an hour for gray coverage.

    It's amazing! This stuff has no odor and it's extremely gentle. It rinses out clean within 5 minutes and it doesn't transfer to towels or clothing, etc. My hair feels softer after coloring.

    I think, in addition to having really clean hair, getting the product properly mixed to that foamy texture is the trick to getting this right. Also, lightly coating the hair and not bunching it or soaking it allows for even penetration and doesn't gunk up the product so it washes out.

    I really hope more people can have better experiences with this coloring because it's SO much better not having to inhale the fumes from other permanent coloring, and not have to turn hair into straw or destroy curl pattern in order to cover gray or get new colors!

    Edit: forgot to say - I'm using #13, Coppery Golden Blonde, which is about the last color you'd expect for someone with naturally very dark hair. However, RC colors come out dark, so this adds red highlights to all my hair, and it makes my grays coppery auburn. They look like natural highlights! I need to post a better pic, because my avatar doesn't show the color well.
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    What an excellent post gardencurls! ((cyberhug)) back! :D

    I'm so happy that you have found the tricks to make the Color work so well for you. :) I love that little mixer, it does make it much foamier! I have a bowl and brushes but I usually just squeeze it out of the bottle and rub around with a gloved finger. Maybe I should try the brush again to compare.

    Please do post new pictures, I'd love to see!
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  • CurlyStephieCurlyStephie Posts: 62Registered Users
    Hi Curlilocks and Gardencurls,

    Thanks for the great messages, ladies!!! Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. I had it at my house, and it was wonderful and tiring!

    Okay, so I have to tell you that the color situation was a bit disappointing as they used Schwarzkopf instead of Organic Coloring Systems. They said it was better at covering grey. It's a bit brassy looking, but not overly noticeable. My hair does seem a bit drier, and I now have a bit of an issue with tangles that I never had before, but, I'm not dealing with grey! No way!

    Her tips for coloring were:
    1. Never use box color.
    2. Get the tubes, high quality color
    3. If I'm only covering grey roots, there's no reason I can't do it myself.

    I thought that was nice of her to recommend that as it's something she obviously makes money on, that she was encouraging me to do myself. Perhaps because I was coming from relatively far away?

    This salon was a nice experience. I didn't quite know what to expect, but it was very small, with only two people working there. It was low key, unpretentious and intimate. I loved that.

    So I am totally going for it next time -- and doing the RC color myself when I need a root touch up. I think I can do at least as good a job as they did, especially with all of the GREAT detailed advice from you ladies!!

    I have to say as the days have gone by, I've realized I really love this deva cut she gave me! I will go back to get my next haircut from Vicky at Curls On Top in Laguna without a doubt. My hair is MUCH curlier!

    Oh, one side note, I started using AG:Recoil. Wowzer, that has made my hair so curly and allowed me to keep the curl going all day and even into 2nd day hair. So exciting. :blob8:

    So, that's the latest! Curlilocks, let me know if you decide to head down south for a cut -- and I'll join you! Enjoy your weekend!
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    Had two Brazillian Blowouts (last one on 6/30/11)
    Curly all of my life but I don't know if I"m a 3a or 3b or both?:dontknow:
    I love plopping.
    CJ CIAB is a HG for me :blob8:
    Trying out CJ conditioners.
    Make my own FSG using honey, fote, and mag oil.
    Deva Curl "No Poo" "One Conditioner" "Heaven In Hair" "Bleaven" "AnGel" and "Set up and above"
    Need more CURL ENHANCEMENT and HOLD and FRIZZ CONTROL!
  • gardencurlsgardencurls Posts: 573Registered Users
    Hey - I live in South Orange County, too! I've had my eye on Curls on Top for some time, and now I know I'll give it a try when I need a cut again. I wish I'd known about it before I chopped my own hair in frustration right before I went CG...

    Your hair does look gorgeous - both color and cut:flower:
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