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Hair falling out after CG?

jessicaaalovexjessicaaalovex Posts: 22Registered Users
I started CG this summer, in June. At first, everything was fine. I shed what I would normally shed before CG. I used the Miss Jessie's Creme de la Curl Cleanser and Conditioner, which I didn't like for the price I paid, so around August or September, I started co-washing (with Suave shampoo) and my hair started to fall out so much more. When I scrub my scalp and rake my fingers through my hair, I literally have to stop, take off all the hair from my fingers that has fallen out, and start again. Also when I detangle my hair with a comb, I have to take off all the fallen hairs from the comb too.

I tried switching to an SLS free shampoo but things remain the same. It has gotten to such a point that I straightened out my hair yesterday and my friends commented on how much thinner it looks. My hair is not particularly thin, but just the amount of hair that I leave behind in the shower has really started to bother me.

If someone could offer any suggestion as to why this is happening, or possibly a solution, it would be greatly appreciated!
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  • RunDivaRunRunDivaRun Posts: 39Registered Users
    Hi Jessica,

    First things first....try not to stress....I know it's hard, but that may be a part of the problem. I started being CG at the end of May and I noticed a lot more hair coming out of my scalp during showers and coming out from the root. It had been happening for months and I though that at the rate I was losing hair I would be bald soon, but it never happened. My hair is still growing bu I'm not retaining all of my hair because of all the shedding. I went to my dermatologist and she did a hair strand test and told me I had telogen effluvium. It's a condition caused by a stressful event that has your hair shedding for up to a year, but will correct itself. Some people take rogain if it worries them that much. I'm not and I'm still not bald. I also went to my Doc and had him do a blood test to make sure my iron and all other things were in normal range. And I'm as healthy as an ox. Soooooooo, not saying that you have this but it may be a good place to start since I went and am currently going through it right now. Good luck and try not to worry too much if it is that then it will most likely just taper off on it's own.
  • LanishaLanisha Posts: 467Registered Users
    Do a search in the NC search bar for thinning, shedding, losing hair, curly girl, conditioner, scalp, whatever combination of those words you like. See how many threads you get with women asking this same question because they're having the same experience and wondering if the cause is their curly girl regimen. I'm not saying it is or isn't, but if people are asking, it can't be for no reason...

    For what it's worth, I've lost a lot of hair since trying to go curly girl in january too. enough to the point that the thought of it makes me sick. my hair is important to me.

    Go with your instincts, not what other people tell you. curly girl doesn't take into account that everyone's scalp is different. just like everyone can't use scented body wash because some people get rashes and allergic reactions, not everyone can use the same methods to clean their scalp. Some people's follicles get clogged really easily, whereas I've seen other people wash their hair once a month and it's thick and thriving. Curly girl is not for everyone. NOTHING works for EVERYONE.
  • starsstars Posts: 108Registered Users
    I've often wondered this too. And Lanisha is right, I mean, SO many people have also complained about their hair falling out after going CG, so there's gotta be come correlation. I've started to go back to using sulfate shampoos, but I still use all-natural conditioners. Not sure if it's working yet. I feel like CG made my hair way too soft and limp, to the point where it does nothing! So if you also feel like there has been a connection with going CG and hair falling out, I'd try going back to non-CG routines.
  • SayoonSayoon Posts: 432Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    R u using hair conditioner on ur scalp , if yes then stop cuz it could be the main cause only condition the ends , also if yr using hair oil any hair oil could make the weak hair fall and after a while let strong ones grow instead. Use bone marrow as a weekly mask to grow lost hair and use henna every two weeks to stop hair from falling
  • sricheysrichey Posts: 3Registered Users
    I started the CG routine about 3 months ago and my hair is falling out like crazy. I use Deva noo-poo shampoo, conditioner and gel. I wash every 2-3 days (same as before the CG routine) and I am losing about 5 times more hair than I did before. My hair feels like mush when it is wet and it stretches and breaks. I am taking Biotin, Vitamin D & B. I'm not under any more stress than normal and I had bloodwork done that came back normal. I am concerned that my hair just does not agree with the Deva line. Any suggestions on other products would be greatly appreciated.
  • curly01curly01 Posts: 284Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Whenever I've done cg or mod cg, I have shed hair like crazy! Soooo much more than I normally do. I could never figure out why. I've tried many, many, many different cg products and brands, so it's not just one particular brand.
    I'm not cg anymore and will never do it again. It didn't work for me on any level, but the hair loss was quite scarey. My hair would often come out in very large clumps in the shower. I wet my hair in the shower everyday, and I lost large amounts of hair every time. I'm still trying to get my hair back to "normal". So I agree with the others who have said that it's definitely not for everyone.
  • jessicaaalovexjessicaaalovex Posts: 22Registered Users
    I've still had no such luck discovering what is causing my hair to fall out. I showed my mom all the hair I pull out in the shower and she said it seems to her like normal hair loss. She also pointed out that since I was detangling my hair in the shower now maybe that's why I notice more hair falling out.
    I've noticed that my hair takes a lot longer to grow now than before and I wondered if all this hair loss was the cause of it. I would hate to have to give up CG because it has done wonders for my curls with the exception of this issue. I hope we can all find some solution soon!
  • MirabellaMirabella Posts: 40Registered Users
    Have you tried doing a protein treatment to see if that helps? Also keeping the conditioner off your scalp and just on the length may help too. There are a couple of great articles from Shelli from Hairscapades on how she cut down her shedding, with the biggest help being from protein treatments. The articles are mentioned in this post:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/thin-thinning-hair/138940-co-washing-thinning-hair.html

    I know it can be very disturbing seeing all that hair come out in the shower, if it really bothers I would also consider getting checked by your doctor for anything that could cause hair loss and look at any stress factors, health reasons that could be causing it. (I've also seen others mention that suave caused them to shed more than other conditioners, so maybe changing your cowash conditioner could help.)
  • hookilauhookilau Posts: 269Registered Users
    When I first started CG my hair shed in the shower like crazy, my scalp gradually became acutely inflamed and irritated. I gave in after *very* noticeable hair loss...so much so you could see my scalp:sad1: I'm associating the scalp irritation with the hair loss. I tried to keep all products away from my scalp but with plopping, the amount of product and scrunching soaking wet hair, I couldn't keep it all off my scalp..

    :binky: I gave in after doing CG for about 8+ months and went back to where I had no hair problems...a cute cut, my hairdryer, and regular shampoos and conditioners.

    After quitting CG for about as many months as I did CG, my scalp is very much back to normal and my hair has grown in sufficiently that I know now that for me, my problem had to be the whole CG routine. I really needed the break to re-set my scalp and hair.

    My waves didn't go anywhere even though I'd been blowing it out straight for a while. Suave co wash is the devil for me, I use low poo and keep conditioner off my hair. I shampoo every day (not doing this started a downward spiral for me) keep stylers off my scalp and my routine as simple as possible.

    Good luck and do what works for you. It's not just you, the routine doesn't agree with everyone:hello2:
    Following CG
    fine, medium-low density :confused5:
    protein loving, porous, elasticity ?

    Co-wash: Tresemme Perfectly Undone
    LI/RO: GVP Conditioning Balm, Jane Carter Solutions Nutrient Replenishing Conditioner
    Stylers: KCCC, AG recoil, CurlKeeper, As I am curling pudding
    Protein treatments: Aphogee's Keratin 2 minute reconstructor, and Colorful neutral protein filler

    Loves: aloe, glycerin & polyquats even in neg dews
    :happy3:
  • windycitycurlwindycitycurl Posts: 55Registered Users
    I have never gone completely CG, but every time I've tried to do a co-wash every other wash it just doesn't work. I have had scalp irritation/soreness and hair loss, so I have to use shampoo. My scalp will not put up with co-washing/CG.

    Good Luck!
    4a
    Fine w/some thickness at the crown
    Med Porosity/Low Protein
    Henna-once/twice a year
    Terressentials Mud Wash-2/3X a month
    Aussie Moist Condish- Detangler, AOGBP Condish-rare protein tx
    AO White Camellia-Deep Condish
    CJ Smoothing Lotion- Leave-in
    JessiCurl WDT- Leave-in
    QBO&HHB-Sealant/Moisturizer
    Water/Aloe Vera Juice/Oil blend-Moisturizing Spritz

    OILS-Scalp prewash: coconut oil/tea tree/lavender blend
    Sealant(s): Coconut/Shea/Argan/Castor/Olive blend

    Staple Styler: KCCC!!!
  • curlyevcurlyev Posts: 246Registered Users
    I think I lose more hair in the shower now, but it's way less than when I wasn't detangling in the shower. I also have enough hair for 30 people, so I would probably notice it less than some people, but I honestly think I shed less. I think there are some scalps that react strangely to certain ingredients, I would experiment with different ones, and if you need to permanently say goodbye to CG, do it. It's all about what's best for you! Good luck girls!
    -3A, fine, very thick, normal por., normal elast., long, dye- free (CG since Nov. '11)
    -Low poo (As needed): CVS Argan Oil Renewing Shampoo
    -RO: GVP The Detangler
    -Styling: LALSG
    -PT: ION Effective Care (seldom)
    *I have learned that sometimes less is more when it comes to my hair*
    :love6:



  • mbeckhhpmbeckhhp Posts: 154Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Was suspecting same, f/ hard water, and only doing cowashing,someone on here(many) suggested edta, contained in a cheap coindish vo5 kiwi lime, boy did it get worse, getting thyroid treated by a nautorpath,still didnt help,was doing lo-poos, diluted w vinegar rinses ,still clogging drain.Switched back to Curl Junkies daily fix, and nutritionist added egg shell calcium for bone strength, I get tons in my diet,so wasnt taking extra.. Hair loss stopped in week and half. I take carefully selected other supplements, as I am sensitive to a lot of them.fish oil, every other day biotin, and magnesium,B-complex, D-3, and folate are also important..I am HHP @ wellness center.. and getting enough rest is huge.HTH
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]3a/2a/spirals ultraF-i/ii,med/hi porosity,med/elasticity,colortreated/grey
    • Cowash[/C.J. daily fix,, Condish Peter Lamas volumizing(rice protein) mixed w CJ smoothing,orGiovanni 50/50,or Eulasense balanced moisture. Leaveins,KCKT,KomazaCalifia,GDLIStylers:FSG,*, KCCC&BRHG, CJ CIAB.mixed w Pattern Pusha.FOTE on dry. SOTC :1 drop meadowfoam oil.DT:biolageCB or curl rehab over megatek,CJ repair me.
  • lucyprimroselucyprimrose Posts: 166Registered Users
    I have read that if the follicles on the scalp become blocked that can cause hair loss issues, the article where I read that suggested that rather than using shampoo, you could clean sufficiently with added friction (finger tips) rather than product. But, I don't think that would work for everyone. I think you should check with your doctor that is isn't something unrelated to CG, though sometimes it is hard to be sure of the cause. It is interesting that it didn't improve with SLS free shampoo, I would have thought they would clear the follicle if you avoid getting leave in products and conditioner on the scalp afterwards (probably means no plopping), but it may just take time with the lo-poos for the scalp to recover. I don't think trying a SLS shampoo, especially if it has other good ingredients, would be a disaster if you wanted to try that. You could even mix a bit of an SLS shampoo in with a lo-poo before applying. Hope you see some improvment, and try not to worry - it is important to check these things out but most likely you'll find a way that works for you and the phase will pass.
    UK based wavy :hello2:

    Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
    Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
    Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

    Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
    Trying out new things, still looking.
  • vikkivmavikkivma Posts: 14Registered Users
    A thought: is it possible that it seems like more hair is falling out because you've switched from daily showers to a less frequent routine? It could be that it's the same amount of hair, just spread out so it's less noticeable when it's weekly.
  • muhomuho Posts: 3Registered Users
    from what I know is a day of hair falls about 100-200.
    znakomita folia bąbelkowa | folia stretch do pakowania
  • belliawavybelliawavy Posts: 36Registered Users
    I also had the problem with my hair falling out and i went to my dermatologist and she said that at one point in a womens life her hair will fall out. And she said it was normal. She suggested that i take vitamins. I went and bought Natures bounty hair skin and nails and i take three a day my hair is not falling out anymore and it is growing faster. She also suggested to take prenatal vitamins. I told her i couldn't cause of the iron. I like the natures bounty. I have noticed a big difference in my hair.
    2c
    low porosity
    medium denisty
    coarse
  • may1787may1787 Posts: 113Registered Users
    I have the same amount of hair loss as you. When I comb my hair with my fingers in the shower or even when wet out of the shower I always get hair that I have to remove and throw away. Thats NORMAL. Your body will naturally lose 100-150 hairs a day. Your hair is simply ridding itself of the old 3-5 year old strands and replacing it with fresh, healthy strands. If it seems like more than that or you are getting bald patches then I would talk to a doctor. Sometimes when your body is stressed (i.e. you lose a lot of weight, suddenly change climates, start using all new products, etc) you will lose more than the typical amount, and that is normal too.
    No-'poo since 28 Apr 09!
    2c/3a, fine to medium texture, low to medium porosity, normal elasticity, medium density.

    Cleanse: Deva Lo-Poo or Kinky Curly Come Clean
    Condition: Kinky Curly Knot Today or Suave Naturals Coconut
    Stylers: KCCC, BRHG, Moroccan Dry-No-More oil, Mister Right

    NO: bad 'quats, 'cones, 'xanes, drying alcohols, sulfates, or petrochemicals.
  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    belliawavy wrote: »
    I also had the problem with my hair falling out and i went to my dermatologist and she said that at one point in a womens life her hair will fall out. And she said it was normal. She suggested that i take vitamins. I went and bought Natures bounty hair skin and nails and i take three a day my hair is not falling out anymore and it is growing faster. She also suggested to take prenatal vitamins. I told her i couldn't cause of the iron. I like the natures bounty. I have noticed a big difference in my hair.
    +1. I'm also taking the hair and skin vitamins, which definitely help.

    Although I also have a significant amount of shedding, I remind myself that a) it's normal and b) I was losing hair before going CG but didn't notice it as much because I wasn't combing in the shower.

    I'm also wondering about the hard water factor. We just put in a softener yesterday, so I'm hoping to see positive results within a few days (crossing fingers).
    When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi
    2c/3a, BSL, medium, low porosity
    Low-poo: Bobeam and CV poo bars; Acure Argan Oil & Stem Cell
    Conditioner: Acure Argan Oil & Stem Cell; Desert Essence Shea
    Stylers: Sweet Curls Elixir Curl Cream; SM CES
    PT: BASK Whiskey Soak
  • geckogecko Posts: 313Registered Users
    :drunken:
    m-c iii-ii | loose spirals with ringlets
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    m-c iii-ii | loose spirals with ringlets
  • craving_curlscraving_curls Posts: 44Registered Users
    When I first started CG, my hair was falling out like crazy. It turns out that I wasn't washing my scalp with enough with friction. It took some playing, but I finally figured out that you literally need to rub with your finger tips all over until your hands are sore. It just takes more time. I also noticed that it *appeared* as though I was losing more hair because I was more accustomed to it on the brush than in my hands. I have pretty thin hair to begin with, but I can see where my scalp is healthier and it's starting to grow in thicker. CG definitely isn't for everyone, so if it doesn't work, then go back to something that does. Best of luck! :lol:
    CG since 3/2012, Medium Density, Low Elasticity, Porosity (?)
    3a/m/ii

    Products loving my hair:
    Co-Wash/LI/RO: DC One Condition
    Gel: KCCC, BC Curl Enhancing Cream, DC AnGel

    Moisture loving, oil and protein hating (though it tolerates some in products).
  • friendlywavefriendlywave Posts: 1Registered Users
    So I thought I'd share. My experience was very similar to the original poster Jessicaaalovex, except that I started out with Suave. I agree with craving_curls that the problem was with scalp cleansing. At the time, I had yet to hear of sugar scrubs, and although I was spending more time on massaging my scalp when I co-washed it wasn't getting the job done.

    Another factor, I think, was that I was air-drying my hair. My hair initially was very thick, and sometimes I would put it in a braid or twist while still damp. Often it would still be damp when I took the braid/twist out at the end of the day.

    I noticed the shedding first, then the thinning. Definite thinning, that required an extra twist on my ponytail elastic. One thing that I really didn't pick up on at first was that if I scratched my scalp, I got "stuff" under my nails. It seemed like maybe un-shed skin cells with oil or conditioner? And I was scratching some - not a lot, and I didn't really notice at the time; I only realized it afterwards.

    Anyway, along with all the crazy stuff that is sold or recommended for hair loss on the internet, I found a suggestion to use a particular drugstore anti-fungal dandruff shampoo (Nizoral). I'd already tried some supplements, which didn't seem to be helping, and figured what could it hurt to try the shampoo?

    I was really surprised when it worked! It cleared up the "stuff" on my scalp, and my hair loss slowed dramatically. Maybe the damp environment and the skin cells that weren't scrubbed off provided a good environment for a fungus to grow?

    It may not be the solution for everyone but I hope my post may help someone.
  • KeihsKeihs Posts: 435Registered Users
    Maybe your overconditioning your hair. Did you try a protein treatment?
  • mamaherreramamaherrera Posts: 886Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    very very good thread. I like!1 I'm in this same situation, now using neutrogena tar and sal shampoos on some days, cuz I've got the itching, the stuff under the nails, the high shedding. I really want to do try the protein treatment, to see if that helps, but I'm scared because I've heard of people getting so much breakage if you don't really need protein. But if you only use conditioner on the length, can you still have high shedding come from over-conditioned hair, since you're not putting any extra-conditioning on the roots?
    2c
    Medium texture
    Normal porosity
    Normal elasticity
    can get weighed down with lots of oils
    Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
    Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
    Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
    Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
    Gel: Kiss my face gel
    DT:Jessicurl
    Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
    working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
  • pamelamorris110pamelamorris110 Posts: 1Registered Users
    you should try the LEIMO Personal Hair Laser system works by helping to inhibit the build-up of DHT that causes hair loss and then rejuvenates the scalp to facilitate hair regrowth in three easy steps.

    Leimo Hair Loss Treatment - 30 Day Trial Offer only valid in Australia and United Kingdom Residents only
  • GoldenBlazeGoldenBlaze Posts: 342Registered Users
    CG isn't for everyone. I took some of the suggestions and incorporated them in my routine but not all of them. I co-wash but I also still shampoo my hair and deep condition once a week. If my hair is falling out, I wouldn't keep doing it. Hair is like eating a piece of buffalo fish; chew the meat and spit the bones. Stay encouraged!
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    You said you were using Devacurl low-poo, I used that too for about a week - until my hair started acting so weird, first going really limp, then "flash-freezing" when I put the product in my hair - like I had just poured rubbing alcohol on it ;p then my hair started falling out in freaking *clumps*! Not cool!

    I have switched to a new and protein-free regimen, hair seems happier now - still a bit limp, but at least not coming out in clumps. I think Devacurl needs to do more research on their products. It is alarming to see your hair fall out like that!

    Anyways, CG is not for everyone - certainly did not work for me, though I really wish it did...oh well, back to the drawing board! lol :) good luck, and change products as soon as you can, I swear it is the Devacurl stuff doing your hair in ;p
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • EricachristinaEricachristina Posts: 496Registered Users
    I am noticing a lot more shedding when I detangle in the shower too. I just detangled in fact and had a small ball or so but because I am only co washing when I need to I only detangle every few days. It has been about 3 and a half days since I last detangled my hair, so all the loose hair gets trapped and if you are suppose to lose about 100 hairs a day that is about 300 or more hairs all at once from all the days I hadn’t detangled which can seem like a lot. I lose a lot less hair when I co wash day to day I seem to lose almost nothing if I detangle every day. So that could also be the reason you are seeing more.

    I use a sulphate free shampoo about once per week but I use one by Loreal which still gives me a good clean and lather.

    Also the length of your hair may also effect what you see; my hair is very long so it can seem like more hair than it actually is. I was worried for a while too but I have a lot of new growth about 5 inches in 8 months and I haven’t noticed that my hair is getting any thinner in fact my roots are thicker. I just don’t like seeing all that hair come out at one time!

    For some reason when I do oil treatments my hair gets into a huge tangles mess! But I try to be as gentile as I can.

    If you have any thin patches or bald spots then I would get it checked out.
    No one likes to see their hair come out, especially when you work so hard to make it look its best so it can be sad but try not to let it stress you out.
  • seamonsterseamonster Posts: 81Registered Users
    It didn't work for me either. My scalp gets build up, I was a greasy mess. Two months into it I couldn't take it any longer. I would shampoo daily if I had the time, my scalp loves shampoo. I will co wash, but as soon as I feel that build up I pull out the old shampoo.
  • pinksugarpinksugar Posts: 2,346Registered Users
    Deleted because I think I was wrong. I don't have any advice or solutions. :(
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