Frizz troubles :(

Redheaded GentlemanRedheaded Gentleman Posts: 8Registered Users
So I've grown my hair out for the last couple of years, and I like to think I've taken good care of it for the most part. One of the issues I've been struggling with forever is frizz, and the only way I've ever gotten this to go away is copious amounts of gel. I've attached some pics here for reference to my hair. I think I'm a mixture of 3b and 3c.

I've been reading the information on here, and it's quite a lot to process. I'm currently trying to makes sense of all the terminology and products. any help you could give would be much appreciated. I'm still going though a lot of the site content, so feel free to redirect me towards any useful info :).

Here's what I'm doing so far. I use the pantene curly shampoo and conditioner , only shampooing every few days or so, and only the the few inches of hair nearest to my head (a girl at the salon told me to do this). I also periodically use the L'Oreal re-nutrition hair mask as well. After I'm done washing my hair, I use a detangler, a little bit of conditioner, and some Moroccan oil. I've fiddled around with some hair creams as well, and the pantene one for curly hair gave the best results so far.


  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The first thing you might consider is, instead of using traditional shampoo that contains sulfates, try buying a $1-2 bottle of Suave conditioner (coconut is great, as is the one that is purple in color). What you will do is apply the conditioner to your scalp as if it were conditioner, to clean your scalp. Yes, conditioner does clean the scalp quite well, exfoliating dirt and debris. This method of cleansing scalp/hair is called COwashing.

    Your hair will automatically become more hydrated, which is what curls need most (moisture). It's the sodium laurel sulfates in most commercial shampoos that end up drying out your scalp/hair and causing frizz.

    Like you I'm 3b/c and cutting out the shampoo turned my hair from something more like yours into the pics you can see in my album (below).

    The other thing that made a huge difference was not washing/COwashing my hair as often. I used to wash every day or two. I realize now it's better to COwash it every 4 or 5 days ... sometimes even just once a week. Huge difference!
  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    I agree with the poster above - since I have incorporated co-washing into my routine my hair has had fewer tangles, much less frizz and stayed hydrated longer.

    The only other suggestion I can make is to switch from the morroccan oil you use (it is actually mostly silicone and fragrance, very little actual argan oil) to a light natural oil to seal the moisture in when you condition. Suggestions: sweet almond oil, apricot kernel oil, maybe jojoba (these are light, inexpensive and readily available). I don't know what periodically means for your deep conditioning mask, but you might try upping that to twice a month. You have quite a bit of growth there and it needs attention too, especially as it cools for the winter.

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  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    About oil: it is a sealant and has no conditioning properties in and of itself. So ...

    the best thing you can do right now is give yourself one last sulfate-shampoo to wash out (clarify) ALL the oil from your hair. Otherwise the oil forms a barrier to allowing optimal moisture in.

    Next, stop using all oils until you've been co-washing for a few weeks. That gives your hair a chance to build up hydration from just the co-wash and conditioner. It may turn out you only need the conditioner (no oil) after you stop using traditional shampoo. You can always add oil back into your routine after you've established how your hair reacts with just the co-washing and conditioner.

    One more thing: consider leaving some conditioner in your hair after your co-wash (rather than just washing it out). Just rake it through your hair with fingers (or comb through) and let it settle in and dry that way. Do not touch your hair as it dries as that creates frizz. ... If you find your hair looks too weighed down from the LI (LI means"leave in" conditioner), either use less conditioner for your LI, or don't do LI at all and just wash your conditioner out.
  • manemanmaneman Posts: 136Registered Users
    I'm a big proponent of co-washing so I second all that. I would also consider how you are applying product. Are you raking it in or smoothing? I would suggest smoothing (distributing product in your hand then smoothing in into a small section with closed palms from root to tip..think of it as a closed clap) an anti-frizz product onto small sections of hair after co-washing. I've heard that some folks have pretty good success with Garnier Fructis stuff (plus its reasonably priced). HTH!
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  • Redheaded GentlemanRedheaded Gentleman Posts: 8Registered Users
    Oh, and thanks for the complement Sagehen, and the advice all of you gave me. I can only hope my hair starts to looks as good as Korkscrew's :icon_smile:

    I'm going to try your suggestions regarding cowashing. It seems like I should be doing it every few day instead of every day like I was doing, with the occasional shampooing mixed in. I do leave a bit of conditioner in my hair normally after washing it, but I just rake it through normally. I'll try smoothing and see if it makes a difference.

    One problem I have with not washing my hair every day is that I find after sleeping that my hair turns into giant tangled mess and I need to get it wet and condition it a bit to get the kinks out. I've heard the pineapple thing with the hairband might help, but I have difficulty getting my hair up like that.

    I'm all up for trying some of the oils you mentioned, though I am a bit sad that the moraccan oil will go to waste. I just bought it on the recommendation of a girl at a salon, so it's a brand new bottle.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks for the compliment ;) Your hair will almost certainly look just great once you hydrate it more often and give up the sulfate shampoo.

    There is a fairly straight-forward way to pineapple. I have an obscene amount of hair and the way I do it is: hang your head upside down, then gently gather your hair into a single ponytail at the top of your head with one hand. With the other hand, place the ponytail in a scrunchy/cloth band.

    As you stand up straight, keep holding your ponytail, which will be pointing toward the sky in a dramatic, gravity defying way. Place ponytail on pillow and dose off for the night.

    You also might consider buying a silk pillowcase (polyester is a cheap type of silk), as it will reduce friction btw your hair and the case, resulting in less frizz. You can buy these for about $5 at many African hair product stores. My bf sleeps on one too because it just feels more comfortable than a cotton one.

    Hold on to your Moroccan oil. You can still see if it works. I'm just suggesting you try conditioner alone first for a while, to get an idea for how healthy/good your hair can look without the oil.
  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    You know, I feel the way you do about wating product. I would toss some of the morroccanoil (sp?) into your deep condish to use it up that way. Just eyeball an amount that will make it easier to spread the condish through your hair. But know it does not moisturize your hair. It can seal moisture in though, so with the weather turning cold (I am assuming you are in the northern hemisphere), I would put a couple drops in my hands and rub on the ends of your hair to keep them supple in the cold.
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  • tdoubled20tdoubled20 Posts: 7Registered Users
    use Potion 9 leave in conditioner. sally"s has tge geberic form of it too

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  • Mr.CurlyMr.Curly Posts: 9Registered Users
    For the most part 'korkscrew' is exactly right.I would recommend suave naturals to anyone,especially the coconut type conditioner.Only shampoo(shampoo kills your hairs' natural oils) your hair once a week,but that depends on how dirty you get during the day.Yes,in my opinion i think that pantene curly conditioners are the best in the world.Also,never...never use a hairdryer...ever!Let your hair air dry naturally.

    P.S.The most important thing about curly hair is what not to do to it.
    I've never seen another person with naturally similiar curly hair.As far as i know,i'm the only one.I use no product,other than shampoo and conditioner(both pantene).
  • Redheaded GentlemanRedheaded Gentleman Posts: 8Registered Users
    Been trying a few things you posted on here. I switched to a Garnier Fructis conditioner for the moment and it seems to be giving good results. I haven't used a mask on my hair in a while, so it's something I should probably start doing, but I pretty much cut out shampooing entirely, only having done it once in the last few weeks. I do find after a certain point my hair does feel a bit sticky/mucky, even with out using any particular products aside from the leave in. I may try the suave conditioner after I'm done with this one.

    As a side note, has anyone tried those pantene ampoul things? They come in sets of 5 and looks sort of like some sort of deep conditioner/mask product.

    Here's a few pics of my hair now. It's a bit misleading since it's still damp. It's also a lot straighter looking when I brush it, but that goes away when it dries.
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hey, sounds like a terrific start! A lot of this is intuition. You will probably figure out a great routine via some personal trial and error. We've merely given you some ideas to start you off.

    If your hair feels and looks healthier using a particular product OVER TIME, then it's probably for you. Some people can use Garnier products, and others find it's not such a great match. Same thing with any other product out there. What seems to be true is that MOST curlies suffer from using sulfate shampoos too often. But when your hair starts to feel "icky" to you from cowashing, it could be time to crack open the sulfate shampoo and use it once to get rid of build up. What's also usually - but not always - true is certain "cones" create a barrier against moisture.

    The reason Suave Naturals and Tresemme Naturals brand conditioners are often tolerated is because they generally don't contain cones (or sulfates). It's true that Suave Coconut tends to be a favorite, but if you're protein-sensitive it might not be. Also, some ppl don't like the smell. There is no one-size-fits-all curly product.

    In terms of using heat, again that depends. Many curlies get away with using blow dryers, provided the current of air is slowed by a diffuser and the temp isn't too hot. Many of us don't suffer from heat damage from it provided we don't overdo it. I've been drying my hair with heat for decades with absolutely no problem. So again, you need to experiment for yourself. It'd be great to see you post pics of your hair when it's totally dry too :sunny:

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