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Missing baby Lisa

SpiderSpider Posts: 3,380Registered Users
You hope the parents have nothing to do with the 10 month old's disappearance, but they are usually the first to be investigated. I just don't see the motive unless they were in some trouble with the wrong people. The dad is a bit odd in interviews, just stares straight ahead, but it could be exhaustion.

I hope the baby is found safely and soon.

Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Upset With Police Tough Tactics - ABC News
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  • cailincailin Posts: 899Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I feel bad saying it, but I thought the same thing about the Dad. I saw an interview and he just repeated the story of how he found the baby missing. No emotion, nothing. But then I thought that maybe I watch too much Criminal Minds and he's just exhausted from saying the same thing over and over.

    That baby is just the sweetest looking little munchkin. I hope they find her soon.
  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,938Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    That's so sad.

    I understand the first thing they do is rule out the parents but good grief, at some point MOVE ON. If it wasn't the parents, you can't MAKE it have been them, even if you get them to confess. I think police do sometimes get too consumed with getting someone, anyone, and lose sight of the fact that if it's the wrong person, then they've accomplished nothing. I would think that if the parents "went from cooperating to not cooperating" it's because they know they didn't take their baby and they want the police to stop assing around and find the person who did. Every minute that goes by, the chances of finding that baby go down. As the parent of a missing child, that must drive you insane to know that they're hung up on you, YOU know you didn't do it, and what is happening to your child with the police are busy not looking for the person who took your baby.

    I'm certainly not an expert or anything, but these parents don't send up any alarms with me and I am the most suspicious person in the world.

    Several years ago the same thing happened with a couple in Florida (baby Sabrina) and the police said they had tapes of the two of them talking about doing coke and killing the baby. When they later released the tapes, there was nothing. Occasional sobs, no talking. They decided it was the parents. They neglected to tell the rest to mention that several other homes in their neighbor hood, all with infants, had been broken into in the past few weeks. When the police decide it's you, it's YOU. Ask the Ramseys.

    I don't think all cops are bad, I have a great amount of respect for what they do. I think there are probably some jerks who just want to be right, but there are probably also a lot of good people who want to find out what happened to this baby and statistics and experience point to it most often being the parents.

    Whatever happens, I do hope this baby is ok. It's so sad. I can't stop thinking about it. If it was the one night the dad worked late and the mom left the door unlocked (for him, I assume) my guess is that it's someone who knows them (I'm not a cop or doctor, I just play one on the interwebz).
  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,938Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    About the dad, I would not be surprised if he's sedated somewhat or holding it together for the mom. She's a mess and who wouldn't be, but only one of you can crack up at a time. If he's holding up for her, then good for him. That has to be tough.
  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yeah when I saw his interview the first thing I suspected was that he was sedated. He just seemed very drained and going through the motions.


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  • SpiderSpider Posts: 3,380Registered Users
    It makes sense to focus on the family first, especially for a claim of middle of the night intruder that didn't take anything besides cellphones ( which is dumb ).

    I think the more there are cases like Susan Smith (who claimed a black man car jacked her car and drove off with the boys in it) or Casey Anthony, who let the cops spend months and lots of $$ searching for Caylee, the more they are likley, without good strong leads/evidence to try to "crack" the family.
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  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    Spider wrote: »
    You hope the parents have nothing to do with the 10 month old's disappearance, but they are usually the first to be investigated. I just don't see the motive unless they were in some trouble with the wrong people. The dad is a bit odd in interviews, just stares straight ahead, but it could be exhaustion.

    I hope the baby is found safely and soon.

    Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Upset With Police Tough Tactics - ABC News

    Is he the biological father? I'm only asking because I heard the reporter say the man was the mother's fiance.
  • SpiderSpider Posts: 3,380Registered Users
    medussa wrote: »
    Spider wrote: »
    You hope the parents have nothing to do with the 10 month old's disappearance, but they are usually the first to be investigated. I just don't see the motive unless they were in some trouble with the wrong people. The dad is a bit odd in interviews, just stares straight ahead, but it could be exhaustion.

    I hope the baby is found safely and soon.

    Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Upset With Police Tough Tactics - ABC News

    Is he the biological father? I'm only asking because I heard the reporter say the man was the mother's fiance.


    Hmm I thought it was, just that they weren't married.
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  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    Spider wrote: »
    medussa wrote: »
    Spider wrote: »
    You hope the parents have nothing to do with the 10 month old's disappearance, but they are usually the first to be investigated. I just don't see the motive unless they were in some trouble with the wrong people. The dad is a bit odd in interviews, just stares straight ahead, but it could be exhaustion.

    I hope the baby is found safely and soon.

    Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Upset With Police Tough Tactics - ABC News

    Is he the biological father? I'm only asking because I heard the reporter say the man was the mother's fiance.


    Hmm I thought it was, just that they weren't married.

    Yeah, it's just an odd thing to mention. Lots of people have children without being married. What does him being the mother's fiance have to with anything?
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,742Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Their story is fishy! I think they did it. Who steals a baby and cell phones but nothing else? Who leaves all their cell phones home to begin with?
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  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    Their story is fishy! I think they did it. Who steals a baby and cell phones but nothing else? Who leaves all their cell phones home to begin with?

    Well then that's some performance the mom gave because she had me all choked up.

    I have no idea what to think. :(
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    Susan Smith seemed pretty convincing at first too. I dunno.
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  • SpiderSpider Posts: 3,380Registered Users
    xcptnl wrote: »
    Susan Smith seemed pretty convincing at first too. I dunno.

    I didn't believe her at all. Her tears seamed force and whiney


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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    Spider wrote: »
    xcptnl wrote: »
    Susan Smith seemed pretty convincing at first too. I dunno.

    I didn't believe her at all. Her tears seamed force and whiney


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    I really do not recall what I thought but a lot of the time in these cases it ends up being someone close to the children.
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  • CGECGE Posts: 1,911Registered Users
    The whole thing is horrifying. I haven't lived in KC for awhile, but it still feels too close to home.

    Wasn't it Polly Klaas's dad that said it didn't matter what the police did, he would cooperate? He agreed to every test, interview, etc. that the police wanted because he knew he had nothing to hide. He just wanted to find his little girl. Him saying that is what stuck with me when I see these stories.

    I can't even begin to imagine what it feels like to have a child stolen from your house, so I won't judge how they have acted on TV, news, etc. Everyone deals differently. But I just cannot fathom telling the police I didn't want to answer anymore questions.
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  • lcl0706lcl0706 Posts: 959Registered Users
    This whole mess hits close to home for me too, as I grew up within 5 miles of the house the baby disappeared from.

    I really would like to believe the mother had nothing to do with it, but my skeptical side smells a fish rotting somewhere. NO evidence? NO leads? NOBODY knows ANYTHING? People don't just vanish without a trace. The mother might have failed a polygraph, but polygraphs are highly subjective and it could be the police told her she failed, trying to force a confession and "solve" an otherwise dead end case. Or she could have accidentally killed her and be hiding it out of fear. The body is pretty well hidden, if that's the case.

    Part of investigating a crime like this is realizing a normal, sane person would not commit it. So you have to accept that the motive is neither normal or sane. Debating motives at this point is kind of irrelevant. Random, unrelated break ins and abductions are so rare. I don't see a stranger burglar, in an attempt to rob the house, going in and happening across a baby and deciding to take it instead. The cell phone thing is weird, but it's possible the mother's explanation holds water. Some people don't sleep with their phones - the kidnapper could've taken them to delay the parents from calling 911.

    However, I remember when my children were infants. I had a baby monitor and if they so much as coughed, I was instantly awake. This little one had a cold with a cough - I can't imagine the mother was sleeping so soundly that she totally missed someone walking in and walking out with the child. I've considered the possibility that she accidentally OD'd the kid on cold medicine and is now trying to cover it up. I really don't want to believe that, but there is something someone knows that we aren't being told. People who kidnap babies don't live in underground storm shelters, isolated from the outside world. Someone is eventually going to notice and go "hey, where'd you get that baby from?" That there are no real leads or confirmed sightings by this point is not a good sign.

    I believe at this point, the child is dead. It's the police's job to keep certain details and information under wraps, because if it's not the parents, they don't want to give away how close they are to finding the abductor, should they have good information pointing to who it is. I don't blame the parents for not wanting to talk much more and implicate themselves, which is easy to do under the kind of stress and pressure I'm sure they are being subjected to. However, as of the 5 o clock news, they had yet to hire a lawyer. They need one, ASAP. I would not be surprised if one or both of them is involved.
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  • murrrcatmurrrcat Posts: 9,596Registered Users
    maybe whoever took baby lisa took the cell phones too, so that the parents wouldn't be able to call 911, giving the kidnapper more time to get away.
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  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,938Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Spider wrote: »
    xcptnl wrote: »
    Susan Smith seemed pretty convincing at first too. I dunno.

    I didn't believe her at all. Her tears seamed force and whiney


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    At the time, he body language was weird. As she was speaking and crying, she kept her eyes closed and when she was talking and 'crying' she kept using a lot of filler words like she was trying to figure out what a grieving person would say. She just reeked of FAKE.
  • roseannadanaroseannadana Posts: 5,632Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    CGNYC wrote: »
    Spider wrote: »
    xcptnl wrote: »
    Susan Smith seemed pretty convincing at first too. I dunno.

    I didn't believe her at all. Her tears seamed force and whiney


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    At the time, he body language was weird. As she was speaking and crying, she kept her eyes closed and when she was talking and 'crying' she kept using a lot of filler words like she was trying to figure out what a grieving person would say. She just reeked of FAKE.

    I remember that she seemed to be squeezing her eyes shut to make tears that never came. Her body language didn't marry with the emotion and sadness she was trying to convey.

    I haven't seen the video of the Lisa Irwin's parents statement but I do hope they find the answer soon.

    Also still think of little Kyron Horman and Trenton Duckett very often. :(

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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    People who take babies can and do disappear. There was a case a few months ago where a baby was taken from the hospital in NYC about 20 years ago...and the girl herself put two and two together. The lady that took her, just showed up out the blue with a baby that was a few months old...and obviously it never raised any eyebrows. She enrolled this kid in school and everything without a birth certificate or social security card. It happens more than people want to think.


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  • curlykristxcurlykristx Posts: 445Registered Users
    There are more missing children than anyone can know,and its amazing how many times it truly is just like poof the child vanishes with no clues. That is any loving mothers worst nightmare,and I cant even imagine what I would say or how I would act. Some women may be hysterical or some almost in a coma like state of shock. Police are human and make errors that in missing children cases could mean life or death. They should be looking at any and all leads in any case and I hope this little girl and the other missing children/teens/ppl out there find their way home. Often the not knowing is the biggest form of torture possible.
  • munchkinmunchkin Posts: 2,909Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    This could mean nothing but I read yesterday that the mother did not pass the lie detector test. The father has an alibi - he was at work and coworkers have backed this up. I hope if the mother isn't guilty the police don't ruin her life. On the other hand, if she is guilty, I hope they determine what happened.
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  • missbanjomissbanjo Posts: 3,088Registered Users
    I'm not sure the mother is guilty but there is something off. I'm wondering about the 2 sons, one is 8, don't know about the other. It wouldn't be the first time an accident happened and got covered up.
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  • justajesuschickjustajesuschick Posts: 1,657Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I live in Kansas City so needless to say this has been in the forefront here. Started with an Amber alert on the road signs we saw on the way to work that morning.

    Sure hope that she is found and that whoever is responsible for her disappearance-or worse is quickly identified or discovered. They really seem to have nothing much to go on.
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  • CanItBeChristineCanItBeChristine Posts: 6,343Registered Users
    I was following the Kyron Horman story until there just wasn't anything to follow anymore :(

    I really hope in these cases, that if the child was abducted, they were "sold" to somebody that really wanted a child or something and will at least be taken care of and not hurt. Sounds weird, but if that's the alternative to finding the poor child's body somewhere :(
  • justajesuschickjustajesuschick Posts: 1,657Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Our local news indicated a half our ago or so that police will be giving an update at or near 6:00 (we are central time). The first time they made mention it sounded as if police had something specific to update and were announcing the time they would do so. Now that I heard it again, it sounded as if they (local news station) have gotten police to agree to speak with them so I am unsure which it is.

    I will update what they say.
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    They broke in just to say that the parents have "come back to join police at the table". The captain is very pleased and believes that will help in the investigation. A meeting in an undisclosed location is planned.

    Multiple police cars and CSI van have arrived on the scene. Several officers are going over the front yard with metal detectors.

    None of the 200 tips, including those involving possible sightings of Lisa, have been helpful/successful.

    Sadly, it really still sounds as if they have zero leads.
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  • SpiderSpider Posts: 3,380Registered Users
    munchkin wrote: »
    This could mean nothing but I read yesterday that the mother did not pass the lie detector test. The father has an alibi - he was at work and coworkers have backed this up. I hope if the mother isn't guilty the police don't ruin her life. On the other hand, if she is guilty, I hope they determine what happened.

    Something could have happened prior to the dad's shift, but they went on to pretend everything was normal until they could try the middle of the night intruder ruse.


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  • munchkinmunchkin Posts: 2,909Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Spider wrote: »
    munchkin wrote: »
    This could mean nothing but I read yesterday that the mother did not pass the lie detector test. The father has an alibi - he was at work and coworkers have backed this up. I hope if the mother isn't guilty the police don't ruin her life. On the other hand, if she is guilty, I hope they determine what happened.

    Something could have happened prior to the dad's shift, but they went on to pretend everything was normal until they could try the middle of the night intruder ruse.


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    I thought that too though for some reason (at least at that time) they seemed to be ruling the father out.
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  • curlykristxcurlykristx Posts: 445Registered Users
    Any news ?
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    Very strange case, indeed...:sad1:
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