Keratin - I want it out!

I'm new to this site and forum, but I've found some great info on here and was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the quickest way to remove Keratin from my hair. I had the treatment done at the end of July (almost October!) and I know they said it lasts 3 months so I have another one to go but I wondered if there was a faster way to remove it. I've read sulfate shampoo helps. I used to use Herbal Essences before switching to Pureology. Would reverting back to HE help? I miss my curls!! Thanks! :)
3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!

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  • ghoulieghoulie Posts: 5Registered Users
    I feel you pain!
    I had been trying for over a year to remove my keratin! So much for it lasting 3 months!
    I just got fed up and cut off about 6 inches of straight ends! I tried washing with sulfate shampoos and even mixed shampoo with sea salt (I heard this helped) but for me,all it did was frizz the curl I did have at the roots!
    Sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear but for me, I ended up cutting it off. But try the sea salt with sulfate shampoo, maybe it will work for you.
    Good luck! And ps. Doesn't straight hair get boring!? I missed my curls too! After years of hating them, I felt strange without them!
  • harmonydharmonyd Posts: 8Registered Users
    sorry to say but my response is exactly the same as the one before. I wash regularly with stripping shampoos and sulfate shampoos. I tried the sea salt method, even leaving it on my hair for 20 minutes at a time. It seems that keratin is there til it grows out.
  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    Thanks for your responses - that's exactly what I was afraid of. I wondered if the whole "it lasts 3 months" thing was because they want you to go back there and pay again to have it done. I tried curling it last night and only the underneath hairs really curled. I'm so bummed!!! Yes - straight hair really does get super boring after a while! I've been trying to grow my hair out for eons so it looks like I'll either continue doing that and gradually trim off the straight/dead ends or suck it up and cut it off. UGH!
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I've had the Coppola Keratin treatment done 3 times and the Brazilian Blowout once.

    I guess I'm in the minority. Mine always seems to wash out within 2 months. The Brazilian Blowout is lasting a little longer. I really like mine straight during the hot, humid summer months.

    Not only using sulfates, but I think that using shampoo with sodium chloride helps to get rid of it quicker. Also, wash your hair everyday.

    Another tip - when I first get the treatment, my hair tends to be poker straight. If I want it to look a little wavier, I apply a gel to my hair (or Garnier Fructis Wonder Waves Spray), scrunch it, and then let it airdry, or dry it with a diffuser. I got a little more wave like that.

    Don't cut it!! It will grow out. Good luck. :)
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
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  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    Thanks anniemae! Maybe there's some hope after all? I don't think I can bare to cut anything off right now anyway, because it feels like it's taken eons just to grow my hair to my collar bone. I'll try washing it everyday (hadn't thought of doing that) and attempt using sea salt. How do you do that anyway? Does it dry your hair out? Worse comes to worse I'll have to be patient and just let it grow. Thank you! :)
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Jazzerhay wrote: »
    Thanks anniemae! Maybe there's some hope after all? I don't think I can bare to cut anything off right now anyway, because it feels like it's taken eons just to grow my hair to my collar bone. I'll try washing it everyday (hadn't thought of doing that) and attempt using sea salt. How do you do that anyway? Does it dry your hair out? Worse comes to worse I'll have to be patient and just let it grow. Thank you! :)

    Jazzerhay,
    I've never actually put sea salt in my hair, so I don't know if it dries your hair out. I've only used shampoos containing sodium chloride (which is salt). I've never had a problem with it drying out my hair.

    Just be patient. Enjoy your straight hair because it will grow out. :)
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    I'm working on the patience thing...unfortunately I don't have much of it. :) For now it looks like a mess if I don't blow dry or flat iron it straight. You can see the curly hair growing out and I imagine I'll have to wait until it's all grown out to ever really see my curls again. Thank you once more for your help!
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I got my Brazilian Blowout at the end of June, so it's now 3 months. My hair is still straight-ish with some wave coming back. I blow dry it everyday, and it still looks pretty much frizz-free. It just started getting colder here, so I'm hoping that it still looks straight without having to flat-iron it throughout most of the winter.

    I think your hair-type is a little curlier than mine. If you have to blowdry it, that's okay. Do you live where it's getting chillier out? Hopefully, your hair will look better as it gets colder - while you're waiting.
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    I'm in NC and it's definitely started cooling down here so that helps with the frizzies for sure. I was hoping to lay off the blow drying and flat ironing for a while so that I could give my hair a break, but without any curl it just looks blah unless I blow dry and flat iron it. I think I'm just going to leave it completely alone for a while - no hair cuts, etc. I wanted to grow my bangs out eons ago and the hair stylist kept trying to give me these side swept bangs and my hair just won't go that way. Now they're short again and driving me up the wall so it's all just a waiting game for a while. :) Do you have any pictures of your hair?
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Here are some pictures of my hair from last summer 2010 - some straight and some curly. My hair is just a little bit longer now.

    http://members.fotki.com/anniemae22

    Let me know if you can see them. :)
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    Yes I was able to see them, thank you! Your hair looks good both straight and curly. I love the tiny ringlets you had in one of those pics. The 2010 ones from summer - did you have the Keratin treatment or Brazilian Blowout done to get it that straight?
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks for your nice words, Jazzerhay. I tend to like my hair straight in the summer and wavier/curlier in the winter.

    In those pictures, I had the Keratin Coppola treatment (the summer of 2010). My hair was very straight. But, believe it or not, the BB I had in the summer of 2011 made my hair even straighter!! I don't have any pictures of the BB.

    Both treatments are really good. :)
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • Joyce M.Joyce M. Posts: 4Registered Users
    I think it must depend on the type of hair you have...mine is naturally very frizzy/curly and baby fine strands...I had the coppola treatment done about 8 months ago, as I was told it would just eliminate the frizz, and last about 3-4 months...It NEVER eliminated the frizz, NEVER, and my hair is so dry and gets so tangled when I wash it, it is SCARY!!!! It is NOT wearing out...I have stopped coloring, flat ironing, or anything but light blow drying, I condition it every time I wash it (NO DEEP CONDITIONERS/PROTEIN), and put oil (Jojoba and/or avocado) on it everywhere but the scalp, and it is still HORRIBLE!!!! For me, I believe it will NEVER grow out, but has to be either cut off (NOT an option for me, as it is too curly/frizzy, and will be out of control if short) or grow out, so I am stuck with no coloring, no flat ironing, no protein OF ANY KIND, no processing of any kind for YEARS!!!! HATE THIS KERATIN STUFF, AND WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN!!!!! Good luck; I hope yours will eventually wear out, but it might not...very unfortunate!
  • TriMixDivaTriMixDiva Posts: 255Registered Users
    Ditto. Mines only slightly wears off but its still there :( I am going to analyze my hair over the next 2 days, my days off, and see how much I would have to cut off, or start transitioning. Grr I can't have my cake and eat it too.
    TYPE: 3C
    Current State: Just bc'd but still growing out heat damage in the front that goes to the root
    High Density, Medium Porosity
    Length: Grazing SL curly with tons of layers
    Goal: MBL curly? 2019?
    Doing what I want when I want!
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    My theory is that it isn't "there to stay," per se, but that the hair is damaged by the intensely high heat of the iron in what a process known as "heat training" usually does to hair over time, with or without keratin. I doubt seriously that keratin is "infused" into the shaft, but is more likely fused temporarily to the outside of the hair shaft and does wash out over time, but, based on your hair texture (fine vs coarse and everything between), the degree of straightening can be permanent--those with fine hair seeing the more permanent result, and the coarser your hair shaft, the less permanent the straightening because there's less damage to the hair shaft so it reverts to its natural state. My hair is nowhere near silky smooth when it's time to do a touch-up as it is immediately after a touch-up, indicating that it indeed has washed out or flaked off or whatever.

    That's my slightly educated guess, having been BKTing for over 2 years and knowing a bit about chemistry and hair anatomy.
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  • acarricoacarrico Posts: 60Registered Users
    It's been over a year since I had my 2nd BB and you guessed it - it isn't coming out. I have started cutting it off. Same EXACT place I was with a relaxer. And the things that really makes me made is that the company BB will not return any messages when I ask about this issue. I haven't had one done in a year and 3 months -- I have washed with sea salt many, many times; I have used sulphate shampoos; I have even washed with Dawn dishwashing liquid. Not really any change. It's either BC or waiting for it to grow out. I am pretty disappointed!! But that's what I get for fighting my curls - I guess I deserve it.
  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    acarrico wrote: »
    It's been over a year since I had my 2nd BB and you guessed it - it isn't coming out. I have started cutting it off. Same EXACT place I was with a relaxer. And the things that really makes me made is that the company BB will not return any messages when I ask about this issue. I haven't had one done in a year and 3 months -- I have washed with sea salt many, many times; I have used sulphate shampoos; I have even washed with Dawn dishwashing liquid. Not really any change. It's either BC or waiting for it to grow out. I am pretty disappointed!! But that's what I get for fighting my curls - I guess I deserve it.

    That's kind of how I feel - I deserve this for fighting off what I should've been thankful for. What does BC stand for? My hair has grown a couple of inches since I had it done last July and I'm contemplating getting it chopped off. On the other hand, I've been waiting for it to grow long forever.
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • acarricoacarrico Posts: 60Registered Users
    Jazzerhay - BC = Big Chop - chopping off the treated part. For me, my hair would only be a few inches long and I don't think I am ready for that!!! We are in exactly the same boat. Well, at least we know we are not alone! Just got my bottles of Kinky Curly Knot Today conditioner and curling custard. Will be trying them out tomorrow in my ever lasting battle with frizz. ha ha ha
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    acarrico wrote: »
    It's been over a year since I had my 2nd BB and you guessed it - it isn't coming out. I have started cutting it off. Same EXACT place I was with a relaxer. And the things that really makes me made is that the company BB will not return any messages when I ask about this issue. I haven't had one done in a year and 3 months -- I have washed with sea salt many, many times; I have used sulphate shampoos; I have even washed with Dawn dishwashing liquid. Not really any change. It's either BC or waiting for it to grow out. I am pretty disappointed!! But that's what I get for fighting my curls - I guess I deserve it.

    If you read my post above, it may make more sense to you. It doesn't change what has happened to your hair, but, well, maybe it provides some closure. The keratin solution does eventually "come out," but the solution, combined with the intense heat of the flat iron, takes some or all of your curl with it--permanently; and all the washing in the world isn't going to change that, unless you started with healthy, coarse-textured hair.

    I had tight, resistant 3c/4a curls and baby fine hair, and it barely took any of the curl out at first. But subsequent, almost back-to-back applications loosened the curl to where I wanted it, and I haven't had to reapply to that part of my hair in nearly 2 years. But, I'm fine with loose curls--it's what I've always wanted. Now every 5-6 weeks, I just do my new growth roots plus about 1" of the previously BKTed hair, and it gives me just the level of relaxation I want.
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  • acarricoacarrico Posts: 60Registered Users
    Honeycurls, what you say makes COMPLETE sense. More sense than my washing and washing!! ha ha ha. I probably damaged with my constant flat ironing (every day!!!). I thought about doing what you do -- doing only certain parts - but I wasn't sure it would work. Do you do it yourself? How do you get consistant results? I hate dealing with roots - especially since I color too. So I am going to try to deal with my natural hair. I just tried (this morning) kinky curly knot today and curling custard. My first day is going pretty well. Yay!!! Wish me luck! And thanks for the info. Really helpful.
  • acarricoacarrico Posts: 60Registered Users
    Honeycurls wrote: »

    If you read my post above, it may make more sense to you. It doesn't change what has happened to your hair, but, well, maybe it provides some closure. The keratin solution does eventually "come out," but the solution, combined with the intense heat of the flat iron, takes some or all of your curl with it--permanently; and all the washing in the world isn't going to change that, unless you started with healthy, coarse-textured hair.

    I had tight, resistant 3c/4a curls and baby fine hair, and it barely took any of the curl out at first. But subsequent, almost back-to-back applications loosened the curl to where I wanted it, and I haven't had to reapply to that part of my hair in nearly 2 years. But, I'm fine with loose curls--it's what I've always wanted. Now every 5-6 weeks, I just do my new growth roots plus about 1" of the previously BKTed hair, and it gives me just the level of relaxation I want.

    What you say makes COMPLETE sense! More sense than my washing, washing, washing. So time to start over. Done it before. I thought about continuing the Keratin but only treating the untreated parts as you say. Do you do it yourself? How do you get consistant results? I hate dealing with roots because I color too. Ah the joys of womanhood. On the other hand, I tried Kinky Curly Knot Today and Curling Custard this morning. So far, so good. I like it. Thanks for your info - it is really helpful!
  • JazzerhayJazzerhay Posts: 10Registered Users
    Honeycurls - thanks for the clarification/closure. I definitely think because my hair is so thin and fine that it permanently "locked" out some of the curl and that only the new hair growing it is the curly stuff. It's so weird and random because the underneath hairs immediately curl after I get out of the shower, along with some hair at the roots, and then there are these random pieces that are just stick straight and basically limp. I know hair is already dead once it grows out from the roots, but those strands really do look dead! :)

    Acarrico - thank you for reminding me what BC means! How did your Kinky Curly Knot stuff work out? PS - I'm with you on the "big chop." I think in order for me to truly start over I'd have to shave my head and somehow I'm not quite ready for that either! :)
    3a curls - trying to get them back after one keratin treatment!
  • acarricoacarrico Posts: 60Registered Users
    Jazzerhay wrote: »

    Acarrico - thank you for reminding me what BC means! How did your Kinky Curly Knot stuff work out? PS - I'm with you on the "big chop." I think in order for me to truly start over I'd have to shave my head and somehow I'm not quite ready for that either! :)

    I am liking it. I am only on day 3 - and I took the lazy way out this morning and put it up. It feels a bit odd when I put the products on (a bit rubbery or rough feeling) BUT it dries nice. I am amazed at the control that I get considering that it is made of "natural" ingrediants. I plan to continue to use it. I got a compliment at work yesterday. I hope that, over time, it will continue to work for me. I recommend trying it out. The nice thing is that you can get it a Target!! Yeee haaah. Curl Keeper is a really nice product too BUT I can't get it locally. I have to pay shipping & handling. That is why I tried KC.
  • ilik3pieilik3pie Posts: 1Registered Users
    I got 2 keratin treatment (it made my hair straighter and lighter color) 2 years ago and wash my hair every 2 weeks along with deep condition and its starting to come out, my roots are curly (I'm 3c) but the majority of my hair shaft is straight. I go to the salon and she uses all argan oil products and now using masks for my suuuper dry scalp and I now noticed how half my hair is curly and half straight and she's told me the fast way is to cut it but if I do my hair would be uneven and so short! I'm using Shea moisture thick curly hair now and I'm not sure to use sea salt and sulfate shampoos now. Its really bumming me out because of 8 years of blow drying and flat ironing its loosen my pattern and now its worst with this keratin. I wanna start wearing my hair natural but it looks messy with this keratin treatment!!!!! :-\
  • Danielle.KarDanielle.Kar Posts: 1Registered Users
    I had my first kertain treatment done in May of 2015. It has been nearly two years and I CAN'T get rid of it! My hair was naturally SO curly and I miss my curls so much. I've tried doing research, but this is the first forum I have found that has ANY kind of advice. Most just seem to praise keratin treatments and suggest having them done again and again, which is the OPPOSITE of what I want. I'm so frustrated that I ever even tried the keratin treatment. But figures, we're never happy with what we have, right?

    My hairdresser hasn't been much help, just constantly saying "I've never seen it last this long... oh well." kind of thing. I'm so frustrated and I don't want to cut my hair.
  • RosealetaRosealeta Posts: 1Registered Users
    I had my first kertain treatment done in May of 2015. It has been nearly two years and I CAN'T get rid of it! My hair was naturally SO curly and I miss my curls so much. I've tried doing research, but this is the first forum I have found that has ANY kind of advice. Most just seem to praise keratin treatments and suggest having them done again and again, which is the OPPOSITE of what I want. I'm so frustrated that I ever even tried the keratin treatment. But figures, we're never happy with what we have, right?

    My hairdresser hasn't been much help, just constantly saying "I've never seen it last this long... oh well." kind of thing. I'm so frustrated and I don't want to cut my hair.

    same here. My hair was WAY curlier prior to the treatment (between 3B/3C type curl) which was done beginning of 2012 and it's now almost mid 2017 with no luck of getting my natural kinky hair back. and when I was getting my keratin done i was just under the impression my hair would still be just as curly just with out frizz so I wouldn't need to wet my hair every time to do it and use so much mousse!! I used to rarely use heat on my hair before the Treamtmenf but since it doesn't have that tight pretty curl it bothers me which ended up causing me to use heat often for when I'd go to work , rather it fixing the curls with a wand or flat ironing it. To now using a diffuser also which I used to Never have to do. I miss letting my hair air dry naturally... I complained about mousse.... now it takes hours to do my hair. Bad mistake. Definitely realized mom was always right when it came to my curls :(
    I feel like I've tried everything possible, aside from shaving my head. But I'm scared if it does come back my true natural hair then it will look terrible when it's superrr short.
    #extremelyoverit
  • esilowesilow Posts: 1Registered Users
    So sorry to hear that everyone is having so many curl issues re: keratin..

    I had 2 treatments, last summer was my most recent Keratin treatment and it definitely changed the texture of my hair for sure.. but for those saying that their hair is permanently damaged by keratin, I have to ask...is your hair growing? Whatever is coming in from the roots is completely unaffected by the Keratin..its new hair growth and has never been touched by the chemical. If over 5 years you still have hair that has keratin in it, i'd say get a serious hair cut. If your hair growing in from the root is a different texture than it once was, that has nothing to do with the Keratin treatment and your curl pattern and texture has simply changed over time, due to hormones, age, life, etc.

    Hope it is helpful to understand regrowth and lines of demarcation on the hair from straightening treatments!

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