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"Sticky" Hair = High Porosity

GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
According to the recent NC article about porosity, your hair is highly porous if it feels sticky. Unless I use a lot of styling product, my hair strands don't feel sticky.

If you have highly porous hair, is one of the symptoms "sticky" hair?
Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
This list is not exhaustive...:happy3:
CoWash: various
DT: various

Leave-in
: CR L/I Collection, various
Stylers:MC Leave-in, Gorilla Snot
Spritz/Sealant:Nu-Gro spray w/moisturizer
*experimenting and loving it!

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  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    My hair was highly porous (better now), but I'd never call it sticky.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • jmtruittjmtruitt Posts: 4Registered Users
    When I first saw the title of this post I thought "Yes!" but after reading the definition, I'm not so sure. My hair doesn't feel product-y after I wash (whether shampoo or co-wash), but when I detangle, no matter how careful I am, sometimes I can feel/hear my ends separating in a way that's distinctly different from when I rip through a tangle. So to me, that's sticky.

    I'm glad you brought this up because I could not find info on this particular type of stickiness.
    Hair Type: 4a/b
    Porosity: High
    Density: Thick

    No HGs but Giovanni 50/50 conditioner and any sulfate-free shampoo are are working so far.
  • demsdatademsdata Posts: 120Registered Users
    Hmm...well it's not sticky from products or anything. However, if I do not deliberately close my cuticles, my finger will "catch" if I run it down a strand of my hair. Is that kind of like "sticky"?
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  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users
    jmtruitt wrote: »
    ...when I detangle, no matter how careful I am, sometimes I can feel/hear my ends separating in a way that's distinctly different from when I rip through a tangle. So to me, that's sticky.

    +1
    4a/b Texlaxed hair w/ highlights. Medium texture & high porosity.

    HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

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  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    I don't know what to say about mine. It's kinda 'sticky' but when its wet it kinda feels sticky like its hard to get off my hands but its kinda like a noodle, its stretchy

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  • itsKelCeeEeeitsKelCeeEee Posts: 1,084Registered Users
    Noooo, that sounds...not right. Well at least not for me. My hair doesn't feel sticky. It doesn't even sound different when I'm detangling like someone else up here said. I don't know. :-(
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    SL - APL - BSB - BSL - MBL - WL - HL
  • naturalgirl85naturalgirl85 Posts: 53Registered Users
    curlybran wrote: »
    I don't know what to say about mine. It's kinda 'sticky' but when its wet it kinda feels sticky like its hard to get off my hands but its kinda like a noodle, its stretchy

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    I know what you mean with the sticky...My strand tend to get all matted together as if they are stuck together after I shampoo wash my hair.
  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    It's a pain! Idk what to do about my hair

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  • starsstars Posts: 108Registered Users
    Whenever I wash it, even when my hair is wet, it feels dry and has a nasty texture. And it is a type of "sticky" feeling, but Idk if that's the most accurate description.

    And then when it dries, it as no texture. Like, it's "too soft" and really limp. I really don't understand my hair.
  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    I know exactly what you mean!
    evee103 wrote: »
    Whenever I wash it, even when my hair is wet, it feels dry and has a nasty texture. And it is a type of "sticky" feeling, but Idk if that's the most accurate description.

    And then when it dries, it as no texture. Like, it's "too soft" and really limp. I really don't understand my hair.



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  • sabibssabibs Posts: 23Registered Users
    I found this definition weird too. I'm wondering though if by "sticky" they do mean that it's difficult to run your fingers through it? Every now and then I do a thorough cleansing with a non-moisturizing shampoo and before I put conditioner on my hair, it does feel kind of "sticky." I can't really run my fingers through my hair without it getting tangled. It seems like a lot of other people experience this too, so maybe that's what "sticky" means. I always thought though that this was just how hair behaved when wet, not something special about high porosity hair. But then again, I never realized that some people can have water "bead up" on their hair. I figured everyone's hair just got instantly wet lol! So maybe people with lower porosity hair don't experience as much tangling when their hair is wet. I agree with evee103 too though; my hair seems to have very little texture when it dries. I think for me this is because it is fine.
    2aFii (Fia system), normal-high porosity

    Poo: John Frieda Full Repair
    Lo-poo: still looking...
    Condish: Suave Rosemary Mint
    Stylers: BB Texture, AC Forming Cream

    Working on growing my hair out since most of my wave is below my ears.

    My revlon speed dryer is my friend!
  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    stars wrote: »
    Whenever I wash it, even when my hair is wet, it feels dry and has a nasty texture. And it is a type of "sticky" feeling, but Idk if that's the most accurate description.

    And then when it dries, it as no texture. Like, it's "too soft" and really limp. I really don't understand my hair.

    Yes, this is my hair, too. It's like the hair of a newborn baby or like cotton candy, but really limp. It does have a sticky feel near the roots when its wet. My hair is very VERY porous.

    Stars, by any chance, are your nails weak? Mine are like paper, and I'm thinking it's some DNA flaw where insufficient keratin is produced, which explains my baby fine, fragile, porous hair.
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  • valcavevalcave Posts: 27Registered Users
    I have this glued together kind of feel after washing my hair unless I do ACV rinse. My prob would be can you use this rinse like 3 times a week? I hope so cause I can't get more than 1 or 2 day hair! Very porous hair.

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  • NocurlB4babiesNocurlB4babies Posts: 179Registered Users
    I can low-poo and put in a rich conditioner (GV Conditioning Balm for example)....and can very easily detangle. Then once I rinse the conditioner out...it's hard to pick through (until I apply a tiny bit of leave in for slip). I call that sticky.

    When I supersoak, I don't have any trouble with clumping. Do you think that porosity affects hair's ability to form nice clumps? I would guess it does.
    2b/3a fine/med-hi density/high porosity (I think)/ highlight-no silicones/sulfates
    Lo-poo - ABBA Gentle Shampoo/ Shea Moisture Curl & Shine
    Conditioner: GVCB (love it!)/ Regis OO
    Leave in
    : As I Am
    Co-Wash: Tresemme or DevaCurl NoPoo
    Stylers: As I Am Curling Jelly/GF Pure Clean/ LALCurl gel - all with BRHG added
    Style: scrunch/ diffuse, then air dry. I don't Have much frizz at all
  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    Mine is the same about being hard to pick thru nocurl

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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    bump
    Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
    This list is not exhaustive...:happy3:
    CoWash: various
    DT: various

    Leave-in
    : CR L/I Collection, various
    Stylers:MC Leave-in, Gorilla Snot
    Spritz/Sealant:Nu-Gro spray w/moisturizer
    *experimenting and loving it!
  • geekrockgirl85geekrockgirl85 Posts: 170Registered Users
    There is a bit of a "stick" to my hair.. not as if it's coated in sugar or anything, but a bit like a bushy set of velcro tabs, if that makes any sense.
    2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
  • eryn1996eryn1996 Posts: 7Registered Users
    Has anyone found a solution to the so-called "sticky" problem?

    I relate to almost every post on this thread. For one, when I wash out my conditioner, my hair gets sucked of all its moisture. Also, I have negative clumping. My crown is so dry and it is matted in this giant dry clump that I cannot untangle for the life of me. My hair strands are stretchy too. It kinda feels like synthetic Barbie hair, where it will stretch first then break. Once dry, my hair acts, looks, and feels over-conditioned, but it is straw dry.

    At first, I thought this was protein-overload, so I have been DTing and using PT free conditioners. Nothing has been working, so I ordered the Macadamia Deep Repair Masque in the hopes it will do something. My hair has never been this bad, even before starting a CG routine. Thank goodness I found this thread, I have gotten so close to shaving all my hair off :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:
  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,782Registered Users
    eryn1996 wrote: »
    Has anyone found a solution to the so-called "sticky" problem?

    I relate to almost every post on this thread. For one, when I wash out my conditioner, my hair gets sucked of all its moisture. Also, I have negative clumping. My crown is so dry and it is matted in this giant dry clump that I cannot untangle for the life of me. My hair strands are stretchy too. It kinda feels like synthetic Barbie hair, where it will stretch first then break. Once dry, my hair acts, looks, and feels over-conditioned, but it is straw dry.

    At first, I thought this was protein-overload, so I have been DTing and using PT free conditioners. Nothing has been working, so I ordered the Macadamia Deep Repair Masque in the hopes it will do something. My hair has never been this bad, even before starting a CG routine. Thank goodness I found this thread, I have gotten so close to shaving all my hair off :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:

    I wonder if porous hair absorbs too much moisture that leaves it sticky, such that shampooing twice may relieve the problem. Since I've been cowashing most of the year, my hair has this sticky feel to it, especially at the roots. Two clarifying shampoos finally got rid of the stickiness, and then a PT was applied. To my surprise, it worked, and my hair was not sticky at the next shampoo. It never would have entered my mind that porous hair would hang on to moisture that much.

    We've read that highly porous hair releases moisture just as quickly as it is absorbed, so I think we tend to overdue the moisture process to compensate.

    One conditioner I will experiment with soon is Bosley Pro Volumizing Conditioner for Colored Treated Hair. The first time I tried it was as a cowash (bought at TJ Maxx). It not only detangled my hair, but kept it detangled and moisturized without the stickiness that can sometimes lead to breakage.

    Another conditioner that works well for high porosity hair is Living Proof No Frizz conditioner.
    Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
    This list is not exhaustive...:happy3:
    CoWash: various
    DT: various

    Leave-in
    : CR L/I Collection, various
    Stylers:MC Leave-in, Gorilla Snot
    Spritz/Sealant:Nu-Gro spray w/moisturizer
    *experimenting and loving it!
  • BeinDebBeinDeb Posts: 452Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree Greatcurls. Every now and then (maybe every month or two) my naturally, highly porous hair gets that way, and I'll use a clarifying shampoo...sometimes twice until I get that squeaky clean feeling. Then, as you mentioned, I'll do the PT and the problem's gone for another month or two.

    I know my hair sucks up everything you put on it. A prime example is doing a coconut oil pre-poo at night in preparation for a wash. It can be and feel extremely oily when I put on the plastic cap. By morning, every trace of ANY oiliness is gone.
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    I am really confused after reading all this. As far as I know I have low porosity hair. It takes forever to get dry, even with the use of a diffuser.
    Nothing works on my hair unless I take the time for the product to "sink in".
    But lately I have the same "stickiness" described here. Plus the stretchy hair when wet. I thought it might be caused by build-up, so I clarified a couple of times. My hair feels rather soft and more manageable with sles-poo in it than soaked in conditioner. Can't really explain, but some did already a great job in their description...
    I need to add that after the clarify wash I needed to add some diluted KCKT to get the knots out of my hair.

    My curls are very thin at the moment, somewhat floating. But rather soft with bouncy curls at the ends.

    I can't tell if the problems I have are related to build-up problems or high porosity...but I reckon it's the first.
    Who's to say?

    Is it even possible to change from low to more porous hair without the damage? Could it happen when your hair gets curlier?

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,257Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I am really confused after reading all this. As far as I know I have low porosity hair. It takes forever to get dry, even with the use of a diffuser.
    Nothing works on my hair unless I take the time for the product to "sink in".
    But lately I have the same "stickiness" described here. Plus the stretchy hair when wet. I thought it might be caused by build-up, so I clarified a couple of times. My hair feels rather soft and more manageable with sles-poo in it than soaked in conditioner. Can't really explain, but some did already a great job in their description...
    I need to add that after the clarify wash I needed to add some diluted KCKT to get the knots out of my hair.

    My curls are very thin at the moment, somewhat floating. But rather soft with bouncy curls at the ends.

    I can't tell if the problems I have are related to build-up problems or high porosity...but I reckon it's the first.
    Who's to say?

    Is it even possible to change from low to more porous hair without the damage? Could it happen when your hair gets curlier?

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl

    I'm not familiar with your products, but stretchy wet hair when wet, soft but frizzy when dry are both cardinal signs of over-conditioning in my own fine textured hair. I know you've clarified, so you shouldn't have buildup. Have you tried a pt?
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    Thanks for your reply, Geek_Chic! This over-conditioning is kinda new to me, I usually over-PT my hair.

    My hair doesn't do well with some kinds of proteins. So the only protein-rich CO I have here is EO Coconut &Hibiscus Keratin co. Would that do for a PT?

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,257Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Thanks for your reply, Geek_Chic! This over-conditioning is kinda new to me, I usually over-PT my hair.

    My hair doesn't do well with some kinds of proteins. So the only protein-rich CO I have here is EO Coconut &Hibiscus Keratin co. Would that do for a PT?

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl

    You could start there and see how it does. In addition to a good amount of protein, that conditioner also has a lot of oils, which I would think might interfere with protein absorption. It's the sort of thing I might incorporate as a RO or LI. Definitely try it though as a pt and see if you like the results.

    Do you have any idea how your hair reacts to collagen? If it doesn't react poorly, then unflavored gelatin makes a cheap and easy pt. If you don't get enough of a boost from the EO conditioner, you could try IAGirl's gelatin pt. If you're afraid of ODing on protein, you can mix up a half strength batch or even do a test pt on a hidden patch of hair.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    Thanks for the advice, Geek_Chic! Unfortunately collagen and my hair don't go well together. The first PT I ever did, was the IA Girl's PT, and it gave me coated, practically straight hair.

    Yesterday I washed my hair with a sles-poo (had no choice, I stayed over my parents and forgot to bring my own shampoo).
    Then used a bit of KCKT to detangle. And that was good, got a bit of clumping again. Then, to put it to the test, I added some EO keratin CO. My hair went practically straight and stringy in an instance. So, I guess this definitely shows that my hair has got enough of protein.

    For LI I used a tiny bit of KCKT on my nape hair and the ends...and...the clumps got back. Not so big this time, but just enough to ensure me that my hair needs more moisture than protein.
    I think I can be sure that my hair is low porosity with little need for protein and that too much protein can go really bad and give my hair the kind of over-conditioning that makes my hair straight-ish with a suffocated look and a strange 'wiry' feel.

    So, I guess once in a month using a protein conditioner is enough for me. And one good result doesn't mean I have to overboard with the protein.
    I really hope my problems are solved now. I keep you posted ;-)

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,257Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Thanks for the advice, Geek_Chic! Unfortunately collagen and my hair don't go well together. The first PT I ever did, was the IA Girl's PT, and it gave me coated, practically straight hair.

    Yesterday I washed my hair with a sles-poo (had no choice, I stayed over my parents and forgot to bring my own shampoo).
    Then used a bit of KCKT to detangle. And that was good, got a bit of clumping again. Then, to put it to the test, I added some EO keratin CO. My hair went practically straight and stringy in an instance. So, I guess this definitely shows that my hair has got enough of protein.

    For LI I used a tiny bit of KCKT on my nape hair and the ends...and...the clumps got back. Not so big this time, but just enough to ensure me that my hair needs more moisture than protein.
    I think I can be sure that my hair is low porosity with little need for protein and that too much protein can go really bad and give my hair the kind of over-conditioning that makes my hair straight-ish with a suffocated look and a strange 'wiry' feel.

    So, I guess once in a month using a protein conditioner is enough for me. And one good result doesn't mean I have to overboard with the protein.
    I really hope my problems are solved now. I keep you posted ;-)

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl

    Yup, sounds like collagen doesn't do well for your hair, at least in that concentration. Collagen is a big-ish protein that increases elastcity. The whole proteins in gelatin will tend to coat the outside while the amino acids absorb and the hydrolyzed proteins in it will temporarily patch repair surface damage. I would guess that your hair might respond better to smaller proteins. In the meantime, glad you've found a happy medium. :)

    You may find this Science-y Hair Blog post helpful: Science-y Hair Blog: More About Protein. Also check out this one: Science-y Hair Blog: Mysteries of Hydrolyzed Proteins.
    CG since 11/2011
    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    Thanks for the useful links, Geek_Chic!

    Yesterday I Co-washed, left some KCKT in my hair and styled with humectant-rich gel. My hair looked a bit producty at first and it took a while for my hair to absorb the products, but it left me with great bouncy curls. I'm very glad to say that concentrating on hydration is paying off.

    I'm gonna be very careful with protein from now on.

    2b-3a med-fine low porosity
    Blog: KrullenWijzer.nl
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl