HELP! new to CG, hair is a mess!

jaclyn15jaclyn15 Registered Users Posts: 227
Hi curlies!

I was so excited to try the CG method after reading the famous book and reading the forums here. I bought all my products and started about one week ago. Here's what I did:

cowash: Suave Naturals Coconut
rinse-out: AO Honeysuckle Rose
leave-in: Kinky Curly KT
gel: LA Looks Sport Gel

The first day, I did my sulfate wash, then started the routine. My hair looked GORGEOUS. I mean my curls have never looked so good--defined, zero frizz, bouncy! A couple days later I did my cowash and started the routine again, feeling confident. The result? Lifeless, fuzzy hair. I'm pretty sure I did exactly the same thing as day one, except that I didn't sulfate wash of course. Still had some decent curl definition but so much frizz around it--bleh!

I tried plopping to see if that would improve things, but it only made my hair more frizzy. I'm not using any brushes/combs or towels (just a tshirt).

I even went out and bought Devacurl no-poo, One Condition, and Arc Angell thinking that these high-end products would yield the fabulous results I had day one. But NOPE - the same frizzy hair.

Did I just have beginner's luck, and is my hair destined to be a fuzzy mess? Has anyone else experienced this, and did they ever get back to the fabulous results they had day one? If so, HOW! :toothy8:

For the record I think I am 3b, corkicelli, pretty thick, medium/high porosity (?)
My hair: 3b, corkicelli, medium porosity, medium texture, medium/thick density

Co-wash: DevaCurl NoPoo
Rinse-out: GVP Conditioning Balm
Leave-in: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut, or my rinse-out!
Gel: SS FHG (my new HG!!)... I also like HESMU, AIF, CJ CQ, BRHG, CJ PP and the occasional LALSG

Likes: Plopping!
Dislikes: Glycerin

CG and loving it! :hello1:

Comments

  • itsiliiiitsiliii Registered Users Posts: 340
    Im honestly not sure what to tell you, everyone has a different experience when they switch to the CG method and different transition periods.

    For example before i switched to CG I was doing baking soda washes and my hair was super dried out. When i went CG my hair got super moisturized and way easier to handle.
    It could be that youre hair is having trouble adjusting to having no silicones in it now, and its responding by poofing out and being is rebellious as possible.

    The truth about the CG method though is that results are never instantaneous, i recommend sticking to the method for at least 3 months to get a better taste of the method. You must remember that the condition of your hair before you go CG affects how quickly you see results as well.

    Additionally the products you are using are fine, but perhaps you may need to experiment with styling products until you find your holy grail!

    Good luck :happy8:
    cat...im a kitty cat...and i dance dance dance :blob7:
    2B/2C hair! :thumbup:

    Shampoo: GTTT, SheaMoisture
    Condish Tresemme naturals, GFTN
    DT: Lustrasilk + honey :)
    LI: KCKT, GVP CB
    Styling products: Ouidad CC, TIGI Catwalk, KCCC, PaulMitchell Sculpting Foam
    Oils: Coconut
  • McfrizzyMcfrizzy Registered Users Posts: 406
    i think your suffering from buildup (need a low poo) and if that doesnt work alot of people add a sulfate rinse every once in a while so that could be it
    Lo-poo:organix Shea butter shampoo
    Co-wash: suave coconut
    Rinse out:GFTN/GVP conditioning balm
    Leave in: GF daily care spray leave in
    Serum-like product: still need one
    Gel:LA looks sport gel/ HESMU,GFPC
    Oils: olive, coconut

    I think I'm normal-overly porous, medium-thick hair(although I see fine hair too), love protein
  • ajgrneyesajgrneyes Registered Users Posts: 103 Curl Neophyte
    Is it possible that your hair does not like protein? The Suave coconut conditioner has protein in it and also the Devacurl poo has protein- just a thought. Before you buy anything else expensive, try one of the other Suave conditioners, the ones that say 2x more moisture, the coconut one is the only one that contains protein; the others do not from what I have seen so far.
    sulfate, silicone and protein free since 6/11
    porosity - normal to low
    elasticity - normal

    love my curls :love4:
    HGs:
    FSG
    Henna
    My own butter mixture
    My own version of Terressentials mud wash
  • Curly NikkiCurly Nikki Registered Users Posts: 6
    Oh My! Your like my hair twin. And on top of everything eles I'm using the exact same products as you in the exact same order and my hair of super soft, too soft and limp. Im debating on going back to using shampoo but with no sulfates. I've never really had a problem with dry hair until I started using a lot of heat on it and it became super damaged. So Im gonna wait until my damaged hair has grown out and see where things go from there. Hopefully someone can help us both.
  • supersoupsupersoup Registered Users Posts: 50
    If you hair feels 'too soft' it might be over-conditioned. Maybe try a protein treatment? It seems like protein is the key ingredient here, try upping it or cutting it out all together to find out how you hair reacts to it.
    Hair type: 3a (Botticelli)

    First DevaCut on 8/10/11 and my hair looks great!

    Products:
    DevaCurl No Poo
    DevaCurl One Condition
    Suave EverSleek DT
    Still trying to find the perfect styling routine using AnGel, LA Looks Sport, and FOTE AVG.
    Just purchased KCCC and excited to test it out!
  • HeadDressHeadDress Registered Users Posts: 68
    Hi Jaclyn, CG can take a while to get used to and everything that the OP wrote are questions that you'll be asking yourself throughout. It's important to determine your hair properties. This will really help you figure out whether or not you need protein or what type of styler to use and so forth.
    One thing thats really simple and may help get rid of some frizz may be to use a brush. I also have 3b thick hair. I tried finger combing/ detangling in the beginning and it just wasn't working for me. I need to smooth my hair out so I gently use a denman type brush to smooth in sections. I do this with my LI on already so it makes it a lot easier to do and it distributes it evenly. I think the whole finger combing is to promote treating your hair gently, not snagging on knots or brushing when dry...
    Try that.... Hope that eleviates some of the problemo... ;-)
    LI: Suave Coco, KCKT, EVCO I Gel: LALSG
  • kathymackkathymack Registered Users Posts: 9,999 Curl Neophyte
    It's pretty much finding the right protein/moisture balance--and the right products/techniques.

    Not everyone's hair responds well to all products. Many of us start out with Deva, think we like it and then move on to really great products. Deva changed their ingredients a few years ago. I, personally, find the NoPoo very drying since they did. I used to let the salon use the NoPoo (none of the other products), but not for the last two years.

    You may need to rotate your products. My hair, and many others, has always satiated on product. I wet, rinse out and style everyday seldom using any one product more then twice a week. Just because a product works for someone on nc.com doesn't mean it will work for you. It's all trial and error--and finding what's good for you. Unfortunately, it takes a while.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • jaclyn15jaclyn15 Registered Users Posts: 227
    Thank you all so much for the feedback! I really appreciate it, and it helps to know I am not the only one with these hair issues!

    I discovered today that the sulfate shampoo I used for my initial cleanse when I started CG has a hidden silicone, so I think I may need to start over with a sulfate wash! Grrr - tricky little cones. I wonder if that has contributed to my problems.

    I have read some of the forums about protein, but wasn't sure how to determine if this was me. I guess I just need to get some protein-free cowash and see if that helps. Luckily with the Suave I am only out $1 if it doesn't work :)

    @Curly Nikki - I feel your pain! I actually was having good results for a long time with silicones and shampoo, and my hair didn't seem unhealthy or anything. But then I was starting to get product build-up and wanted something that would be more natural/healthy for the long term. But right now, my silicones and shampoos are looking really good! :blob7:

    I'm going to start over with a sulfate wash tomorrow to see if that pesky silicone was causing the trouble, and then start experimenting with proteins. I'll let you all know how it goes!
    My hair: 3b, corkicelli, medium porosity, medium texture, medium/thick density

    Co-wash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Rinse-out: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Leave-in: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut, or my rinse-out!
    Gel: SS FHG (my new HG!!)... I also like HESMU, AIF, CJ CQ, BRHG, CJ PP and the occasional LALSG

    Likes: Plopping!
    Dislikes: Glycerin

    CG and loving it! :hello1:
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Registered Users Posts: 2,573 Curl Neophyte
    I discovered today that the sulfate shampoo I used for my initial cleanse when I started CG has a hidden silicone... I wonder if that has contributed to my problems.

    There is an excellent chance that it has.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • jaclyn15jaclyn15 Registered Users Posts: 227
    I am so happy to report that I think the problem is fixed! I believe the issue was the hidden silicone in my initial sulfate wash or build-up of some kind. Over the weekend I re-washed with a different sulfate shampoo (checked very carefully for any silicones!) and started the process over. Since then my hair is a little bit frizzy but overall MUCH better. My curls are clumping nicely and my hair seems more hydrated than its ever been! I think I still need to figure out which products work for me and how much to use, but I am noticing improvements :) I think that next I will get some Curl Keeper since I hear it helps a lot with frizzies.

    Now I feel like I can stick with the CG method for the long haul! Thanks ladies for all your support! You are fabulous!
    My hair: 3b, corkicelli, medium porosity, medium texture, medium/thick density

    Co-wash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Rinse-out: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Leave-in: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut, or my rinse-out!
    Gel: SS FHG (my new HG!!)... I also like HESMU, AIF, CJ CQ, BRHG, CJ PP and the occasional LALSG

    Likes: Plopping!
    Dislikes: Glycerin

    CG and loving it! :hello1:
  • WaveyGirlWaveyGirl Registered Users Posts: 36
    I'm fairly new to the CG method. I tried WEN for about 3 months and didn't get the results I wanted. I have long (below my bra strap) 2c hair, and it can be EXTREMELY frizzy. I have not yet started CG. Mainly because i'm not sure what products to use. This is where I need help. Below is my understanding of the CG method....please let me know if iv'e got it right. Thanks!!!

    -First I wash my hair with a sulfate shampoo that does NOT contain silicone. Any suggestions on what one is good for the first wash?
    -From then on I use a "cleansing conditioner" such as Sauve Naturals.
    -After using my cleansing cond. I deep cond. my hair.
    -Then I use a leave in cond. and finally a curl cream.

    I know that i'm supposed to use a special towel that I can purchase from curlmart.com and that all products MUST be sulfate and silicone free.

    Is this the correct steps in the CG method?? I really want my hair to be soft (not crunchy), shiny, and frizz FREE, but most of all I want my hair to be healthy again.

    Thanks for any help/advice. It is GREATLY appreciated!!!
    2c w/2a underneath, Norm/Coarse texture, norm/porosity, Thick density, Mildly protein sensitive
    Low Poo: L'Oreal ES, Baking Soda
    CO Wash: Sauve Naturals cond
    RO/LI: GFTN, GF Sleek and Shine (new formula w/o cones)
    Styling products: AVG, L.A. Looks NutraCurl, Cashmere Curls, LOOB, GF anti-humidity hairspray
    DT: EVOO+Coconut oil+CG friendly cond.
    LOVE sugar scrubs and ACV rinses
    Spritz&Condish, Ice Queen, Air dry 75-80% then defuse to SOTC
    Mod. CG since Aug, 19, 2011 & lovin it
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Registered Users Posts: 2,573 Curl Neophyte
    It's not that complicated.
    -First I wash my hair with a sulfate shampoo that does NOT contain silicone. Any suggestions on what one is good for the first wash?

    J&J baby shampoo (which you can usually get in a travel sized bottle) works well for this, as does any of the VO5 Herbal Escapes or Suave Naturals shampoos.
    -From then on I use a "cleansing conditioner" such as Sauve Naturals.

    Right!
    -After using my cleansing cond. I deep cond. my hair.

    Just a silicone-free regular conditioner is fine. In summer, most of us don't need anything all that rich, in winter it helps to use something that's more emollient.

    A deep conditioner is different. It is most emollient, left on for an extended period of time, and usually used with heat.
    -Then I use a leave in cond. and finally a curl cream.

    Since I started using the new Curly Girl method, which has you just throw a couple of handsful of water at your hair (called a trickle or Baptismal rinse), I haven't needed to use a separate leave in. I never imagined my hair would tolerate this much conditioner, but without the silicone coating, it doesn't get weighed down or look like I encountered an oil slick.

    Some of us use a curl cream, but it's not required. What Lorraine Massey does say, though, is to use a silicone-free gel. Prior to going CG, in addition to having thought my hair couldn't tolerate conditioner, I hated gel because it always seemed to coat my hair and make it hard. What I didn't realise was that it wasn't gel I hated, but gel with silicone. Without the silicone, you can easily break the gel cast (the hard casing around your hair which protects your curls as they dry) once it dries, by simply scrunching your hair, and it falls off.
    I know that i'm supposed to use a special towel that I can purchase from curlmart.com and that all products MUST be sulfate and silicone free.

    You're right about the sulfate and silicone free part. The fancy smancy towel, not so much. You may get one if you wish, but you can use anything absorbent with a smooth surface. I used old dish towels at first. Then I moved on to old T-shirts. (If you have a serger, you can make your old T-shirts fancy by cutting off the body, and giving it a lettuce edging.)
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • WaveyGirlWaveyGirl Registered Users Posts: 36
    Thank you SO MUCH for the info!!!
    2c w/2a underneath, Norm/Coarse texture, norm/porosity, Thick density, Mildly protein sensitive
    Low Poo: L'Oreal ES, Baking Soda
    CO Wash: Sauve Naturals cond
    RO/LI: GFTN, GF Sleek and Shine (new formula w/o cones)
    Styling products: AVG, L.A. Looks NutraCurl, Cashmere Curls, LOOB, GF anti-humidity hairspray
    DT: EVOO+Coconut oil+CG friendly cond.
    LOVE sugar scrubs and ACV rinses
    Spritz&Condish, Ice Queen, Air dry 75-80% then defuse to SOTC
    Mod. CG since Aug, 19, 2011 & lovin it
  • solatkasolatka Registered Users Posts: 1
    Hi!

    I joined recently. I am thinking about trying the CG method. I have a couple of questions.
    - I have seen a thread about before/after. Some curls look very shiny, at times almost greasy? Is it the same in real life, or is this the healthy shine?
    - When using CG method, what happens if after a while you use a shampoo? Is all the work gone, and hair goes back to bad?

    Thanks
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Registered Users Posts: 2,573 Curl Neophyte
    Generally this is a healthy shine, but many people interpret is as looking wet or greasy at first, just because we're so used to the look of dried out, overwashed hair.

    If you use a shampoo (as distinguished from a low-poo) after you have been CG for a while, you may or may not notice some deterioration in your hair condition. Provided it's a single incident, and you go back to CGing, it may not make a lasting difference in the condition of your hair.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • QurlyQutiesQurlyQuties Registered Users Posts: 8
    I would try changing the conditioners. Have your tried Tresemmee Naturals. If you get a bottle of that, mix about 1 to 1 1/2 tablespoons of EVOO in the bottle. Use that as your co-wash AND your leave in. I'm not to sure about that gel either. Try one Ecostyler's brand. 18 Paul Mitchell "The Conditioner" & Eco Syler Gel Wash & Go Routine - YouTube
  • NapturAllyDNapturAllyD Registered Users Posts: 1
    Your leave-in may be too alkaline and causing your cuticles to frizz out and affect adjacent strands. Kinky KT has a pH of 7.0. Hair cuticles respond best to a pH 4.5-5.5.
    I suggest cowashing again, doing a rinse a Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) rinse to restore the pH balance to your hair. A good mix is 2 cups water to 1/4cup ACV. Saturate your hair with the rinse. massage your scalp. Smooth hair in a downward motion. After 2 minutes Rinse.
    To Fix the Knot Today problem - just add an equal part of aloe vera juice to the product and mix well. This will bring the pH down to the desired range.

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