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How can you low carb it AND count calories?

SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
My question is this…is it realistic to eat Low carb/low sugar AND count calories? Or is it better to pick just one and stick strictly to that?
I don’t want to do a low fat diet…I’m always hungry which makes me always grumpy…plus I don’t want all of the artificial sweeteners that come with low fat foods….I typically eat low carb/sugar and I’ve really been working on getting more protein…but everything seems to be higher in calories this way.

I am working on trimming up (building muscle) and maybe dropping 10 lbs….
(and yes, I realize that I should cut processed foods as much as possible....but with my schedule right now it's not always an option)

Everyone keeps telling me to count calories…but I still want to keep it low carb/sugar…..is that possible? What would I be eating if I did?

The more I type this post the more convoluted it seems…ugh. I hope this makes sense to someone out there!! ;)
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  • midgimidgi Posts: 2,409Registered Users
    Actually a lot of people who follow a low-carb diet also count calories. Although, I think counting calories is over-the-top and completely unnecessary when you can easily stay under your daily calorie allowance by estimating portion sizes based on the size of your fist (equals roughly 1 cup) and reading nutrition labels.

    I've used the My Plate website to get an idea of the types of foods and how much of each food group I should be eating everyday to maintain my health and current weight.

    As far as low-fat is concerned, I would stick to consuming low-fat dairy products only, because they're typically fortified with the same amount of nutrients as full-fat dairy. Other low-fat products (like meal replacements and junk food) contain less fat but usually have just as many calories and more sugar to make up for it.

    You can also eat processed foods and still be healthy as long as you still strive to get all your essential nutrients from a variety of food sources besides processed foods. Reading nutrition labels is really what makes sorting the good stuff from the bad stuff easy. HTH
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    I've been counting calories for most of the summer and been really frustrated (I tried Weight Watchers, sparkpeople, and myfitnessplan). 2 weeks ago I started following the Precision Nutrition plan (it's not really a plan, I just don't know what to call it). A couple of super fit people (separately) recommended this plan so I thought I'd give it a try. The premise is, eat more protein, replace most carbs with vegetables, eat less bad fat/more good fat. Common sense stuff.

    The author has a cookbook called "Gourmet Nutrition" that I've been using for meal ideas. Everything I've made has been delicious. I haven't been hungry, and I've felt great for the past 2 weeks--strong, healthy, leaner.

    Start here for information:
    Precision Nutrition

    I followed his advice on using protein powder in smoothies to up protein, taking a multivitamin, and omega3 oil. I absolutely have felt an improvement in my mood and energy levels, so I have no fears about recommending this plan to anyone! I haven't been counting calories on this plan, but I'm slowly losing weight. I only want to lose about 5 pounds, so I'm focusing on making sure I'm not hungry, and am feeling good and enjoying my food (all of which was troublesome when counting calories).

    So, I hope all that is "food" for thought!
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    Thank you guys!Both of your posts were very helpful!
    Midgi: I will def check into myplate to get good ideas of foods/portions...I think portions sometimes get the better of me!! Thank you!

    Solidgold: did you invest in the entire program? ($150)? That seems like a lot of money...but the way you describe the eating is exactly what I'm doing now...except I only maintain, not lose...hence the question about counting calories too...need something to get the ball rolling.

    I'm interested in this...just don't know if buying the entire schpeel is necessary???
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    If you do a "strict" low carb diet, you should be able to lose weight without counting calories. For the most part, low fat products have more carbs then full fat products. You always need to check. If they are the same, I go with the lower fat product.
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  • JillH410JillH410 Posts: 594Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't think it's necessary to count calories, but keep a rough idea of a what a portion size is in your head. The Precision diet mentioned above seems sort of similar to eating Paleo or Primal, though maybe not as strict. I've eaten primally and while I absolutely loved it and had a huge amount of energy, it was just too expensive if you tried to experiment with replacing grains. It was just easier to not even worry about eating any sort of grains.

    A really good website about eating primally is www.marksdailyapple.com I actually found out about this type of diet/lifestyle from someone on here. It's definitely interesting.
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users

    Solidgold: did you invest in the entire program? ($150)? That seems like a lot of money...but the way you describe the eating is exactly what I'm doing now...except I only maintain, not lose...hence the question about counting calories too...need something to get the ball rolling.

    I'm interested in this...just don't know if buying the entire schpeel is necessary???

    Nope, I just bought the cookbook (Gourmet Nutrition) on Amazon. I did buy the supplements he recommended, and a Magic Bullet to make smoothies in the mornings, but those were not required. His free website (precisionnutrition.com) has lots of good articles and information. Try searching there to get beyond your plateau!

    Try myfitnessplan.com for counting calories. It's very intuitive and easy to use. I liked its interface much better than WW or sparkpeople.

    Good luck!
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    solidgold wrote: »

    Solidgold: did you invest in the entire program? ($150)? That seems like a lot of money...but the way you describe the eating is exactly what I'm doing now...except I only maintain, not lose...hence the question about counting calories too...need something to get the ball rolling.

    I'm interested in this...just don't know if buying the entire schpeel is necessary???

    Nope, I just bought the cookbook (Gourmet Nutrition) on Amazon. I did buy the supplements he recommended, and a Magic Bullet to make smoothies in the mornings, but those were not required. His free website (precisionnutrition.com) has lots of good articles and information. Try searching there to get beyond your plateau!

    Try myfitnessplan.com for counting calories. It's very intuitive and easy to use. I liked its interface much better than WW or sparkpeople.

    Good luck!

    Checking out the cookbook/free site now...the eating sounds good, I just hope it's not super duper involved. I struggle with time right now being a mom, working and going to school! ack!
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    I understand time management... Good luck! Let me know if you try the "plan".
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    I did subscribe to get the 5 video emails...and I just got the supplement one, so I am going to get those this week. Did you have to order this stuff, or were you able to find it at your local healthfood stores?

    Thanks!!
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    I got the multi, the omega 3, the greens +, and the protein powder from my local Vitamin Shoppe. Be warned--the vegan protein powder does not taste nearly as good as the protein powder made with whey.
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    2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
    Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix, Tigi MM
    Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    I couldn't find the multi or the greens locally, so I've ordered them online.
    the fish oil...disgusting.

    I couldn't find the vegan powder either....(can't remember which was vegan now...) ended up getting the only one that Vitamin Shoppe had...the muscle milk light. It's not bad at all.
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    I have a hard time getting the multi down in the morning! I need to take it with juice or some liquid with a taste to cover up the vitamin. Urgh.
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    2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
    Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix, Tigi MM
    Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    I thought part of the point of a low-carb diet is to decrease caloric intake by increasing satiety.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    I thought part of the point of a low-carb diet is to decrease caloric intake by increasing satiety.

    I've done low carb for about 14 years. Never heard this. When I first started and was really strict (under 30 carbs,) I ate A LOT of fat. It had to be calories. Even as I got past the point of wanting to loose weight and upped my carbs to a maintenance level (around 50 carbs), I ate A LOT of fat. Now, I'm not as good, so I'm a little more careful about the fat.

    When I was being really good with the carbs and eating a lot of fat, my cholesterol was good (140.) It's still good, but not THAT low.
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    I thought part of the point of a low-carb diet is to decrease caloric intake by increasing satiety.

    I think that with a low-carb diet you are supposed to eat more non-starchy vegetables to fill you up, which have fewer calories than carbs. So the end result is that you decrease your caloric intake and you are satiated.
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    I thought part of the point of a low-carb diet is to decrease caloric intake by increasing satiety.

    I've done low carb for about 14 years. Never heard this. When I first started and was really strict (under 30 carbs,) I ate A LOT of fat. It had to be calories. Even as I got past the point of wanting to loose weight and upped my carbs to a maintenance level (around 50 carbs), I ate A LOT of fat. Now, I'm not as good, so I'm a little more careful about the fat.

    When I was being really good with the carbs and eating a lot of fat, my cholesterol was good (140.) It's still good, but not THAT low.

    This is what I always think about low carb. I end up eating a lot of healthy fats....which =more calories, right. ????
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    It's not just healthy fats, it's lots of animal protein--bacon, prime rib, etc.
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  • ShrekLoverShrekLover Posts: 2,551Registered Users
    Thank you guys!Both of your posts were very helpful!
    Midgi: I will def check into myplate to get good ideas of foods/portions...I think portions sometimes get the better of me!! Thank you!

    Solidgold: did you invest in the entire program? ($150)? That seems like a lot of money...but the way you describe the eating is exactly what I'm doing now...except I only maintain, not lose...hence the question about counting calories too...need something to get the ball rolling.

    I'm interested in this...just don't know if buying the entire schpeel is necessary???

    It's on sale until the 31st (of course that might be a gimmick and it's always on sale), but it's now $97 plus $8 for shipping which doesn't seem bad at all.
  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    It's not just healthy fats, it's lots of animal protein--bacon, prime rib, etc.

    True. I'm not a big "meat" eater though, so I think I tend to choke down as much as I can tolerate, and rely more heavily on stuff like avacado and olive oil, etc. I wish I liked it more.

    sdc wrote: »
    Thank you guys!Both of your posts were very helpful!
    Midgi: I will def check into myplate to get good ideas of foods/portions...I think portions sometimes get the better of me!! Thank you!

    Solidgold: did you invest in the entire program? ($150)? That seems like a lot of money...but the way you describe the eating is exactly what I'm doing now...except I only maintain, not lose...hence the question about counting calories too...need something to get the ball rolling.

    I'm interested in this...just don't know if buying the entire schpeel is necessary???

    It's on sale until the 31st (of course that might be a gimmick and it's always on sale), but it's now $97 plus $8 for shipping which doesn't seem bad at all.

    Thanks for the heads up SDC!
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    solidgold wrote: »
    I have a hard time getting the multi down in the morning! I need to take it with juice or some liquid with a taste to cover up the vitamin. Urgh.

    Okay....the greens....I don't know if I made a mistake when ordering, or if it always comes in powder form....but this is the most disgusting tasting mud I have ever drank! Did yours come in powder or pill form?
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    I got the powder and I mix it in with protein powder, coconut milk, frozen fruit, and a banana. I don't taste it that way. You're not just mixing it with water, are you?
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    solidgold wrote: »
    I got the powder and I mix it in with protein powder, coconut milk, frozen fruit, and a banana. I don't taste it that way. You're not just mixing it with water, are you?

    I tried it that way the first time. And that will be the LAST time I do that. Holy hell. It tasted like butthole!
    This morning I tried it in my protien shake...not bad at all.
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    Ha! Sorry to laugh at your misfortune, but "butthole" is funny. Yeah, it's gotta be mixed in with tastier stuff.
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  • SpaghettiHeadSpaghettiHead Posts: 1,510Registered Users
    Sorry for my eloquent use of the word butthole . hah!

    I found that I can do the greens and the fish oil in my protein shake and get them both down at once. Whew!
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    Anyway, I don't think there's any reason that you can't count calories while also eating low carb. I know that plenty of people do that!

    On the other hand, if you have a tendency toward overeating, then focusing on feelings of hunger and fullness may be more helpful than counting calories. Start eating when you're moderately hungry, not starving or bored; stop eating when you're moderately full, not stuffed. Learning to rely on your body's signals is a lot more realistic and normal than entering calories into a journal or website.
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    It's mot impossible, but maybe not needed. I personally only count calories (I use the LoseIt app) and find that works for me.

    Good look!
  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    Hey SpaghettiHead--
    I just figured out that I'm taking the wrong dose of fish oil. I've been taking one softgel (1000 mg of fish oil) daily but I'm supposed to be taking 15 grams of fish oil a day. That's 15 capsules! That's not going to work. I guess I'm going to need to get the liquid and put it in my smoothies... I'm scared.
    Sorry for my eloquent use of the word butthole . hah!

    I found that I can do the greens and the fish oil in my protein shake and get them both down at once. Whew!
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  • mrsgp101310mrsgp101310 Posts: 182Registered Users
    I 2nd JillH's suggestion about looking into primal, or paleo if you cant handle dairy. I am on my 2nd week primal and so far, it's great! You dont have to count calories, although some do. Of course, everything is still in moderation, but just eat until your full. I have cut out grains entirely and don't miss them at all. The one thing I read that started me down this path is this:
    2 slices of whole wheat bread has a higher glycemic impact than a snickers bar! After I read that, I cut out the grains!
    Eating primal, to lose weight, you keep your carbs bw 50-100, which is pretty easy to do. You get your carbs from veggies and fruit. One thing I have noticed is that the more protein and fat you eat, you're not hungry bw meals so you're able to cut out snacking. If you're still hungry bw meals, you eat more protein/fat. I can even do intermittent fasting, which is going for at least 14 hrs without eating, but not on purpose really, it just happens that way on the weekends. Perfect example is Monday night, my mom went into the hospital. Tuesday I knew I wouldnt be (hopefully) eating until I got home that evening, so for breakfast I ate 3 fried eggs (in coconut oil) and a couple of sausage patties. I didn't eat again until around 7:30 that night and I was fine. If I had been eating the way I used to with lots of grains & carbs, I would've been dying by 2 or 3:00, nauseous and a killer headache!
    Check out the link Jill posted early to marks daily apple and this one for the basics on primal-Primal Blueprint 101 | Mark's Daily Apple
    Good luck!
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