Curl Definition and Porosity

BellaPetiteBellaPetite Posts: 9Registered Users
Are you all having issues with curl definition? The roots of my hair are super frizzy but the ends of my hair are super defined curls. What's the deal? Is there a product (yes i'm a PJ) to fix this?

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  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hello there BellaPetite,

    Hope I can help you. I personally don't have issues with curl definition or frizz but I DO have high porosity hair. My trick is to close cuticle, moisturize, then seal. I'm not a PJ so I can't tell you nine gillion products in this and that line.

    What I can tell you is that for some high porous hair..frizz is often an issue not only at the roots but everywhere. High porosity hair can look very frizzy if the cuticle is not closed and the hair isn't sealed in some way. What could be the cause of your frizzy roots but super defined curls is that you aren't moisturizing and sealing your hair closer to the roots enough.

    A lot of people are really into focusing on their ends which is great because that's how you retain length but I'm an advocate of focusing on the ENTIRE head of hair (as well as the scalp) because growth begins growing down from the roots. So I actually moisturize all my hair and seal all of it root to tip. What I'm careful about is NOT getting any product on my scalp.

    I make sure my hair cuticle is closed (I use cold water or you can use a small amount Apple Cider Vinegar mixed with water.) Then I use regular water based silicone free conditioner as a leave-in and then I apply a natural oil. I personally use an organic castor oil and organic olive oil mixture to seal. For me, it's the perfect combo to seal my hair and keep in moisturized for many many hours. I use other oils sometimes though specifically almond oil, macadamian nut oil, etc.

    I never seal with Coconut Oil or Jojoba Oil.


    Best wishes with everything and I hope this helps you out some.
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  • sapphirestarr14sapphirestarr14 Posts: 86Registered Users
    I've tried sealing my hair because I get the same problem as the op, but it didn't really do anything... Then I realized I needed to increase my moisture levels also. My hair was really dry and I was just putting water then an oil on top... Big mistake. Now I take a little of my moisturizing dc and seal with some evoo and it works pretty well.

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    Mostly fine hair, coarse around my edges and nape.
    Definitely high porosity and insanely dense.
    Not so sure on the elasticity, but I don't think I have a very good moisture/protein balance and my hair is ubber dry, so I'm going to go with low... of course I could be very wrong.

    Regimen:
    Cowash/RO: HEHH, AIA Coconut Cowash
    PT: Ion Effective Care Treatment
    DT: Any condish with EVOO+Honey
    LI: SM CES or PM The conditioner
    Styler: EcoStyler Olive Oil, KCCC, or Let's Jam
  • QtBoutiqueQtBoutique Posts: 121Registered Users
    Honestly, I think that might have more to do with your hair's age than your porosity. I have the same issue and I've come to the conclusion that curl units don't grow in exactly the same pattern (or close enough to the same pattern that they can actually clump together) until they reach a certain age.

    I made a post about this very subject on my blog if you wanna check it out. http://aaliyahlanae.blogspot.com/2011/08/naturally-curly-hair-growth.html That's the exact post, but you can also get to my blog through the link in my siggy. HTH!!

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  • BellaPetiteBellaPetite Posts: 9Registered Users
    Thanks ladies!! This was helpful...I've been doing twist outs lately to get a more defined look. And to keep my hair soft and looking more natural i use the shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie. Olive oil works wonders for my hair as well...Thanks again. and i am def. checking out the blog as we speak! :)
  • coco_bunnycoco_bunny Posts: 216Registered Users
    Thanks ladies!! This was helpful...I've been doing twist outs lately to get a more defined look. And to keep my hair soft and looking more natural i use the shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie. Olive oil works wonders for my hair as well...Thanks again. and i am def. checking out the blog as we speak! :)


    If you hair loves olive oil I recommend also Almond and Safflower oil. I get them from my local super market. My hair is highly porous and adding these other oils with my olive oil has helped me out tremendously with cutting frizz and dryness. I put these oils on right after I wash my hair and before any leave-in or gel.

    Also I agree with the others about ACV rinses. That's probably the one thing that's corrected my porosity the most. It's also helped me a ton w/ my dandruff, keeping my hair from losing moisture, and breakage.

    Hope this helps :)
    BC ~ August 2010 ~ GOAL ~ hip/tail bone length :love4:
    Current Length: 12 inches
    TWO YEARS NATURAL! :occasion1:
    3b/3c VERY naturally porous hair
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  • bellaviebellavie Posts: 64Registered Users
    I have the same issue but I've never tried the cold water and or apple cider vinegar. I'll have to test that one out.
    Julie
    3b to 4a?

    My Routine
    Pre-Poo:Conditioner & Avocado Oil or Jamaican Black Caster Oil or Coconut Oil
    Co-wash - One Hair for Dry Hair
    Moisturize - Coco curls or beija flore creme brulee
    Leave In - Shea Moisture Enhancing Smoothie
    Gel - Kinky Curly Custard, Deva Spray Gel
    Seal ends - Castor Oil

    Weekly Routine:
    Deep Conditioner - Moroccan Oil Deep Conditioner or Caster Oil & Coconut Oil

    Last Relaxer May 2006

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  • Curly SaraCurly Sara Posts: 183Registered Users
    coco_bunny wrote: »
    Thanks ladies!! This was helpful...I've been doing twist outs lately to get a more defined look. And to keep my hair soft and looking more natural i use the shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie. Olive oil works wonders for my hair as well...Thanks again. and i am def. checking out the blog as we speak! :)


    If you hair loves olive oil I recommend also Almond and Safflower oil. I get them from my local super market. My hair is highly porous and adding these other oils with my olive oil has helped me out tremendously with cutting frizz and dryness. I put these oils on right after I wash my hair and before any leave-in or gel.

    Also I agree with the others about ACV rinses. That's probably the one thing that's corrected my porosity the most. It's also helped me a ton w/ my dandruff, keeping my hair from losing moisture, and breakage.

    Hope this helps :)

    What is "ACV" rinse?



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    Hair type/properties:
    3c hair, high porosity, mediumdensity, low elasticity, fine hair.

    Curly hair routine/regime:
    Combine the modified cg-method (low poo) and a modified tightly curly method.
    -Condition and leave in: Aubrey Organics, Giovanni Barzilian keratin and argan oil
    -Sealer: shea butter, Argan, olive and coconutoil
    -Gel: homemade flaxseed gel, Kinky curly custard, Queen Helene Curl royal shaping creme.
  • SamanthascurlzSamanthascurlz Posts: 1,082Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Everyone is using this word: "porosity," what is it exactly? And how do you know?
    CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
    Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
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  • HoneycurlsHoneycurls Posts: 1,889Registered Users
    bellavie wrote: »
    I have the same issue but I've never tried the cold water and or apple cider vinegar. I'll have to test that one out.
    Julie

    Me, too. Well, I don't know about the cold water, though...maybe in the summer! I've had ACV on my shopping list for about a week...I've been worried in the past about it drying my hair out. I thought that conditioners were supposed to close the cuticles...?

    Will try the ACV and report back.
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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 12,231Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Definitely post back and tell us what way/how much you used. I've never tried ACV - I'm always afraid it will dry out my hair.
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • TalmaTalma Posts: 9Registered Users
    OMG Finally someone who has the same problem that I have been dealing with for the last 3 years! I have what I believe to be 3C/4a mix (not sure though) high porosity hair that is waist length when fully stretched but boomerangs right back up to arm pit length when worn in a WnG.

    I've tried the Curly Like Me method to deal with this problem but it gave me bullet proof hair if I applied enough conditioner to kill the frizz that goes from roots to mid-shaft and left my hair fro'ed out if only a moderate amount of conditioner was used. You may think I exaggerate but it felt like plastic coils. Literally the upper half of my hair will frizz out to the point of being an afro and the bottom half of my hair will lie in cute little ringlets just like Side Show Bob...my hair's mocking me I tell you! :tongue1:

    Anyway, ACVs when I tried them in the past left my hair super dry and feeling like straw. Cold rinses gave me headaches. Moderate hold gels like LA Looks Nutra Curl (#8 hold) gave me similar results as the Curly Like Me method but not as stiff and still with frizzy roots...I would apply the gel over a LI (Shea Moisture)

    I'm now starting to use a protein conditioner for the porosity problem and will try coconut oil as a sealer to see how my WnGs look. So far the protein LI alone isn't the best but I've only tried it once. I haven't worn my hair unstretched in over a year but have been using coconut oil for heavy oiling the night before wash day, Co washing (or lo-pooing), apply heavier conditioner as a LI, detangle with a paddle brush for more defined curls, set in 6-8 braids and air dry overnight. Braid out and go. This leaves my hair moisturized and my curl pattern stays pretty close to what it is when wet. (for some reason the curls don't conform to the shape of the braids too well.) This is the best way that I have found to counteract the frizz and shrinkage. By day 4 the curls are stringy but it's time to wash again anyway.

    I've also just read a thread about spritz & condish and it supposedly helps with frizz a lot. I was planning to give it a go next wash day.
    Medium/Normal/Normal
    3c/4a curly with waist length hair looking to stop the evil shrinkage monster in its tracks...wait, that sounds like a creepy personals ad...
  • frmpresstocurlyfrmpresstocurly Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I am having the same problem. Frizzy roots defined ends. I do the CG method, different gels and I did the aphogee two step yesterday nothing has seemed to help. This is very frustrating. Help please
  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,784Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    This was frustrating to me as well, but I learned that making sure the roots are covered is just as important as the ends.

    **Use a leave-in before styler (If your hair is very dry)
    **Make sure the styler makes your hair (roots)
    feel slippery.

    Choosing the right products makes a difference as well. Sometimes using two styling products may be needed as well.
    Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
     *This list is not exhaustive...
    CoWash: various
    DT: various
    Leave-in: 100% Mafura butter, Shima Hair Leave-in 
    Stylers: MoroccanOil Curl Defining Cream, various
    Spritz/Sealant:not now
    *experimenting and loving it!

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