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Does 4c really exist?? Or 4z

MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
I have been hearing of the 4c hair type as well as 4z, but i was wondering is there really one? Did Andre Walker create these hair types after naturally curly posted their breakdown of the hair types? And I have seen plenty of variations of other hair types because no one's hair is the same.. Is it possible that what we are classifying as 4c,4z,etc is really a form of 4b hair? :afro:
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  • KinkyQuirkyKinkyQuirky Posts: 41Registered Users
    Okay, when people say "4z" it's a joke to exaggerate how nappy/kinky/coarse, whatever you prefer to say, it is. As for 4c...it wasn't in Andre's original system people on the web added it on 'cause apparently we needed another category. I'm still lookin' for some pictures of "4c" hair.:hmph:
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    I'm searching as of this second...and i am also looking for "Z" shaped hair, but I can't seem to find that either...my hair isn't "Z" shaped, yet it's not as defined as 4a hair would be... and I've noticed that NC identified 4b as "kinky crimpy" and 4c as "kinky ziggly" :shock: now I'm even more confused... I'm just gonna stick to type 4 in general... :afro: i love my curls either way it goes :headbang:
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  • NoodleNapsNoodleNaps Posts: 463Registered Users
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')


    wth @ the bolded...huh?
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  • NoodleNapsNoodleNaps Posts: 463Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')


    wth @ the bolded...huh?

    Lol- MzKye said above that's how NC describes 4b and 4c.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    coilynapp wrote: »
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')


    wth @ the bolded...huh?

    Lol- MzKye said above that's how NC describes 4b and 4c.
    oh hell...really?

    wtf? what they hell is "ziggly"...gosh.
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    lol yes...when i was on NC searching products in my hair type i saw kinky crimpy and kinky ziggly on the side to filter my search....lol i'll add a link to show you...
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    "You never find yourself until you face the truth."-- Pearl Bailey

    :afro: :wav: :blob2:
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    Oh dear! You're right...smh
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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')


    wth @ the bolded...huh?

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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')

    that's what i'm confused about also... it took me a while to figure out the difference between 4a and 4b cuz that "Z" shaped strands thing threw me off...and now we have a 4c.... the ziggly curls...yay :tongue2: this kinda reminds me of when they created that new zodiac sign.. ophiuchus... or when they discovered pluto wasn't a planet...it's not that much of a biggie tho... :D
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  • coilypoocoilypoo Posts: 36Registered Users
    Originally there's only 4a nd 4b. But 4a coils can be pretty big compared to my penspring nd smaller coils. So I think some people describe tiiny coils as 4b nd kinky lil to no definition as 4c
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    coilypoo wrote: »
    Originally there's only 4a nd 4b. But 4a coils can be pretty big compared to my penspring nd smaller coils. So I think some people describe tiiny coils as 4b nd kinky lil to no definition as 4c

    This is the definition I used to go by...but still confusing because people go by clumping as well.

    Although I don't know about 4c
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    I agree... And I'm curious of what NC's definition of 4c will be... Other than ziggly...
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    The description of 4C will be....
    I mean crimply and ziggly are taken

    maybe it will be kinky krinkly :lol:

    please forum gods, do not add a 4c, please?!
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    The description of 4C will be....
    I mean crimply and ziggly are taken

    maybe it will be kinky krinkly :lol:

    please forum gods, do not add a 4c, please?!

    +1 LOL dido... Or kinky ex-crimply... Lol and there's enough trouble getting 4b ppl to claim 4b... Just imagine the number of viewers on 4c...
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  • forbeeforbee Posts: 441Registered Users
    "kinky ziggly"??? wtf?
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    forbee wrote: »
    "kinky ziggly"??? wtf?

    Lol that's what I was like...
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    forbee wrote: »
    "kinky ziggly"??? wtf?
    that was exactly my reaction. I don't even go to the typing areas or to curlmart so I was like O-o
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  • MzKyeMzKye Posts: 58Registered Users
    That was my first time looking out of boredom... Idk how that would help anything...they just made ppl thoroughly confused with that...
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  • NoodleNapsNoodleNaps Posts: 463Registered Users
    MzKye wrote: »
    NoodleNaps wrote: »
    Yeah I've been noticing the description '4c' more and more, recently. I always thought (though pretty useless and a really narrow way of classifying what is essentially millions of unique heads of curls, kinks, coils, etc) 4a meant visibly clumping curls and coils all the way down to coffee stirrer sized, and 4b was non-clumping kinks, essentially.

    I have a mixture off all sorts- pen sized, pen-spring, coffee stirrer, and loads of the non-clumping stuff, so I just describe myself as in the 4's (though if people want a more accurate description, leaning more towards 4b). I just find it all very subjective and confusing, and this "4c" has me even more confused than ever (as apparently is whoever coined the terms 'kinky crimpy' and 'kinky ziggly')

    that's what i'm confused about also... it took me a while to figure out the difference between 4a and 4b cuz that "Z" shaped strands thing threw me off...and now we have a 4c.... the ziggly curls...yay :tongue2: this kinda reminds me of when they created that new zodiac sign.. ophiuchus... or when they discovered pluto wasn't a planet...it's not that much of a biggie tho... :D

    Lol!
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    Terressentials Pure Earth Mud Wash; Elucence MBC (now really just for cowashing, leg shaving or emergencies); Curl Junkie: Repair Me, Deep Fix, Curl Rehab; AOHSR (retiring); Oyin Handmade: Honey Hemp, Hair Dew, J&B; Qhemet Biologics: BRBC (retiring- prefer Oyin HD), AOHC, OHHB; Jojoba Oil for scalp; Castor Oil or Shea butter to seal; Henna & Ayurvedic pastes when I can be bothered.

    Still searching for the perfect stylers, but loving CJ CIAB over everything so far
  • ravenm721ravenm721 Posts: 80Registered Users
    MzKye wrote: »
    I'm searching as of this second...and i am also looking for "Z" shaped hair, but I can't seem to find that either...my hair isn't "Z" shaped, yet it's not as defined as 4a hair would be... and I've noticed that NC identified 4b as "kinky crimpy" and 4c as "kinky ziggly" :shock: now I'm even more confused... I'm just gonna stick to type 4 in general... :afro: i love my curls either way it goes :headbang:

    I've never seen a z-stand in my life either. Whatever that means, there are none in my hair...
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  • MalxMalx Posts: 72Registered Users
    ravenm721 wrote: »
    MzKye wrote: »
    I'm searching as of this second...and i am also looking for "Z" shaped hair, but I can't seem to find that either...my hair isn't "Z" shaped, yet it's not as defined as 4a hair would be... and I've noticed that NC identified 4b as "kinky crimpy" and 4c as "kinky ziggly" :shock: now I'm even more confused... I'm just gonna stick to type 4 in general... :afro: i love my curls either way it goes :headbang:

    I've never seen a z-stand in my life either. Whatever that means, there are none in my hair...

    The majority of my hair are z-shaped. Like my hair looks like i used a crimper on it. My mainly 4b hair has almost no coils or curls. There are some looser portions that form Afro-waves.
    And as far as ziggly is concerned... I gotta look that word up...
  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    Could you post a picture?

    Yeahhhhhboi, Im on my smartphone!!!
  • MalxMalx Posts: 72Registered Users
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  • MalxMalx Posts: 72Registered Users
    So I posted 3 images.
    Pic 1- hair with KCKT and Uncle Funky's Daughter (UFD) Curly Magic (a soft hold natural gel... awesome stuff)
    Pic 2- damp hair with KCKT and UFD Curly magic
    Pic 3- wet, out the shower hair with no product (my hair is very course so it never gets drenched)

    I have some 4a at the nape, so you may see some coils/curls at the bottom. But aside from that the rest of my hair doesn't coil up (no amount of gel or manipulation will make it do so), I have tight z's on the sides and above the nape, and loose z-pattern at the front, and extremely loose z-pattern (or as I like to call it an afro-wavy texture at the crown).

    Hope that helps. I would love to find some hair twins/sisters/cuzzo's... so holla at me...
  • AlikaIssaAlikaIssa Banned Posts: 339Banned Users
    Malx wrote: »
    So I posted 3 images.
    Pic 1- hair with KCKT and Uncle Funky's Daughter (UFD) Curly Magic (a soft hold natural gel... awesome stuff)
    Pic 2- damp hair with KCKT and UFD Curly magic
    Pic 3- wet, out the shower hair with no product (my hair is very course so it never gets drenched)

    I have some 4a at the nape, so you may see some coils/curls at the bottom. But aside from that the rest of my hair doesn't coil up (no amount of gel or manipulation will make it do so), I have tight z's on the sides and above the nape, and loose z-pattern at the front, and extremely loose z-pattern (or as I like to call it an afro-wavy texture at the crown).

    Hope that helps. I would love to find some hair twins/sisters/cuzzo's... so holla at me...

    Thanks for posting the pics :icon_smile:

    You have beautiful hair!
  • MalxMalx Posts: 72Registered Users
    @alikalsaa thank u very much, I think that's the first time some1 called my hair beautiful...
    I wish I could have u call my mom & tell her that... Lol (she's a hater)
  • AlikaIssaAlikaIssa Banned Posts: 339Banned Users
    Malx wrote: »
    @alikalsaa thank u very much, I think that's the first time some1 called my hair beautiful...
    I wish I could have u call my mom & tell her that... Lol (she's a hater)

    Other people probably notice how beautiful your hair is too but some people are not comfortable complimenting others.
  • ttlollattlolla Posts: 948Registered Users
    I like your hair too
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