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Dont know if I believe my stylist?!?

MaybcurlyMaybcurly Posts: 2Registered Users
Hi so I want to start off saying i'm new to all of this and I decided I want to have comepletly natural hair and to cut off most of my damaged permed, colored,and just really messed up hair. I went to a natural hair salon in baltimore to get it cut. When she was wasing it she told me that my hair was was not really curling up and that I had over processed my hair by flat ironing it too much, she said it permenatly straightened it. Now I havent really seen my natural hair since I was little (I'm 20 now) so is what she said possible or is it more likely I mightjust have kind of straight/wavy hair

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  • alsaxonalsaxon Posts: 734Registered Users
    More than likely your stylist is correct. Heat damage happens more often than not.
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  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Flat ironing can be really damaging if the tool is too hot. Chemical damage and heat damage can cause people have to transition.
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  • beautyisfun1beautyisfun1 Posts: 15Registered Users
    When your hair is that damaged from all the heat and chemicals it will change the appearance permanently and it will look like that until it's been cut off or grown out. She is correct.
  • FabledBeautyFabledBeauty Posts: 145Registered Users
    Heat Damage is definitely a real thing... but dont despair.. Ive read different articles and things of people who have nursed a good amount of their curl pattern back. Itll take work but definitely check it out.. alot of protein to help restore the bonds and other conditioners to keep your hair happy instead of thirsty and babying it every chance you get...
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  • curlsr2funcurlsr2fun Banned Posts: 269Banned Users
    It's real. After a month or two of growing it out with no heat you'll have a more realistic picture of what your natural texture looks like. My hair appeared to be growing out of my head completely straight from years of going flat ironing at the salon every week or two. My natural texture is 3c.
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  • MaybcurlyMaybcurly Posts: 2Registered Users
    Thanks for the help what are some things I could do to help restore my curls if anyone knows?

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  • alsaxonalsaxon Posts: 734Registered Users
    Maybcurly wrote: »
    Thanks for the help what are some things I could do to help restore my curls if anyone knows?

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    Usually the answer is cutting away the heat damaged hair but first you can try protein treatments to restore the curl. Nexxus Emergencee or Aphogee or good ones. Be sure to follow the instructions and follow up with a deep moisturizing conditioner. These are both strong protein treatments so you don't want to use them and just go about your business. You need deep moisture afterwards. Hope this helps.
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  • FabledBeautyFabledBeauty Posts: 145Registered Users
    the BEST protein treatment I have EVER used.. and ive used a few... is the Colorful neutral protein filler.. this stuff is amazing and you can tell a huge difference immediately.. something I dont always see from some products...
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  • lovenadialovenadia Posts: 20Registered Users
    She's probably right, i'm growing out my heat damage currently.
  • curlyberrycurlyberry Posts: 549Registered Users
    This is the first I've ever actually heard of this! Does your ng feel really straight when you wash it or anything?
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  • cam.washcam.wash Posts: 35Registered Users
    Maybcurly wrote: »
    Hi so I want to start off saying i'm new to all of this and I decided I want to have comepletly natural hair and to cut off most of my damaged permed, colored,and just really messed up hair. I went to a natural hair salon in baltimore to get it cut. When she was wasing it she told me that my hair was was not really curling up and that I had over processed my hair by flat ironing it too much, she said it permenatly straightened it. Now I havent really seen my natural hair since I was little (I'm 20 now) so is what she said possible or is it more likely I mightjust have kind of straight/wavy hair

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    Yes if have seen any of my post, I am going through the same exact thing. Flat ironing my hair for 5+ years at 400 degrees setting. Killed the curl permanently if you can see my pic dry and lifeless. This summer I decided to go CG and give up the FI for good (unless a rare special occasion comes up). With my hair being almost armpit length I did not want to cut it all off to the new growth. My stylist said that is the only way to get rid of the heat damaged hair but she also had other suggestions too like layers. What has really helped me was getting rounded layers so I kept some length and my shorter hair is just spiraling up and covers the bottom layer she also said going CG is the best thing you can do for curly hair and promises me I will see a dramatic change in no time. Depending on your hair thickness and curl pattern you may need long layers, or face frame, etc. I will upload a pic of my new cut too, I just got it this weekend! I LOVE,LOVE,LOVE it!!!
    I have been conditioning like crazy, 1-2 DC a week, and in just a few weeks time my hair is almost back to natural state. But honestly the cut has helped my hair look 110% better.
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  • cam.washcam.wash Posts: 35Registered Users
    the BEST protein treatment I have EVER used.. and ive used a few... is the Colorful neutral protein filler.. this stuff is amazing and you cant tell a huge difference immediately.. something I dont always see from some products...

    Since I am in the same predicament I wanted to ask you FabledBeauty or any of you curlies...
    Is CNPF ok to use for as a leave in underneath gel by following the dilution method for non colored hair?
    I was recommended this product from a thread I posted. My hair has never been dyed and since it's like a developer im curious if it will fade or affect my natural hair color?
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  • daymakerzdaymakerz Posts: 5Registered Users
    Hello :roll:
    While I am new to this site, I am not new to hair as that is my profession.
    To answer your question. Yes you can ultimately change your natural hair formation with repeated use of a thermal styling tool( flat iron,blow dryer etc)
  • pprMACHEheartpprMACHEheart Posts: 1,665Registered Users
    Heat damage is a very real thing.
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  • FabledBeautyFabledBeauty Posts: 145Registered Users
    Your natural hair color will be just fine and I was skeptical at first as well but I saw the great results my mom was using so when I'm preparing a bottle of my spritz I put some glycerin, my con dish, almond oil and now a touch of the filler

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  • StayCStayC Posts: 107Registered Users
    I have blown my hair straight for over 30 years and flat ironed it for the past 6 years and i still have curls. They may not be what they looked like when I was a child, but honestly I don't recall what I looked like with curls. I'm just finding this so hard to believe that constant heat can take your curl away. That's crazy.


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  • cam.washcam.wash Posts: 35Registered Users
    mophead wrote: »
    I have blown my hair straight for over 30 years and flat ironed it for the past 6 years and i still have curls. They may not be what they looked like when I was a child, but honestly I don't recall what I looked like with curls. I'm just finding this so hard to believe that constant heat can take your curl away. That's crazy.


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    Hi Mophead! Just like you I want to disbelieve this but in all honesty it is true. I have put hours of research into recovering hair because yes my hair was still curly but not remotely close to what it looked before. Mostly all of the articles I read say the same thing, "it is impossible to completely repair damaged hair without cutting it off, but you can restore some of it's strength, luster, and quality." I can say that is pretty true going CG has helped alot my roots are growing in 3C and the heat damaged length is looser 3B but looks healthy and shiny...by chance do you experience that problem w/ your roots?
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  • StayCStayC Posts: 107Registered Users
    cam.wash wrote: »
    mophead wrote: »
    I have blown my hair straight for over 30 years and flat ironed it for the past 6 years and i still have curls. They may not be what they looked like when I was a child, but honestly I don't recall what I looked like with curls. I'm just finding this so hard to believe that constant heat can take your curl away. That's crazy.


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    Hi Mophead! Just like you I want to disbelieve this but in all honesty it is true. I have put hours of research into recovering hair because yes my hair was still curly but not remotely close to what it looked before. Mostly all of the articles I read say the same thing, "it is impossible to completely repair damaged hair without cutting it off, but you can restore some of it's strength, luster, and quality." I can say that is pretty true going CG has helped alot my roots are growing in 3C and the heat damaged length is looser 3B but looks healthy and shiny...by chance do you experience that problem w/ your roots?

    Oh yes! my roots/canopy is flat, but the new growth that is coming in is wildly weirdly curly and it's standing up and making a funny curl. I guess once it grows a little more, I'll loose the buckwheat top. :happy5: I'm going the end of August for my Deva Cut, so hopefully after that I'll loose some of the flat top. It is strange though, the outside of my hair looks like S waves and the underneath has corkicelli's. I guess I didn't ruin the underneath of my hair. I still don't think the outer layer of hair looks all that healthy, but underneath does; however, since i started with CG, I've noticed a 75% improvement.
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  • cam.washcam.wash Posts: 35Registered Users
    Oh yes! my roots/canopy is flat, but the new growth that is coming in is wildly weirdly curly and it's standing up and making a funny curl. I guess once it grows a little more, I'll loose the buckwheat top. :happy5: I'm going the end of August for my Deva Cut, so hopefully after that I'll loose some of the flat top. It is strange though, the outside of my hair looks like S waves and the underneath has corkicelli's. I guess I didn't ruin the underneath of my hair. I still don't think the outer layer of hair looks all that healthy, but underneath does; however, since i started with CG, I've noticed a 75% improvement.[/QUOTE]

    ME TOO!!! I got my hair cut in June I showed my stylist how my curls were so tight underneath and flat on top she suggested layers and will prevent the triangle effect and get rid of some of the looser top canopy of curls. I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER with that decision i love it!!! She did say that my hair is damaged but not to the point that she recommends cutting all the way to my new growth that we can do a lot with the length while it transitions. . .
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    Seal-> EVCO
    Style-> KCCC
    SOTC-> KCGP
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