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No cones no sulfates

PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
Today I started my real hair care journey of NO SILICONES; Therefore, NO harsh-surfactant and nutrient-robbing SULFATE ingredient shampoo.

I will update this first post with my progress including PICS, products I got rid of, and products I believe are safe.

This is me, fresh out the shower, from my last sulfate shampoo wash and put a little conditioner back in and some gel.

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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    DAY 2
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    These are the products I have to throw away 

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    This is 2nd day hair with new
    NO CONE Regiment. It's not as thick as it normally is but I already see some benefits if I keep going long term:

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    I lose about 6-7 inches to shrinkage. I might choose the NO COMBING method too but one step at a time.

    I'm not saying whether cones are bad because there is no conclusive evidence of that but there is evidence that the shampoos required to remove the coney buildup are harsh and very damaging to the hair.

    I figure if I'm going to have hair then I might as well have naturally healthy hair and not just hair that looks good because it's coated with products that contain cones. I was watching some YouTube videos and when after people wash their hair it looks dry, thin, course, and not healthy until after they load products back in. I don't want that. I want healthy hair with and without products.

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  • dandt1995dandt1995 Posts: 89Registered Users
    Hair is looking good dude. Keep up the good work!
    Conditioner: Axe: Just Soft Conditioner

    Shampoo: Taliah Waajid - Total Body Shampoo

    Styling Product - Axe: Style and Shine
    Pomade
    & Ampro Styl Gel

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  • ttlollattlolla Posts: 948Registered Users
    I am actually interested in this experiment, keep us updated

    ETA : don't be quick to get rid of all the old stuff, what if ...... U need the them
  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    dandt1995 wrote: »
    Hair is looking good dude. Keep up the good work!

    Thanks for the kindness!!


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    ttlolla wrote: »
    I am actually interested in this experiment, keep us updated

    ETA : don't be quick to get rid of all the old stuff, what if ...... U need the them

    I understand lol because I was especially concerned that I just spent $30 for conditioner but...I have to seriously consider sticking to my experiment even though I do attribute my quick hair growth to constantly co-washing with those Organix conditioners.

    But again I want to see the real results 5 months down the road and have to just toss that stuff out
    $ :( $


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    DAY 2 - PROTECTIVE STYLING
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    This is my hair in protective style for playing sports:

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    I wore my hair today inside a bandana. Now that I don't use SILICONE based products I can't use my Morroccan Oil that had UV protection.

    I researched today about the gel I am able to use is most products that are stored in clear containers already contain UV protective ingredients as not to discolor the product which is exposed to light.

    So I packed on my NO CONE gel, that is supposed to be packed with proteins and other good stuff, on top of my conditioner :) I used a little of my rinse out (RI) conditioner as my leave-in (LI) conditioner and it is the Suave Naturals Tropical CocoNut:

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    This is the gel I use that is supposed to be very good for my new regiment. It's called "La Bella Gel" sold at Target:

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  • ChuckChuck Posts: 42Registered Users
    Your hair rocks dude! I'll bet it feels a lot lighter without the cones.

    That's a lot of product to trash. Maybe you could give it to someone on freecycle.

    I need to figure out how to wear a bandana like that. I work as a machinist and that would be useful to keep the oil out of my hair.
    Rake and shake, Scrunch and plop!
  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    @CHUCK

    Hey man thanks!!

    I put the bandana close on my eyebrows, tucked behind my ears on the side, and then tied way down low by my neck under all the hair. Then just fluff the hair that's sticking out.


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    DAY 3 and 4 and PICS
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    On Day 3 which [3rd day hair] I got a lot of compliments the next day on how the hair seemed more defined and looked like it just blew in the wind LMAO :)

    I think I'm gonna try that Kinky Curling Custard but not sure if I want to pay $20 for that small container.

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    DAY 4
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    Last night I co-washed with 2
    NO CONE conditioners. I learned that you use one conditioner to gently massage and scrub the scalp then your second conditioner to detangle and rinse.

    I am finding out that my hair styles respond better when I apply styling products in steps, wait an hour, and then rewet and style with a gel to seal. I have about 4 different curl patterns and they have to be taken into account.

    To attain great 2nd Day and even 3rd day hair I found it useful to seal with a hard hold gel and then immediately style for 1st day hair considering first day will include crunchy curls.

    Then when 2nd an 3rd day arrive just finger comb and gently massage out the hair which is enclosed in the hard gel encasings. You might decide to keep some of the hard more shiny pieces and you can also separate the larger clumps to add more volume and depth.

    This is my second day hair after waking up and fingering out some of the crunchy gel. I also scrunched. You can't tell in the pictures but there's a lot of depth.

    Looks like I cut several inches of hair but it's just shrinks up a lot when it dries. Also, I used regular conditioner as my leave-in so it's kinda stringy but doable for now:

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    Back of my hair so you can see it is curly too.

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    WAYS TO IMPROVE
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    I need to get a hold on the frizz and estranged pieces. I hate the estranged pieces because they dry by themselves and don't appear to have any direction or purpose other than they are wavy or curly but very thin and lonely looking.

    Also, I think I'm gonna try to not use any gel just creamy leave-in but I have no clue which leave-in is free of CONES.

    I just started growing my hair last year from this so I have NO IDEA ABOUT HAIR PRODUCTS an just found out leave-in conditioner existed about 2 months ago:

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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    Today I bought "Kinky Curly - Curling Custard"

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    I have no clue how to use it I just hope I don't end up eating it cause it smells like marshmallows.

    I don't know what to do with it :) but I was told a curl enhancer can help promote curls. I think this goes on before I put regular gel on or something.

    Anyone ever use this?? I know the guys area rarely gets views so might check back next month to see if there's any comments LOL :)


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    About to give this Curly Custard a try. Let's see if it works for me.

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    NOW sitting in meeting with client and I smell like bubblegum and marshmallows.

    I'm gonna have to put another product in with this cause it's not a good smell for the guys....or at least not for me

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  • dandt1995dandt1995 Posts: 89Registered Users
    PRINCETON wrote: »
    Today I bought "Kinky Curly - Curling Custard"

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    I have no clue how to use it I just hope I don't end up eating it cause it smells like marshmallows.

    I don't know what to do with it :) but I was told a curl enhancer can help promote curls. I think this goes on before I put regular gel on or something.

    Anyone ever use this?? I know the guys area rarely gets views so might check back next month to see if there's any comments LOL :)


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    I heard people talk about it how great it works! The only thing about it is, it's pink and smells too girly. I wish they would make a line a products just for men who have curly hair. Something that smells masculine, and have a masculine name. So we won't be ashamed to say what we use lol.
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    Shampoo: Taliah Waajid - Total Body Shampoo

    Styling Product - Axe: Style and Shine
    Pomade
    & Ampro Styl Gel

    Hair Type: 4a
  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    I have seen several men on her website ask her to make a product, or at least packaging for men. You should add your name(s) to the numbers over there - it might work!

    kinky-curly.com

    @Princeton: use it like you would a gel - rake or shingle it through hair after your leave-in (and sealer, if you use), and think twice about using another gel over it. It gives pretty hard hold on its own. If anything over it, I use a serum to cut out the rest of the frizz (although the curling custard does well with that)
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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    @dandt1995

    IKR and I mean I was dead in the middle of training the clients employees and smelled like I was chewing bubbleYUM




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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    @SageHen

    How many guys have requested already cause does it seem like they might listen??

    And then there's not a single guy on their website. I actually like the product but won't buy anymore if there's not a more woodsy or pine smell or something natural but for guys.



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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    Today's Hair [PIC]

    I don't think I used the KINKY CURLY CURLING CUSTARD (KCCC) custard the right way but I did like how it left my hair light yet had a firm hold.

    I only had 5 minutes after I got out the shower to do my hair so I just grabbed the KCCC and layered it on top. I did scrunch it in certain places.

    My hair almost seemed to curl up instantly without effort. If I had taken my time like normal (45 minutes) then I bet my results would have been better. I didn't even get a chance to use any conditioner for moisture after the co-wash.

    While I have relatively low porosity my hair does enjoy a large load of product at times. But the more product I use the more shrinkage occurs.

    This is me about 13 hours later. I will post a pic tomorrow after I cowash and style using KCCC
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    At this point I don't think I would buy the Kinky-Curly product line again because I wanted to have more product than 8oz for the $20 that I paid on this small container.

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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    This gel FLAKES

    Although it has been 24 hours in my hair just an FYI Kinky Curly Curling Custard has tendency to flake.


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  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    It doesn't flake unless you have used too much, and make sure you don't have any other product buildup in your hair. Those are the only times I have see flakes. In the case of product buildup, I just washed (with shampoo, containing coco betaine to remove 'cones or buildup) and started over - HATED to waste the KCCC, because it's expensive. When I used too much, I just diffused it until dry, and the next day sprayed with water to re-set. Try shampooing and using less next time you style. And using a leave-in without silicones (I think you are already doing that).

    Also, try Queen Helene's Royal Curl Curl Shamping Gel (or Creme - I can't remember the name). I understand from several women on the 4a board that it gives them similar results at a much lower price (about $8 for 15 oz).

    I can actually vouch for Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel (about $7 for 8 oz) on vitacost.com or any health food store. It give nice, but not super hard, hold, is flax-seed based but I felt gave me more crunch than KCCC, but you can easily scrunch it out. It cut down on frizz a LOT, but not as much as KCCC.
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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    @SageHEN Thanks. I only used KCCC since I washed out the gel from before and also after doing my last sulfate shampoo so there was only water in my hair. I didn't use the KCCC in conjunction with any product at all and I didn't use a lot of the KCCC cause I had a meeting and didn't want to wait for my hair to dry.

    I don't know how to difuse.

    I will try the other products you mention because If I spend that type of money it's gonna be for a big bottle of Rusk lol KCCC is such a small sample for $20

    I usually don't let product stay in my hair for longer than 12 hours so that might be why it got flakey and also because it's all natural or something.

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  • fonkifonki Posts: 353Registered Users
    Thanks for posting Yr results... This is really interesting & helpful
  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    I bought new Products [PICS]
    Today I acquired these conditioners to replace all the ones I threw away.

    ## TRESemmé Naturals $5 Target

    ## Giovanni Smooth as Silk Deep Moisture $13 TJMaxx

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    Both are cone-free and they appear to be about 99% all natural with certified organic ingredients.

    I heard great reviews on how Giovanni smells like its formulated for men. I will update you all with my findings.

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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    fonki wrote: »
    Thanks for posting Yr results... This is really interesting & helpful

    I enjoy it. Thanks!


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    KCCC & COWASH FROM HELL

    They need to include instructions on that Kinky Curly Curling Custard KCCC on how to remove it from the hair.

    I was in the shower with soaking wet hair and bucket loads of conditioner trying to detangle with just my fingers.

    After about 1 hours I just turned the water off and stood in the mirror. The KCCC is more like glue than a gel. No wonder it's known to defrizz cause it glues your hair together. I only used my fingers to separate sections and finger from tip up to my roots.

    I lost so much hair you would've thought I was doing a big chop BC!!

    The bad part is KCCC is a great product. Makes the curls look phenomenal but the rinsing out is not what's up. They need to supply a removal product. My suggestion is wet the hair and put on a plastic cap for about 2 hours and let the product dissolve somehow.


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    Tonight I CoWashed with the 2 conditioners I bought today.

    ## My first use of Giovanni is not spectacular. The conditioner smells like orange hand cleaner you find at an auto mechanic shop sink. The consistency is not as thick as I would have liked for that price. I think it has proteins because I it turns white like toothpaste after a while of detangling with a wide tooth comb.

    ## TRESemmé Naturals is THE BOMB =) I was completely satisfied with the product performance and the smell is unbelievable. If they wanted to charge $30 for that conditioner instead of $5 they would have every right and I'd gladly pay. I'm looking forward to my next cowash because that product made it an experience and not just a task. If you love extremely thick and creamy conditioner then look no further. You would think they were paying me to write this but I assure you of every word I said about this product.

    I'm always buying new conditioners so I can't say I won't look beyond this one but I know I can always trust it especially since it is cone-free.

    Now I just need to see if TRESemmé has a cone-free leave-in conditioner that's hydrating and smells just like the naturals conditioner.


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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    OVERALL UPDATE

    Things I'm still questioning or trying to understand are:

    1. What is a denman brush and where can I buy one??

    2. I'm uncomfortable with having my hair come forward. I want to pull some hair into the front but I don't know it that would give me "man bangs" LOL The whole purpose in my hair experiment was to create hairstyles the guys can wear that are masculine and sexy at every length as it grows from bald head, medium, long, and ridiculously long.

    3. I want to give up on all gels and holding products. I want the curls to be free flowing and soft to the touch especially since so many people ask to touch my hair. I want them to say that it is soft and not that it is crunchy.

    4. How much shedding or breakage is normal? Does everyone experience some kind of breakage when detangling? Does anybody else get frustrated and even mad when they cowash and get hair in the comb or on the hands?

    5. I didn't expect my hair to grow this fast so is it more effective to just condition as a separate process from showering?

    6. Where can I find a good leave-in that's cone-free?? Do I have to go to specialty hair stores for this?

    7. I have heard of the "a-cone" and I don't ever want to use that but why have some people decided that it was am OK CONE yet I get the vibe that they feel they compromised in choosing to use it in the first place.

    There's a lot I want to know but I'll end this post right here :)

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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    Next Day Hair [PIC]

    That TRESemmé did a good job as a cross-functional conditioner. I cowashed and used it as a leave-in.

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  • Goin'GreyGoin'Grey Posts: 301Registered Users
    Princeton,
    You got to take it light on the curling custard. I will look for the youtube video on how much to apply, that is how I learned. A little goes a long way. I will post video as soon as I find.
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    Wash: Suave Naturals Conds (excluding Coconut), CVSB
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    Style: Naturelle Gel(winter HG), KCCC (summer HG), Flaxseed gel
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  • Goin'GreyGoin'Grey Posts: 301Registered Users
    3A, Protein Senitive, Low Porosity,
    Med-Course
    Wash: Suave Naturals Conds (excluding Coconut), CVSB
    Rinse out/Leave In: GVP Cond. Balm, KCKT,
    Style: Naturelle Gel(winter HG), KCCC (summer HG), Flaxseed gel
    SOTC: JCNS
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  • PRINCETONPRINCETON Posts: 872Registered Users
    @Goin'Grey

    Nice vid. I'll retry because it does make the curls look real good. I'm in that migration period of used to like crunchy but now loving super soft. I'll use a much smaller amount than what she used in the vid and this time make sure to rinse out and end of day.


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