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Is it ok if I never DT?

I've never done DT's before I found this site, and when I read about everyone doing them I thought I must be missing out on essential curly hair maintenance. I did one and it was FAR too rich and I ended up with fluff. My hair can be dry but usually leaving in my regular conditioner after that leaves it ok.

Does all hair need a DT or can some get away without and still be healthy? I do colour my hair every 3 months or so and it's not perfect by any means...

cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


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  • NessyNessy Posts: 788Registered Users
    I feel the same way :). I used to do DTs but I haven't in about 2 years. I just use a conditioner and leave it in for about 2 minutes and then rinse it out. Sometimes I think I should DT, but I don't feel my hair really needs it. It depends on the person's hair - if your hair is healthy without DTs then just keep doing what you're doing.
  • curlsofnycurlsofny Posts: 478Registered Users
    I never DT either; my feeling is that if you are putting good products into your hair with good ingredients, you should be fine. Aside from still trying to find the right styling gel and/or cream, I think my hair is healthy as it is. Plus I am the queen of conditioners!! Everyone's hair is different, so go with what works for you.
  • katethegreatkatethegreat Posts: 801Registered Users
    I only DT if I have to use strong shampoo for some reason, like buildup. After that my hair is so dry that I need a DT. But that's pretty rare. I normally just leave in most of my conditioner.
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  • Ab-starAb-star Posts: 1,128Registered Users
    I usually only DT after doing an ACV rinse. It's possible that your hair doesn't need one or maybe you just need to try a different one.
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  • sherry7899sherry7899 Posts: 897Registered Users
    I'm not sure if my hair needs them either. It seems pretty healthy.

    The last one I tried was [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl's WDT[/buylink]. It was too much for my hair-I had flat hair for two days afterwards.

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  • KeeweeKeewee Posts: 1,376Registered Users
    gee all this talk about DTs is making me want to do one.... I am so bored..
  • Ab-starAb-star Posts: 1,128Registered Users
    Keewee wrote:
    gee all this talk about DTs is making me want to do one.... I am so bored..

    Wanna come help me clean house? We could do DT's while we clean! :D
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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    I hear ya, I don't do it either. I made myself do them religously every Sunday for a good month but then stopped. Frankly, I just don't have the patience for it. At this point the only way that I will ever get into a dt routine again is if I go to a salon and have someone else do them otherwise I will stick with my regular routine. :lol:
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  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Jenny your hair is fabulous, if you don't need to DT then don't hon
    I do it if my hair needs it but generally it doesn't. I condition enough already I think and anything more just pulls my curl out.
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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    JerseyCurl:

    Did you do them because you needed them or because you thought you had to? If it's the first one, maybe you were making a big production out of it. I've noticed there's a lot of misinformations about doing DTs.

    Just so you all see what I mean I'll give you an example. I read last night an old thread where people were slathering oils on their head and then sitting under a hot dryer for 30 mins. :shock: More is not always better, that really had more in common with basting and roasting than DTing! I remember years ago I used to put a hairdressing cream on my hair and one day I stood at a bus stop for a long while under the sun. Shortly after that I noticed my canopy had become like straw. Oil can't protect from heat, in fact oil + a lot of heat = frying.

    So the need for heat is actually overrated. Those in most need of DTs already have a very open cuticle, so the heat emanating from their own scalps is enough. And in 20-30 mins. hair can absorb plenty; after all, how much "storage" space do you think each single hair has??? So, if I ever leave a DT on my head for an hour you can be sure it was out of sheer distraction and not intentional. Why, just yesterday while in the shower I left my CO on 28 mins. (my hair just clipped on, no cap or heat) while I scrubbed my tub, tiles, shower curtain and myself and as far as my hair was concerned I had DT'd.

    In any case, an oil DT can be done at bedtime by simply massaging a little on the scalp and smoothing some over the canopy and ends of damp (washed) hair or even dry and just wear a sleep bonnet, no need to "marinate" our tresses in puddles of oil that later it's nearly impossible to remove. As for protein packs, most can be done in 5 mins. and don't require heat. I have left them on a little longer but have not noticed any added advantage beyond 10 mins., I doubt you're going to be out of the salon in less than that.
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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    JerseyCurl:

    Did you do them because you needed them or because you thought you had to? If it's the first one, maybe you were making a big production out of it. I've noticed there's a lot of misinformations about doing DTs.

    Just so you all see what I mean I'll give you an example. I read last night an old thread where people were slathering oils on their head and then sitting under a hot dryer for 30 mins. :shock: More is not always better, that really had more in common with basting and roasting than DTing! I remember years ago I used to put a hairdressing cream on my hair and one day I stood at a bus stop for a long while under the sun. Shortly after that I noticed my canopy had become like straw. Oil can't protect from heat, in fact oil + a lot of heat = frying.

    So the need for heat is actually overrated. Those in most need of DTs already have a very open cuticle, so the heat emanating from their own scalps is enough. And in 20-30 mins. hair can absorb plenty; after all, how much "storage" space do you think each single hair has??? So, if I ever leave a DT on my head for an hour you can be sure it was out of sheer distraction and not intentional. Why, just yesterday while in the shower I left my CO on 28 mins. (my hair just clipped on, no cap or heat) while I scrubbed my tub, tiles, shower curtain and myself and as far as my hair was concerned I had DT'd.

    In any case, an oil DT can be done at bedtime by simply massaging a little on the scalp and smoothing some over the canopy and ends of damp (washed) hair or even dry and just wear a sleep bonnet, no need to "marinate" our tresses in puddles of oil that later it's nearly impossible to remove. As for protein packs, most can be done in 5 mins. and don't require heat. I have left them on a little longer but have not noticed any added advantage beyond 10 mins., I doubt you're going to be out of the salon in less than that.
    It was because I thought I had to to have great healthy hair. I mean that is what Ouidad says and some people on this board swear by them. But after having read I don't feel too bad about not doing them ever again. :lol:
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  • SmallFrySmallFry Posts: 614Registered Users
    jennyfurrens, Your hair is so pretty and ringletty, I just love it and it looks really good! So if you've goone this long without doing them and you haven't had any problems then you should be fine doing what you've been doing. There's no need to add an extra step if its not necessary.
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  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    I hardly ever DT anymore. I used to do it while soaking in the tub, but finally realized it wasn't worth the annoyance of the wet dripping while I was trying to read my book. That said, I do notice a big difference when I get a DT with heat done in a salon. A big, big difference. My hair gets smooth & soft & I get some frizz protection that lasts about 2 weeks. The heat makes all the diff -- my hair is dry & porous, but without heat, it just doesn't get the same DT bennies.
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I DT more because I like to, than because I need to. I would say I NEED to DT maybe once every 2-3 months. However, I have some really yummy smelling DT's and I enjoy doing them every few weeks, while I also soak my feet, give myself a manicure, etc. If your hair is fine without them, then I would definitely say don't bother unless you actually want to DT.
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  • Oregano  (formerly babywavy)Oregano (formerly babywavy) Posts: 5,297Registered Users
    If you're taking good care of your hair, using moisturizing products, and ESPECIALLY if you only co wash, doing a DT is probably redundant. Your hair is probably moisturized enough, and it's unnecessary.

    I've also been told by hair stylists that conditioners can only absorb into your hair for about 20 minutes, beyond that it's just sitting there. Kind of like home hair dyes - your hair will eventually absorb as much as it can.
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  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    Thanks for all the responses! I was just checking to make sure I wasn't missing out on some vital haircare. And it's interesting - my hair is very soft and doesn't seem to need a DT at all and I cleanse everytime I wash. Cowashing was just FAR too much for my hair. My hair must be very resiliant to dryness, or at least good at getting moisturised quickly again when it is dry. The other day I went into a sauna which was SO hot and I thought my hair would try out really badly. It did feel like straw after but I washed (with sulfates) then used [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Aloeba-Daily-Conditioner-p-104.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-aloeba-daily-conditioner]Jessicurl Aloeba[/buylink], left in for 2 mins and it was back to being silky soft!

    So i'm happy now :)

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I don't think that everyone needs one. I can see where some of the finer haired curlies wouldn't need them very often.

    I like them weekly, but I have big, coarse hair. I'd wonder if some of the finer haired folks would just get weighed down or overconditioned.
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  • KurleeKurlee Posts: 1,354Registered Users
    I don't DT either. Not even after I have used a clarifying shampoo these days. I used to DT, but my hair gets very easily over conditioned so I have ended up not doing them much at all any more.
    I have noticed that if I just use a leave in every day my hair is happy.

    I don't listen to the gurus much anymore. I am going for what balance my hair needs. Everyone seems to need different things. That is what I believe anyways.

    Seems from your post Jenny that my hair is a little similar to yours with how it needs shampoo and gets easily over conditioned and stuff. I totally can't do what many other people do here with their hair. My hair would die in over-conditioning. :wink:

    If I ever feel my hair is a little dry after I have shampooed it with a clarifying shampoo (which I do maybe once a month because of our very hard water), then I just leave in a bunch of conditioner during an hour under a towel (so no heat). Does the trick for me. This doesn't happen every month.

  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    Kurlee wrote:
    If I ever feel my hair is a little dry after I have shampooed it with a clarifying shampoo (which I do maybe once a month because of our very hard water), then I just leave in a bunch of conditioner during an hour under a towel (so no heat). Does the trick for me. This doesn't happen every month.

    That's really a DT, just like I explained above.

    redcelticcurls:

    I'm fine haired with color-treated hair so sometimes I need to DT. My only scheduled treatment is not really a DT as those described here since it only needs to be left on only "from 3-5 minutes" (but I usually leave it on a few more) and it doesn't require heat. I really like doing DTs with heat and own several different jars of those but I do get limp hair that day (which is ideal prior to thermal straightening); since I'm on CG I don't get to use them as often as I'd like.
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  • KurleeKurlee Posts: 1,354Registered Users
    Kurlee wrote:
    If I ever feel my hair is a little dry after I have shampooed it with a clarifying shampoo (which I do maybe once a month because of our very hard water), then I just leave in a bunch of conditioner during an hour under a towel (so no heat). Does the trick for me. This doesn't happen every month.

    That's really a DT, just like I explained above.


    Yeah I know, I just don't do them very often so in general I don't do DT's.

  • modegrrlmodegrrl Posts: 273Registered Users
    I never do. I just pay attention to how it feels after I rinse out the shampoo. If it feels like it's gonna be dry, I use more conditioner than usual or a richer one. But I usually only have 1 or 2 in my rotation. My gel has moisturizing ingredients like coconut and hemp oils, so I'm good to go.
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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    Hi modegrrl, Happy New Year! I remember you from way back, you circulated a recipe for a winter moisturizing spray for touch-ups (I even seem to remember you used Suave Strawberry, am I correct?). I know you know how to take care of your hair so this question is just out of curiosity: I thought you had been on CG, are you on the modified version?
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    "Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC ;-)
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    Wow if I DT'd every week I'd just have FLUFF all the time. My hair takes about 4 days to recover from a DT :lol: Yep i've only ever DT'd once to experiment and it was a no-goer. It was after I'd coloured my hair too, so when it was at it's driest. Maybe if I lived in a hotter, drier climate I'd need to do them but Scotland is so cold and wet that (even though some curlies say cold weather dries them out) it doesn't need any. I know that when I was in China my hair was a frizz ball allllll the time and I should have been doing DT's but here in Scotland I'm a DT-free zone :P I also use a cream styler every time, under a gel, so maybe that's why my hair is so happy?

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    jenny, I think you're on to something. The climate of coastal Alaska is very similar to the weather in the Highlands & Islands region of Scotland. Humidity rarely falls below 80% here. Perhaps that's why DT's don't do much for me here, & I only have them done in the salon maybe twice per year. What cream do you use btw? Are you referring to the T&G balm...?
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  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    Yep it is indeed the Toni&Guy curl balm that is unfortunately discontinued (so don't try any of their other curl products as all the one's I've seen are loaded with cones!)

    It's pretty similar to the Trevor Sorbie Curl Cream before it got reformulated. I have 5 tubes of it and I really hope something new comes out before my stocks run out!

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Yeah I think the humidity has a lot to do with the DT being necessary or not. 60% is as bone dry as we get here and we maybe get 10 days a year or so seems like of that. Usually it's so humid that when I use a hard hold gel if I have any crunch stepping outside will take that out within minutes.
    It also means I don't generally need a heavy conditioner.

    Dang it JF no wonder I can't find that cream! Ah well one less thing for me to spend money on I guess. I hope you find a suitable substitute.

    ETA: you know your green tea gel has been discontinued too. I found a place that has it but I'm afraid to try it because if I like it I'll not be able to find it again soon. It looks great in your hair though
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  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    Yep both my regular styling products are discontinued :roll: I have 5 tubes of the T&G cream and 2 bottles of the gel. When I first got the gel I didnt like it but they I worked out how to use it so that I do like it. I'd say go for it :wink: It made my hair super crispy and thin when I first used it but by scrunching it out with the Jane Carter nourishing hair creme my hair loves it!

    I'm determined to not hunt for a new gel until I'm half way through my last bottle...

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Wow you're brave waiting that long to find a new gel.
    Did you try [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]Arc Angell[/buylink]? If you did did it not work for you? I can't remember if you did. I just love it but I know some others aren't as crazy about it. It did take me a bit to work out how to use it best too, kind of like you with the green tea one.
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  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    I've got a litre bottle of the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]Arc Angell[/buylink] and a smaller size one too. I tried using it once, there's a photo in my most recent album (the first photo I think). It made my hair really big which I didnt mind but didnt seem to hold up to second day hair too well (not enough hold). And I needed to use a LOT. I tried using it on second day dry hair, several times. And each time it made my hair feel super greasy and producty and generally in good need of a wash. Since its from teh US I dont want to make it my regular gel, as it would be v. expensive to buy but I'm still trying to figure it out really....

    I've only tried it with a cream underneath so I guess I could try it without the cream for more hold? Everyyone says they get crunch with it but I never have - again maybe the cream?

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Yeah I bet it's the cream. I had to scrunch out some of the water in my hair before applying it so I get a lot of crunch. I got quite a lot of crunch today, I was scared my hair was going to not scrunch out ok. It did great though.
    I used a heavier leave in one time with it, no crunch at all that time. I love soft hair but it doesn't stand up to humidity very well.
    It's overcast and 90% humidity or so today and it's holding up well without being greasy.

    Good luck playing with it
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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