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Romney for President?

AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
I probably will never support a Republican for president, but this will be my first time since I began voting (2004 - I was eligible in 2000, but didn't care at that time.) that I will not support a Dem. I likely won't vote at all. I'm disappointed in Obama, and in Congress, too. I was ambivalent toward him in the first place, and didn't think he'd do anything. I don't think anyone can "save" us from bad economic times, but I think he could've done more on some issues that were under his control.

Romney is the only candidate that appeals to me out of the Republicans so far. I'm lately more conservative on economic issues. On social issues, my main one is that I'm a strong environmentalist - I see a new side to it. Romney comes from the most progressive state, environmentally, plus I believe if we take people off SSI (not everyone) that don't belong on it in the first place and stop showering people with food stamps like it's Mardi Gras, maybe people will stop having kids they can't afford. Our governor is doing this in Ohio, and it's one of the few things he does that I support. Yes, I do care how many kids people have when I have to pay for them, and natural resources are decreasing and rising in price. I work for a lawyer who does bankruptcy, and recently a woman came in who has had a heart issue since birth and claimed she couldn't work, yet she has two kids, that she is getting govt. money for. I definitely don't believe in doing away with SSI, but we can't support everyone and thrive as a country! We are competing against countries who have a survival of the fittest mantra, as life was designed to be.

Therefore, this Democrat is keeping an open mind in this upcoming election. Romney makes the most sense, IMO, because he has the business sense to make cuts in the right areas, not take scissors to everything like my gov. is doing. I do think a Republican will have a hard time beating Obama. States like OH and FL, huge battleground states, are regretting electing Rep governors in 2010.

I think it will be a Pawlenty-ish Republican if we elect a Rep. For some reason, anyone running from the northeast is assumed to be a closet liberal (though as I said above is a positive to me). People in the midwest and south generally care about gluttony, money, doing nothing or worse, doing stuff they can't afford - they're largely dunderheads, essentially (Sorry, but it's true.). The Mormon factor is an issue too, but most people I hear from would rather have someone who believes in something, who is seen worshipping at least semi-regularly rather than someone like Obama who is half-hearted at best about his religious views. *That is not my opinion,* but the general feeling relayed from my fellow midwestern dunderheads. I personally don't care about a presidential candidate's religion unless extreme views start coming out, or he/she starts oppressing people with religion.

What are your feelings about Romney, and do you think he can win, regardless of your stance?

I meant to add a poll, but I guess I can't now. I'll add one here:

Would you support Mitt Romney for President, and what is your opinion of his candidacy?

A. I'd vote for him, and I think he'd beat Obama.

B. I'd vote for him, but I don't think he'd beat Obama.

C. I wouldn't support him, and I don't think he'd win (against Obama.).

D. I wouldn't support him, but I think he'd win (against Obama).

E. I'm not voting and don't care either way.

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  • PoodleheadPoodlehead Posts: 6,959Registered Users
    Just curious, what do you know about Pawlenty?
    Minneapolis, MN
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Poodlehead wrote: »
    Just curious, what do you know about Pawlenty?

    Answer my question first. :tongue5:

    OK, I'll go ahead and answer. I know enough about Pawlenty to know he isn't the type of candidate I'm likely to support. He struck a chord with me when he pardoned a sex offender who went on to rape his daughter. Pretty despicable. From what my mother has said, who keeps up on everything political, Pawlenty is borderline teaparty, possibly closet teaparty, which is a major turnoff. He hasn't done anything for me yet - let's put it that way. I haven't examined any of the likely Republican candidates closely yet as I'm 90% sure I won't vote for one. And, only 1 has made a declaration that he'll run.

    Romney is the only Republican candidate so far to spark my interest. What do you think about him, Poodlehead?
  • PoodleheadPoodlehead Posts: 6,959Registered Users
    I guess I don't know enough about Romney to know whether I like him or not. These days, there are very few Republicans I like or trust. They are all trying to court the Tea Party, so they are painting themselves as being incredibly conservative, whether they are or not. Pawlenty cut funding for a lot of social services in Minnesota, and still left us in the red. He is playing the Tea Party game in hopes it will get him votes. Their love of Michele Bachmann has stunned him and he's scrambling to catch up.

    Of the current field of Republicans, I don't see a single one I would be willing to vote for. And at this point, I would not vote for Obama either.
    Minneapolis, MN
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    If I were going to vote for a Republican, it would be Mitch Daniels or Tim Pawlenty. Both from the midwest and seem to emphasize the fiscal over the social.

    I'd love to see anyone, Dem or Rep, work to create jobs and reduce the debt. It would be fine with me if gay marriage, abortion, and other non-fiscal issues never came up.

    I want the prez and congress to raise the social security age, create a higher co-pay for Medicare recipients in the year 2021, eliminate medicaid for adults, and eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    Gay marriage, abortion, women's rights, guns, etc...will never be non-issues for Republicans. It's become too deeply entrenched in the politics. They live for the social issues...that's what gets them the votes because most people ignore fiscal issues unless the economy seems to be doing poorly...and Reps will legislate their version of our morality whenever they are in office.

    We already raised the social security age...back in the early 80's, we raised the age to receive full retirement benefits to 67 for folks born after 1960. I don't know how much older you think we can go, considering that poorer folks...the very people who need the benefits...have much lower life expectancy than rich folks and are mostly dead by 67. Or maybe that was your point...to cut benefits for poor folks, but let the rich folks have full benefits.

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    Pawlenty is a woman hater. Romney is a cult-member (mormon) and America won't be electing a mormon anytime soon. The Rep pool is looking pretty dim.
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    I'd leave the top age at 70 but instead of being able to draw benefits at age 62, I set it at 65. Instead of three age points (62, 65, and 70), there would just be two. Not being an actuary, I can't say how much difference that would make but it's a starting point.

    I'm not a fan of any of the Republican candidates, but just as Obama is not wholly perfect, they are not wholly imperfect.

    I've worked in Head Start in three states. It's the first program I'd cut. Could it replaced with something effective? Sure and I hope that would happen but it's a horribly ineffective system, at least where I've lived.
  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I guess I'm too much of a dunderhead to be able to answer.
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  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    eche428 wrote: »
    I guess I'm too much of a dunderhead to be able to answer.

    Oh good grief. I've lived in the midwest my whole life. I call it as I see it.... I have the midwestern dunderhead mentality about many if not most things, myself. Feel free to answer, if you have something to add. Dunderheads welcome. :blob3:
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    I'd leave the top age at 70 but instead of being able to draw benefits at age 62, I set it at 65. Instead of three age points (62, 65, and 70), there would just be two. Not being an actuary, I can't say how much difference that would make but it's a starting point.

    I'm not a fan of any of the Republican candidates, but just as Obama is not wholly perfect, they are not wholly imperfect.

    I've worked in Head Start in three states. It's the first program I'd cut. Could it replaced with something effective? Sure and I hope that would happen but it's a horribly ineffective system, at least where I've lived.

    I don't know about Head Start, but education cuts in my state have been wildly unpopular, especially in my family with my dad being a professor at a public college. I heard rumors that public colleges were raising tuition and asking profs to take less hours. My dad told me out of the blue one day that he wants to retire next year. He's going to be 62 and never talked about retirement before. I just don't think of 62 as being that old any more. Maybe it is all his choice, but he always goes on about how much he loves to work. I'm guessing it has something to do with the cuts. Since he is a loyal Republican, he'll never say. He's been there since 1991, and I just never thought they'd go after his job.

    It is scary how some of these political decisions are starting to hit close to home. I'm not following the union battle at all, but that is still raging in Ohio and I'm guessing, WI. I thought it was over, but I guess they're trying to repeal now. That is said to be a major blow to (Republican) Kasich if it goes through. He's cutting industries like healthcare and local universities that are literally the only industries we have left! I don't know how the local colleges have done as well as they have, but they always have strong enrollment.

    Polls show most people in Ohio regret bringing a Repiblican in. This is reflected nationally in battleground states with new Rep. govs. This all is definitely going to affect any Republican candidate in 2012. I can't say yet whether that will be a good thing or not (depends on who runs). I'm with you, Myradella - my trust of Reps has never been high, and I can't help but let state politics affect how I feel about national candidates.
  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users
    I will probably hesitantly vote for Obama again. I was a Hilary Clinton supporter. I see Obama as the lesser of all the evils. He's a nice enough guy and I like many of the issues he had stood for...but Obama and the Democratic Party are tooooo nice. The Repubs (as much as I disagree with most/not all of the issues they stand for) at least fight hard. They can be total a-holes about things...and guess what? we need more Democratic a-holes.

    With that said...if I had to vote Republican...Romney does look like the best candidate, so far. But really, that isn't saying much. The other unofficial contenders seem like a joke to me...they really do.
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  • geminigemini Posts: 3,325Registered Users
    I think the social security cap should be raised but I know that won't be a popular solution. :sad3:
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Boomygrrl wrote: »
    With that said...if I had to vote Republican...Romney does look like the best candidate, so far. But really, that isn't saying much. The other unofficial contenders seem like a joke to me...they really do.

    Yeah, I don't think the extreme Tea Partiers like Palin or Bachmann are going anywhere. For one, this country has a problem with women in power, as evidenced by the '08 election. The media is going to play on those fears AGAIN to get their man re-elected (in the case of a female Repub candidate). I was a Clinton supporter in '08, and was so totally disgusted with how the media handled the women candidates that I almost didn't vote.

    Bachmann is no dummy - I have to admire anyone who practices tax law. But, she needs to brush up on U.S. history. She can't keep making errors when the Tea Party is supposed to be all about the Constitution and, apparently, bringing up historical events. I'm still unsure of what the Tea Party is supposed to be all about...

    Anyway, women policians are almost always thrown into one of two piles. We all know what those are. I wish Bachmann and Palin would get better handlers or... something. They remind me of Dean - they have no self-control, though Palin is getting better with the media. Bachmann may run, but they're both probably going to end up putting their allegiance behind a less extreme Tea Party candidate. Bachmann seems quite radical for a Minnesotan.
  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    AllyT wrote: »
    Bachmann is no dummy - I have to admire anyone who practices tax law.
    She just compared paying taxes to the Holocaust. Not as hyperbole or an a fortiori argument, but saying that they're equivalent.
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Just because she made a stupid comment doesn't mean she's a stupid person. I said she has a big mouth that she can't keep under control, and that will be her downfall.

    I do wish politicians would leave Jews and the Holocaust alone - I don't know what the fad is with bringing that up.
  • PlisskinPlisskin Posts: 32Registered Users
    The Republican base hates the healthcare bill that was passed in '09, or what they like to call it: "Obamacare". That was based on his healthcare plan in MA. Due to that I highly doubt he'll even be a front runner in the GOP primary. His adversaries would definately use that bit against him, and probably successfully succeed in doing so.

    I don't know if I'd support him though. If he's like any of the other typical GOP members in Congress who want tax cuts for the rich, cut unemployment, abolish Roe V Wade, etc. then no.
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Plisskin wrote: »
    The Republican base hates the healthcare bill that was passed in '09, or what they like to call it: "Obamacare". That was based on his healthcare plan in MA. Due to that I highly doubt he'll even be a front runner in the GOP primary. His adversaries would definately use that bit against him, and probably successfully succeed in doing so.

    I don't know if I'd support him though. If he's like any of the other typical GOP members in Congress who want tax cuts for the rich, cut unemployment, abolish Roe V Wade, etc. then no.

    He spoke on his healthcare plan today at 2:00. I missed it because I'm at work, so I don't know what he said. He was to explain the differences b/w his plan and Obama's, and why it is a myth that Obama's plan was based on his.

    I think just about any reasonable Republican could beat Obama at this point. I used to not think that, but the economy is so bad, the environment is so bad which is going to greatly pull on the economy. The U.S. trend of computerizing jobs and sending jobs overseas is catching up, and companies are still doing these things at the same or higher rates b/c they're struggling. They don't get that if you cut everyone on the bottom, it's going to bottom out from under you. People don't get that the economy is transitive, and that no one has the "right" answers or can make the "right" choices.

    There are a lot of dangerous trends going on that are either unstoppable or out of control. It's going to be tough for many if not the majority of Americans - I will say it whether it is popular on not to say b/c ignoring doesn't work. I think some heavy, unpopular legislation would have to put in play to stop the trainwreck at this point, and no one will do it. A Republican can't or won't stop it, but the odds will greatly favor a Repub becoming President, regardless.
  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    As a conservative, I would not vote for Romney in the primary. Now if he won the nomination, I would do what I did when I voted for McCain - close my eyes, hold my nose, pull the lever, and go home and take a shower.

    Anyone but Mitt......:protest:
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  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    misspam wrote: »
    As a conservative, I would not vote for Romney in the primary. Now if he won the nomination, I would do what I did when I voted for McCain - close my eyes, hold my nose, pull the lever, and go home and take a shower.

    Anyone but Mitt......:protest:

    He is a conservative, or else, he identifies that way. What makes you think he is not? I don't think instituting a healthcare plan his state makes him a liberal. MA is very different from the U.S. as a whole, and I know he gets it wouldn't work for the U.S.

    I don't think caring about the environment makes him a liberal. I don't know that he personally does, but his state has the best environmental record. We're screwed as far as that goes, but if the principles are there, the record is there, it makes me feel better about the candidate as a human being. An issue like that shouldn't have a thing to do with liberalism/conservatism.

    I'm sure some people have an issue with his religion because he's heads above other candidates in the polls, it seems to be his time, but Repubs hesitate to make him the frontrunner. Why?
  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    AllyT wrote: »
    misspam wrote: »
    As a conservative, I would not vote for Romney in the primary. Now if he won the nomination, I would do what I did when I voted for McCain - close my eyes, hold my nose, pull the lever, and go home and take a shower.

    Anyone but Mitt......:protest:

    He is a conservative, or else, he identifies that way. What makes you think he is not? I don't think instituting a healthcare plan his state makes him a liberal. MA is very different from the U.S. as a whole, and I know he gets it wouldn't work for the U.S.

    I don't think caring about the environment makes him a liberal. I don't know that he personally does, but his state has the best environmental record. We're screwed as far as that goes, but if the principles are there, the record is there, it makes me feel better about the candidate as a human being. An issue like that shouldn't have a thing to do with liberalism/conservatism.

    I'm sure some people have an issue with his religion because he's heads above other candidates in the polls, it seems to be his time, but Repubs hesitate to make him the frontrunner. Why?

    He can identify himself however he chooses but in no way does his record classify him as a conservative. He is a big-government Republican. That's where the lack of enthusiasm is coming from, in my opinion.

    I don't put much stock in early polls. It's way too early in the game for that.
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  • anonymous_22139anonymous_22139 Posts: 659Registered Users
    Romney is the very definition of the word RINO, (Republican in Name Only) ...and as I conservative I too would withhold my vote for him in the Primary. I would probably vote for a third party candidate if Romney ended up the Republican candidate.
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Well, I've done record-checking on him, and he definitely sounds like a conservative to me both fiscally and socially. He has changed his stance on some social issues (from liberal to conservative) over the years, but who hasn't changed their views on issues at one time or another?

    Who in the running is "100% conservative"? Is Newt Gingrich? Tim Pawlenty? Who is a good alternative? People that are raved about like Mitch Daniels either aren't going to run or are not viable candidates. I think people have a problem with Romney because he's a Mormom from the northeast - point blank. Just cause he ain't a good Christian white man from Georgia, he's going to raise taxes and kill babies. I will tell you right now, no President will illegalize abortion and no President isn't going to raise at least some taxes.

    There is not plenty of time for you all to find your candidate. Primaries begin in eight months. There are tons of articles dissing Romney, yet almost all of them admit there is no better alternative, and none of them clearly explain Romney's "faults," either.
  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users
    Well, I know Romney still has a lot of 'splaining to do about the Massachussetts health care. People are so black and white, literal...people often do not see nuances...so I know many conservatives who won't vote for him in the primaries for that alone and only vote for him in the general election because he is the "lesser of two evils."

    some time has passed since I responded to this thread and I still stand by what I said earlier...of all the contenders out there, he still seems to be the only serious one. The others are jokes. They really are.

    I hope he is taken more seriously by his own party. I feel that the Republican party (not individual republicans...but the party as a whole) is so out of touch with what people want...with what their own contituents want and what the general public wants.

    Obama vs Romney will be an exciting race.
    Obama vs any other republican candidate will just be entertaining...which has its own value (talk show monologues, Saturday night live)...but isn't good for our country.
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  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Boomygrrl, I'll admit I've never looked at Romney's health care. It's a non-issue to me, but I'm not a conservative. I actually think there are some great provisions in Obamacare like no discrimination for pre-existing conditions (which is currently in effect for children). We just haven't seen them come through yet. I think it's untrue that Obamacare is raising medical and ins. costs. My guess is they're upping costs for the hell of it and BLAMING Obamacare.

    Anyway, my mom watched Romney's speech and she said Romneycare sounds much different than Obamacare. He started it because too many wealthy people were going to the ER without ins., so he made plans available. No one in Massachusetts is forced to have health ins. Mass. residents were asked to call in on CSPAN to give their opinions, and most of them said they liked the health care. Again, the state of Massachusetts is so different demographically than most of the country. I don't think he'd make his own attempt at nationalized health care, though I think it is great in theory.

    I agree that he is in the best position out of the current Republican field to beat Obama. I predict that Palin and the teapartiers are going to attempt to sabatoge him so that they can get whatever candidate they want in (probably Pawlenty) to be their sockpuppet. They know Romney won't go for their crap. Huge mistake if they're successful. Pawlenty has a moderate record from what I've heard, but he's headed right plus he's an evangelical Christian. Americans don't want liberalism right now, but I doubt they're going to try the other extreme. Older people like my grandma, who is conservative, are really buying into the "unplugging granny" stuff and are wary of fiscal conservatives.

    ETA: I'm still holding true to my belief that any reasonable Republican can probably beat Obama, but the more I see of these candidates.... wow.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Romney was governor of my state. He is not progressive. Romney says whatever he can to get elected. When he ran for governor he was pro-choice, pro-gay marriage. AS SOON AS he got on to the national scene he joined the NRA and changed his views on abortion and gay marriage.

    Yesterday he said that humans have something to do with global warming. I predict he'll change that at some point, too.

    Also, everyone in Massachusetts IS forced to have health insurance. We have to get a tax form from our insurance company so that we can prove we've been covered for the year. If you're not covered you pay a penalty. I think the Massachusetts plan is good in theory, the problem is that health insurance still isn't cheap. So you may be unemployed and need health insurance, you get it through the state but you might have to pay up to $400 a month for it. The very neediest can get on Commonwealth Cares, which is basically Medicaid. But most people have to pay for it.
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  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    I don't think anyone said Romney is a progressive (?). He sounds flat-out conservative to me, but less of a fiscally conservative than most of the others.

    Kerry downplayed environmentalism in his campaign, but that doesn't change his record. More people are starting to wake up, or else they will as deadly natural disasters become commonplace and cancer rates soar. It's sad how hesistant the general media is to post stories giving strong links b/w cancer, severe weather and the ozone, but they're there and will continue.

    Who doesn't try to appeal to the masses or break campaign promises? Obama promised to end offshore drilling - look what happened there.
    Like I said, I probably won't vote for anyone in this race. Though, I'd be happier seeing Romney win than an extreme fiscal conservative. Our state is in a virtual tie with Michigan on unemployment, so hopefully centrist states that swing the election see that cutting everything under the sun along including JOBS isn't working.
  • AllyTAllyT Posts: 613Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Also, everyone in Massachusetts IS forced to have health insurance. We have to get a tax form from our insurance company so that we can prove we've been covered for the year. If you're not covered you pay a penalty. I think the Massachusetts plan is good in theory, the problem is that health insurance still isn't cheap. So you may be unemployed and need health insurance, you get it through the state but you might have to pay up to $400 a month for it. The very neediest can get on Commonwealth Cares, which is basically Medicaid. But most people have to pay for it.

    But, you have a program for those that can't afford it. Other states have nothing like this. If this was in Ohio, I'd probably get health ins. paid for or at least some help because I'm just under the poverty mark. I doubt this would go in Ohio because of our poverty problem. We don't have the wealth to pay for it. But, I'd love to have something like this available.

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