Ethnicity/race question

TanyaJoleneTanyaJolene BannedPosts: 85Banned Users
There is a heated debate going on at a soap board I post at over this actress' ethnic/racial background. YouTube - Save Me From Myself I think it's a little funny that so many people are insisting she isn't black. I don't think she looks black either but looks don't always indicate what ethnic or racial background one has (I'm a good example of that.).

Her name is Terri Ivens and her character, Simone, has a black dad ( who is in the first scene on the video) and Hispanic mother (mother is never shown). The fight is over including her on a youtube tribute to black actors. Apparently, her racial/ethnic background aren't given anywhere. Like I said, I think it is a little foolish... She's not even on AMC any longer, but if she played a character who identifies as black/Hispanic, like she did, why wouldn't she be included? A lot of the posters think she appears Asian and are pretty insistent about it, so she be left off or put on the Asian actors' tribute. A thread on the general hair board about ethnicity prompted me to post this here, to get some outside opinions. What do you think?
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,898Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    The ethnicity of the character she plays on the show shouldn't really have any bearing.

    Personally, I've never heard of her and couldn't begin to guess what her ethnic background might be. But maybe the person who is producing the tribute, knows what it is.

  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,754Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    if she played a character who identifies as black/Hispanic, like she did, why wouldn't she be included?
    I don't see what that would have to do with it. Actors play characters of different ethnic backgrounds than their own all the time. The tribute is to black actors/actresses, not black characters.

    I can't guess her ethnicity either.
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  • TanyaJoleneTanyaJolene Banned Posts: 85Banned Users
    The poster of the tribute pages isn't involved yet, I don't think. I guess she posts occasionally on the Soapnet board. She started a thread asking for suggestions to add to the pages. Somone asked her to include the actress on the black page, and that's where the trouble started. I hope she sees it before the thread gets deleted since Soapnet has really strict moderation.
  • TanyaJoleneTanyaJolene Banned Posts: 85Banned Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    if she played a character who identifies as black/Hispanic, like she did, why wouldn't she be included?
    I don't see what that would have to do with it. Actors play characters of ethnic backgrounds than their own all the time. The tribute is to black actors/actresses, not black characters.

    I can't guess her ethnicity either.

    Someone on a fan page who claims to have grown up with Terri Ivens says she is biracial as there was a query about her background there - I'm guessing that's why people want her included on the page, but I don't know how reliable the information is.

    Since I watched the show during much of the time Simone was on, I guess I see her as black, esp. since the few family members the character had on the show were black - I look at it from that perspective (tho yeah, I understand it's about the actress).
  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    What do you think?
    I'm not sure what you're asking about. Do you want us to guess her ethnic background?
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,898Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    What do you think?
    I'm not sure what you're asking about. Do you want us to guess her ethnic background?

    LOL

  • sleepymekosleepymeko Posts: 1,002Registered Users
    Eh? This is stupid. Some genes show up more than others. To me, she doesn't look Asian. She just looks plain Hispanic to me. A lot of Hispanic people have Amerindian blood, which explains why she looks Mongoloid. She doesn't look like any of the Eastern Asian people that I know. Maybe Filipinos with Spanish blood. I've seen Hispanic and Black people who look like her, so I really don't get this TBH.

    Meh, as an "anthropologist" I'm so sick of people trying to label the human species into little categories.
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  • TanyaJoleneTanyaJolene Banned Posts: 85Banned Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    What do you think?
    I'm not sure what you're asking about. Do you want us to guess her ethnic background?

    LOL

    No, I just don't understand the exclusionary feelings a lot of people have about race. I'm not seeing why it's such a big deal or a heated issue one way or the other.
  • fraufrau Posts: 6,130Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    i'm kind of confused.
    are they saying that she shouldn't play a biracial actress because she doesn't look biracial?
    is the counter argument that she IS in fact biracial therefore able to play someone biracial?
    in the 1950's version of imitation of life, a white actress played a biracial person.
    in the movie showboat, a white actress played a colored person.
    so she could play a biracial person even if she is not biracial.
    if you're arguing whether or not she's biracial or if biracial people really can look like her, just google some biracial folks that look white and post their pics.
    ex.
    quincy jones' daughter rashida
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    wentworth miller
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    hth
  • fraufrau Posts: 6,130Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    oh, and in the 80's a woman who looked white, considered herself white and wanted to declare herself white was denied so in court:

    the susan gilroy case

    it is an example of the one drop rule.
    glad to hear that the public is finally moving away from this system.
    if they consider a biracial person "white" don't argue with them, it's progress!
  • annabananaliseannabananalise Posts: 1,913Registered Users
    Mmmmm wentworth miller. Yum.
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  • TanyaJoleneTanyaJolene Banned Posts: 85Banned Users
    Ahhh, I knew I should've linked to the thread before the inevitable pull. I can link the tribute pages though.

    Frau - no the main debate was if there is no undeniable proof the actress is black IRL, she should not be included in the tribute. Same with the Asian tribute as some posters believe she is white.

    Added just because:

    YouTube - Daytime's Black Actresses Part 1

    YouTube - Daytime's Black Actresses Part 2

    YouTube - An Asian In Daytime: Tribute to Asian Actors On Soaps
  • sarah42sarah42 Posts: 4,034Registered Users
    Frau, your pic of Wentworth Miller is not showing up for me. Could you fix that immediately? Thx!!

    I have a white co-worker. Her husband is a dark-skinned black man. They have two children. Their daughter has medium dark skin and 3C hair, while their son has light skin, blue eyes, and straight hair. I try not to make assumptions anymore about what biracial people "should" look like.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,754Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Here's some Wentworth Miller to feast on:Wentworth_Miller_0054.jpg
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,754Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Kitt Shapiro (left), Eartha Kitt's daughter:
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    frau wrote: »
    in the 1950's version of imitation of life, a white actress played a biracial person.
    in the movie showboat, a white actress played a colored person.
    so she could play a biracial person even if she is not biracial.
    I wouldn't use movies from the '50s to set guidelines for who can play characters of certain races...
  • ursulaursula Posts: 1,461Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    frau wrote: »
    in the 1950's version of imitation of life, a white actress played a biracial person.
    in the movie showboat, a white actress played a colored person.
    so she could play a biracial person even if she is not biracial.
    I wouldn't use movies from the '50s to set guidelines for who can play characters of certain races...

    Did you know that Mickey Rooney is Japanese?
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ursula wrote: »
    Did you know that Mickey Rooney is Japanese?
    LOL, I would hate that movie anyway, but that clinches it.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,754Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    He is? Are you being facetious?
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Phoenix wrote: »
    He is? Are you being facetious?
    In Breakfast at Tiffany's, he plays a ludicrously racist stereotype of a Japanese man.

    Here's a scene with him
  • ursulaursula Posts: 1,461Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Phoenix wrote: »
    He is? Are you being facetious?

    No, I was joking. He played a character in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" that was a pretty horrible Japanese caricature.
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  • ursulaursula Posts: 1,461Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    And just an addendum: I guess I don't know for sure that Mickey Rooney isn't part Asian. Rob Schneider played a very similar yellowface character in a movie that came out a couple of years ago, and he's part Asian. Kind of unbelievable to think that that sort of thing can still be relevant today.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,754Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ursula wrote: »
    Phoenix wrote: »
    He is? Are you being facetious?

    No, I was joking. He played a character in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" that was a pretty horrible Japanese caricature.
    Oh, I figured you were referring to that character.

    Yeah, I knew Rob Schneider was half Asian, as is Mark-Paul Gosselaar and Phoebe Cates. Kate Beckinsale is 1/8 (or 1/4?) Burmese.
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  • fraufrau Posts: 6,130Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    sarah42 wrote: »
    Frau, your pic of Wentworth Miller is not showing up for me. Could you fix that immediately? Thx!!

    sorry, can't fix it since it works okay for me. here is the link!
    i can't see the other pic of wentworth miller that phoenix posted.

    @eilonwy, i think my movies are a great example. if white women can play black women, for sure that woman can play a black person.
  • TanyaJoleneTanyaJolene Banned Posts: 85Banned Users
    Wentworth Miller looks JUST like my friend's boyfriend's best friend in high school. He was also biracial - I don't think Wentworth looks white at all.

    This guy (the friend) was considered to be kind of skeazy/yuck (which is funny cause I always had a mad crush on him). Of course, he was a drug seller, so...
  • fraufrau Posts: 6,130Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Frau - no the main debate was if there is no undeniable proof the actress is black IRL, she should not be included in the tribute. Same with the Asian tribute as some posters believe she is white.

    i agree! lol, sorry.
    [rolleyes]she don't look black.[/ghettogirlwithattitude]
  • CheetaraCheetara Posts: 2,182Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I just feel like this is a good place to post a picture of Tyson Beckford (biracial fashion model). You're welcome.

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  • CocoaCoilyCocoaCoily Posts: 2,648Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Cheetara wrote: »
    I just feel like this is a good place to post a picture of Tyson Beckford (biracial fashion model). You're welcome.

    tyson_beckford_02.jpg

    Oh yum.my! Thank you, that is all I have to contribute to this discussion.
  • coilypoocoilypoo Posts: 36Registered Users
    Umm, why is it so important for Americans to know soneone's race? (Im American too)

    We ALL came from Africa we are all black nd we all are human beings. Scientifically there's no basis for race. Genetically or physically. For example there are native Filipino's with dark skin and kinky hair, and what about Australian Aboringines(sp?).
    Less than 1% of or DNA makes up or appearance.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    coilypoo wrote: »
    Umm, why is it so important for Americans to know soneone's race? (Im American too)

    We ALL came from Africa we are all black nd we all are human beings.
    It's important because race is a major organizing classification in US society.

    The way race is defined in the US, being Black is not the same as being descended from Africans. Also, being Black is an important part of many people's identities and experiences, and that shouldn't be ignored.

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