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I want to go red. Best box dye?

MaddiexoMaddiexo Posts: 24Registered Users
I know I should go to get it professionally done, but ever since I had a horrible big chop, I absolutely refuse to go again. Yes, I trim my own hair so it's healthy.

But anyways, what's the best box dye? And what are some good deep treatments to do before and after? I'm CG, also.
Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut Conditioner
Tresseme Naturals Mositurizing Conditioner
GVP Conditioning Balm (weekly DT)
Herbal Essenses Set Me Up Gel
3a/3b, coarse, very thick, high porosity.
I love my botticelli curls <3
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    I am currently very happy with L'oreal.

    Many others on the site prefer Henna or Robert Craig.
  • jenny curljenny curl Posts: 1,814Registered Users
    +1 for henna
    3b/c :: Fine :: Porous

    I:love5: My Hair
  • MimsTXMimsTX Posts: 3,482Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Henna is awesome, but only if you're totally committed to the red. If you're just wanting to try it out, I would stick with the box dyes.

    Feria is a nice bright red, but it faded the fasted for me. Revlon was my go-to for a good color that seemed to stay around for awhile. It didn't really dry/damage my hair that I could tell either.

    Avoiding shampoo and maybe nixing the ACV rinses will keep the red around a lot longer as well :)
    CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
    CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
    Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
    Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
    HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
  • anonymous_58885anonymous_58885 Posts: 75Registered Users
    I think you should try a semi-permanent dye first just to make sure you'll like it.

    I used L'Oreal Healthy Look in Cherry Truffle, which is more of a maroon color than red. It washes out in 28 shampoos.


    for permanent color, I love Clairol Natural Instincts.
    Paul Mitchell Shampoo One

    Hair One Cleansing Conditioner (Olive Oil)

    Dove Nourishing Curls Whipped Cream Mousse

    Not CG

    Don't use leave-in conditioner

    Straighten hair occasionally. I use Organix Brazilian Keratin Flat Iron Spray to protect from heat damage.

    mostly 2b, some 2c, 3a on rare days. Low porosity, medium density, fine texture.
  • MaddiexoMaddiexo Posts: 24Registered Users
    I plan on doing a semi-permanent, just to make sure that I like the color. But I did hear that Henna was amazing!
    Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut Conditioner
    Tresseme Naturals Mositurizing Conditioner
    GVP Conditioning Balm (weekly DT)
    Herbal Essenses Set Me Up Gel
    3a/3b, coarse, very thick, high porosity.
    I love my botticelli curls <3
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  • jbaybayyjbaybayy Posts: 38Registered Users
    I go to Sally's (get a Sally's card, even cheaper!) and buy the developer and the color. They are separate, yes, but it's really no different than having to mix it when you buy the boxed colors, you just need a plastic bowl and a brush. OR you can buy a squirt bottle, just like the ones that come with the box dyes. It's SO much cheaper. As for reds, I LOVEEE L'Oreal. So far I've used a few different colors and I really like them. I'll attach a couple pics...What shade of red are you trying to get? Maroon, FIRE engine, copper, etc.? I can try to give recommendations, I've done a lot of research on reds!

    I know my pics have straight hair, I'm in the process of buying stuff to do CG to get my beautiful curls back after being inspired by all of your beautiful hair! :)
  • MaddiexoMaddiexo Posts: 24Registered Users
    I love the red in your pictures! I was debating on a auburn red, or just a dark red. However, the other day I saw a girl with an unnatural shade of red; I guess you call it Fire-engine red, and I LOVED IT. Any good box dyes with that bright red?
    Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut Conditioner
    Tresseme Naturals Mositurizing Conditioner
    GVP Conditioning Balm (weekly DT)
    Herbal Essenses Set Me Up Gel
    3a/3b, coarse, very thick, high porosity.
    I love my botticelli curls <3
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  • jbaybayyjbaybayy Posts: 38Registered Users
    Thanks so much! I haven't personally used this shade that I'm about to recommend, but I think it's going to be my next color. It's L'Oreal Excellence HiColor Red HiLights Permanent Creme HiLighting for dark hair. The second picture I posted is the same exact product, except in the magenta color. Yes, the product is made for highlights, but you can use it as an all-over color, as well. It's all a one-process, which means you DON'T have to bleach to get that color. Go on youtube and search L'Oreal hicolor highlights red, and you'll find girls that have used this product with GREAT looking red! *EDIT TO ADD* HEY! One of our own used this same color I'm talking about. She mentioned it earlier in the thread, but go directly here and scroll to her post at the bottom of the page to see pics! http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/47609-post-your-before-after-cg-pics-28.html All you need to do is buy the developer. I used 30v, because that's what the box recommends, but I think next time I'm going to use 20v, because my hair needs less. One tube covered my hair completely fine, but if your hair is longer, I'd get two tubes. You can get a HUGE bottle of developer at Sally's, or a small 4oz one that will give you more than enough...I think you only need 2.4oz per one tube of the color. I hope that helps, good luck! I'll post pics if I do the color as well!

    BTW, my first picture is the same product line, but the "all-over" color variety, rather than the "highlights" kind. It's in the color red-hot...it's a little brighter than that pic in real life
  • CurlOnGurlCurlOnGurl Posts: 8Registered Users
    Everyone is going to gasp in horror, but Feria was always the best for me. YES, it's a bit drying, however, the conditioner that comes with it is REALLY good and even better are the conditioners all of us curly girls use which contain little to no sulfates which fade reds in a New York minute! Speaking of fading, the main reason I like Feria is because half of my head turned COMPLETELY gray when I was 16, so I've been coloring it red for 21 years and it is not only the BEST box brand at delivering its promise to cover all the grays, but it actually keeps its vibrant color almost 6 weeks unlike ANY of the other brands. For a milder formula, L'Oreal Preference is awesome (6R), but it just fades too quickly which results in horrible color by week 4. I have hair type 3B in the back and part of the sides and 3A/almost 2B on top and it's VERY thick, about a half inch past my shoulders when I dry it curly, so I need a full TWO boxes (Feria actually gives you more product in each box than the others!) to properly cover every strand. Oh, and forewarned, make sure you have proper ventilation...it's stronger smelling than all the others, too! Whew!!!

    A word of advice...if you can muster up the courage to trust someone ever again, find the nearest Ouidad certified stylist and go to her/him-even if you have to drive 2 or 3 hours. Seriously. They are specially trained to not only understand the intricacies of cutting curly hair but of coloring it as well, so they totally get that our hair reflects light differently, that we have different porosity, that it is more fragile, etc. Believe me, you'll never use another boxed hair dye again. And, NO, I don't work for Ouidad or any other salon! ;) I simply learned my lesson the hard way! Good luck!
    Hair Type: 2A on top, 3A everywhere else! Desperately trying to get top to curl again!
    Poo: Deva LP;
    Conditioner: Ouidad BR; Ouidad CQ; AG Re:Coil
    Leave-In: Ouidad ML; Ouidad BB
    Style: AG RE:Coil; CHS CK; Biosilk RHG; Rusk WP; Ouidad CQ, CC & TE


    Still seeking my HG!
  • MimsTXMimsTX Posts: 3,482Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    sld12day wrote: »
    Everyone is going to gasp in horror, but Feria was always the best for me. YES, it's a bit drying, however, the conditioner that comes with it is REALLY good and even better are the conditioners all of us curly girls use which contain little to no sulfates which fade reds in a New York minute! Speaking of fading, the main reason I like Feria is because half of my head turned COMPLETELY gray when I was 16, so I've been coloring it red for 21 years and it is not only the BEST box brand at delivering its promise to cover all the grays, but it actually keeps its vibrant color almost 6 weeks unlike ANY of the other brands. For a milder formula, L'Oreal Preference is awesome (6R), but it just fades too quickly which results in horrible color by week 4. I have hair type 3B in the back and part of the sides and 3A/almost 2B on top and it's VERY thick, about a half inch past my shoulders when I dry it curly, so I need a full TWO boxes (Feria actually gives you more product in each box than the others!) to properly cover every strand. Oh, and forewarned, make sure you have proper ventilation...it's stronger smelling than all the others, too! Whew!!!

    A word of advice...if you can muster up the courage to trust someone ever again, find the nearest Ouidad certified stylist and go to her/him-even if you have to drive 2 or 3 hours. Seriously. They are specially trained to not only understand the intricacies of cutting curly hair but of coloring it as well, so they totally get that our hair reflects light differently, that we have different porosity, that it is more fragile, etc. Believe me, you'll never use another boxed hair dye again. And, NO, I don't work for Ouidad or any other salon! ;) I simply learned my lesson the hard way! Good luck!

    I wonder if it's the different between gray hair versus other colors... I know with some dyes, gray hair tends to take WAY better than others would. And vice versa.

    I do love the color Feria gives... it's so vibrant and shiny. It just didn't seem to stick around quite as long for me :/ which was a shame in college, I LOVED having like Fire Engine red hair <3
    CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
    CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
    Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
    Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
    HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
  • SalamanderSalamander Posts: 328Registered Users
    I never had much luck with boxed red dyes; they looked great for a couple days and then faded so very quickly. Even though my hair has a lot of red in it naturally.

    I tried henna and it does give an amazing flaming red and it NEVER fades...which turned out to be what I didn't like about it. I got sick of the same flaming bright red hair after six months. Normally I sort of oscillate between blonder and redder and I like to change things up. Henna is almost impossible to remove, so only use it if you really, really, really love red.

    Now I've been using Clairol professional color from Sally's, and it has lasted a lot longer than the drugstore dyes. I use a 10vol developer for a demi-permanent color and it lasts a good five weeks on me.
    2a/b right now; 2c when it's longer
    Fine/iii density/high porosity

    Current favorites:
    Suave Naturals Coconut co-wash
    GVP Protein Restructuring Conditioner
    GVP Conditioning Balm
    Eco-Styler, LALSG, BRHG, Garnier Curl Shaping Spray Gel
    ACV rinse 1x per week
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    jbaybayy, how do you know which developer to choose? I know there's ten and twenty volume; how to know which one is needed? Also, how to know how much of the bottle of color to add?

    I would like to try this method.

    TIA
  • SalamanderSalamander Posts: 328Registered Users
    10vol for no-lift, deposit-only color (i.e., you are going the same shade or darker). Also called demipermanent color. Usually will fade gradually in 4-6 weeks, depending on your hair's porosity and texture. The least-damaging option. Sometimes you can find 6vol developer, but they don't seem to have that at all Sally's. Use this if you have fine/porous hair, want to avoid damage as much as possible, and want color that will fade out gradually without an obvious grow-out line.

    20vol is what is usually used for permanent color. Will lift your natural color a few shades, so use this option if you want to go lighter. It will also fade eventually, but is more permanent than demipermanent. Longer lasting color but is also more damaging. Use this if you want to go lighter, if you have dye-resistant gray hair, or if your hair is very non-porous and doesn't take color well. Will have a more obvious line of demarcation between dyed hair and new growth so you'll need to keep touching up your roots.

    30vol is the strongest and that is what you would use, along with bleach, if you were going to lighten several shades - like from dark brown to blond. It is pretty easy to fry your hair with this so I would leave it to the trained professionals.
    2a/b right now; 2c when it's longer
    Fine/iii density/high porosity

    Current favorites:
    Suave Naturals Coconut co-wash
    GVP Protein Restructuring Conditioner
    GVP Conditioning Balm
    Eco-Styler, LALSG, BRHG, Garnier Curl Shaping Spray Gel
    ACV rinse 1x per week
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    Thank you, salamander! How do you know which ratio of color v. developer to use? By your description, I know I'd need a 10 vol, with maybe a little 20 for fade-resistance and greys, but how much color? Is there some kind of mysterious (at least to me) balance between amounts I should learn? If so, where?

    TIA. You've been very helpful.
  • jbaybayyjbaybayy Posts: 38Registered Users
    Yep, Salamander nailed it on the head! There's also 40v, but obviously it's VERY strong and you won't be needing it :) As far as how much developer to use, it's on the box for the actual hair dye. For the Hicolor Highlights, for instance, I believe it says put in the whole tube of dye and 2.4oz of developer. For the all-over Loreal color I just used, it was 2.5oz and the whole tube. As far as actual measuring, my mixing bowl has measurements inside of it, so you just fill it up to the correct line. Look for a mixing bowl (or bottle!) with measurements, and you'll be good to go! Just measure in your developer, and then add the tube of color after.
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    Wait, I'm confused: at Sally, the L'oreal color I like (red penny) comes in a bottle (liquid) without directions. Does the same thing come in a box with the measurements you mentioned? I was with my stylist friend when we bought our supplies and she just whipped around the store, tossing stuff in the cart.

    Sorry to be so slow to get it. I'm not good at this kind of thing. I think I get nervous.

    Thank you!
  • jbaybayyjbaybayy Posts: 38Registered Users
    Hmm, most mysterious! Well I just searched the color on Sally's website, is it this one? L'Oreal - Preference - L'Oreal Preference Color Onyx Sheen Blue Black It says to put 2oz of developer in for 2oz of color. The bottle of color says it's 2oz, so basically, measure out 2oz of developer and then dump the whole bottle of color in! That makes sense...when it doubt, I always put in the same amount of developer in as color, so it's 50/50. Good luck!!

    *edit* I know the link says blue black, but the color I chose was red penny...either way, it's all the same measurements :)
  • slivolaslivola Posts: 372Registered Users
    I agree with jbaybayy, the standard for mixing is 50/50 dye/developer ratio.

    I use a coppery red that I get by mixing two clairol professional cream colors together that I buy at Sally's- 4RR and 5R. I need the 20 volume developer to lift the color at my roots (my natural color is a very dark brown). But it does fade very quickly and the base color I get is more natural looking than I like. But that's fine because I have found it's all about the color depositing conditioner to keep up color, so as long as I find a decent base color, that's all I need. I am in love with Aveda's madder red conditioner. It makes my hair brighter and brighter red each time I wash! You can see I started a thread about this conditioner line for colored hair. If you look at my 3 pics in my signature, the photo in the middle (and also my avatar) was taken shortly after I colored my hair, and the photo on the far right was taken about 5 weeks post coloring. You can see it's even more red and vivid!
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    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • jbaybayyjbaybayy Posts: 38Registered Users
    I LOVE that color, slivola!
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    Okay, got it now.

    Thank you all!

    Off to save thread for next time I color.............
  • slivolaslivola Posts: 372Registered Users
    jbaybayy- thanks so much!

    ninja dog- I just saw someone with the most awesome red hair- really bright- and she said it was garnier's intense auburn- not sure which one but it was cool!
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    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • Heaven88Heaven88 Posts: 148Registered Users
    I have blonde healthy hair... I've been using Dark & Lovely to color my hair !! They are really good. They were designed for curly hair that can't be treated with all kind of chemicals!
  • Heaven88Heaven88 Posts: 148Registered Users
    They have all
    Kind of colors! I used to have my hair red a couple of years ago!!! You should look up for more info of Dark & Lovely and the good part is it doesn't have amonia that damages curly hair soo much!!
  • jbaybayyjbaybayy Posts: 38Registered Users
    OOOHHH, a GORGEOUS box color that slivola might have seen is Garnier Nutrisse Medium Intense Auburn, I believe it is number R2. I used it before I started mixing my own color, and to be honest, I've been on a hunt to get the same color myself. It's a beautiful auburn with JUST enough bright RED to make it unnatural, haha.
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    I really like Red Penny; it's the closest to my natural color. I like slivola's hair, but the brightness wouldn't suit me.

    Please post results, jbb.

    Heaven, I never thought of Dark & Lovely colors. Interesting.
  • Heaven88Heaven88 Posts: 148Registered Users
    I had red hair for around 3 years and all used was the Dark & Lovely line and my hair was always healthy... They have like 3 different kid of red. I used them all, so it would always look bright!
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    I'll check them out. I truly never thought of that option. Where did you find them? I never see the line at the usual shops: Target, CVS, Wal-hell, etc.
  • Heaven88Heaven88 Posts: 148Registered Users
    The only place they sell them were I live at is at Sally's
  • slivolaslivola Posts: 372Registered Users
    jbaybayy- now that you wrote "R2" for the shade, it made me remember that the woman I saw said hers was "R1" but I looked that up online and it looks much darker than hers did (maybe she was naturally a blonde?)

    ninja dog- my brightness is from the aveda madder red color conditioner. I can't see to find a hair dye where I start off with that color though. My hair dye combo is actually a coppery dark red- very natural looking until I start using the conditioner again. The pic on the left of my 3 signature pics is how it looks right after I color.
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    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • slivolaslivola Posts: 372Registered Users
    P.S. jbaybayy- I forgot to ask you, since you've used the Garnier medium light auburn R2. I just saw the box- wow, amazing! I'm so tempted to try this, but do you know what color level the dye is? I like to stay with level 5 or darker or else my ends fade and lighten up too much in the sun after a few weeks.
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    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
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