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Are dreads curls? WNTW last night

OK I don't know how many of you saw this but they had a woman on What Not To Wear last night with dreads she had been growing for ten years and they were really scary - lookin'! Nick had to cut them off at the roots where they left sticky, matted knobs on her head. I mean, he practically had to shave her head!

The dreads were HUGE (she had one big huge one that split into two ) and thick and long enough to sit on ( :shock: eeewww). They were pretty awful looking.

She ended up with practically no hair that looked just like Nick's. You could tell even when she had the dreads pulling them down she had VERY curly hair right to the roots.

So what is the deal with dreads? Are they considered a curly hairstyle? What is the ettiquette about them? And do you really have to have them cut off at the root if you ever decide to change your hairstyle?

I'm just curious -- I know a few girls with that type of hairstyle and I'm now imagining them as bald old ladies! I mean, her hair was really stuck together like a giant hairball!
Julie Benz: "I really loved on Angel when we would do the flashbacks and I'd have the big, wild, messy long hair that was thick and full and that's how God meant for me to look."

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  • bunniee23bunniee23 Posts: 228Registered Users
    I watched the show too and thought this lady's hair was just awful. Dreads can look really cool and I love long hair, but this was nasty and unkempt. She looked so much better afterwards.

    I've seen people with straight hair who wear dreads, so it isn't just a curly style. Curly hair usually dreads easier than straight hair though.
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  • SuZenSuZen Posts: 1,595Registered Users
    A few years ago I saw a show about how Japanese teenagers were (at that time) going through a big reggae fad, and they were getting their hair made into dreads. Which took hours and cost a fortune. So it can be done with straight hair, but I'm sure most of the people we see with dreadlocks have curly hair.

    I've seen dreadlocks that looked very attractive, and a few that looked nasty like the ones you described. There's a guy who takes a capoeira class (Brazilian dance/martial art) at my yoga studio who has really huge matted looking locks. I thought he might be Brazilian, but he turned out to be Russian! :shock:
  • tinicurlydtinicurlyd Posts: 1,053Registered Users
    i saw the show too but didnt watched all of it . missed the hair style part cuz i was out shopping . i to thought her hair was so gross!, i mean i have seen dreads on girls and even guys and looked much better well kepted their hers, i cant believe she went out in public like that everyday , ew! :P
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  • three rivers curlythree rivers curly Posts: 994Registered Users
    I have seen some amazing dreads - especially those that have a more "crafted" look. When cared for and sculpted, dreads can look amazing. The dreads on last night's show looked like she was just too lazy to care for her hair. Really - very bad.
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  • solangesolange Posts: 2,539Registered Users
    I would consider dreads (locs) a style more often then not found among people with curly hair, although I've seen several straight haired people wearing them.

    Proper care for dreads (locs) includes washing and grooming your locks regularly. They can be very beautiful when well cared for. If not, they will get very out of control.
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  • asleep to audioasleep to audio Posts: 2,085Registered Users
    Ugh, I saw that episode. It was disgusting how long and dirty they were! Dreads can be cute, but that was way extreme.

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  • The ScientistThe Scientist Posts: 239Registered Users
    I saw that too and also thought they looked disgusting. Her friend also had dreads, but hers looked really nice. I just can't understand how she (the girl on she show, not her friend with the nice dreads) couldn't tell it was getting out of control. I mean, look in the mirror once in a while!
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  • Hairblogger â„¢Hairblogger â„¢ Posts: 564Registered Users
    Nope, curls are curls.

    Dreads are a style that anyone can wear practically with any hair-type. Although today most people with dreads wear manicured locs as many of them are corporate professionals and the old-school political wild-man locs ala Rob Zombie or Bob Marley would not play in the office.

    I like the clothes they let the clients pick out, but I hate the hair-style portion. It's always about what the stylist wants to do to their hair as opposed to if the client wants to keep their lenght or NOT have their hair colored, etc... And while sometimes it works out, he has never not cut a significant amount of someone's hair... But, dreads are like any other low-maint. hairstyle, they still require periodic maintenance (every 8-12 weeks once locks have set) to keep tham looking neat and well groomed.

    Pretty celebrity dreads (these examples were in another post about ethnic hair discrimination by Law Enforcement Admin towards their patrol officers/employees):

    Lisa Bonet
    Eric Benet
    Omar Wasow

    ETA: I'm surprised that they didn't try to take the dreads down first to some extent without just lobbing them off to the new growth. It takes a loooong time if you have a lot of hair, but dreads can be undone and some salons even offer the service (they use conditioner and a special long straight pin for the hair that kind-of looks like a knitting needle)... The larger the loc, the easier it is to take down without cutting. Some people have their locs taken down every few years or so.

    I agree that rancid dreads need to be taken down and started from sctatch if you just want a loc style, as you have to have good hair hygiene to have good looking dreads. But I'm still disappointed that he didn't even try to have her locs professionally removed (but they have no problem putting chemicals on the hair or bleached highlights) :oops: It just shows you that some stylists still do what's easy as opposed to putting in the actual work and saving the clients length.

    **It's too bad that she let herself and her hair go like that. It's no excuse to not periodically cleanse and condition your hair, regardless of the style.

    But I think they could have given her a clarifying treatment if her hair was really gross and then tried to undo them as much as possible (himself or have a dread specialist evaluate it) before hacking away. And as they have a make-up artist consultant and sometimes will bring in an outside colorist, I think if dread-removal is something that is outside of his speacialty as a stylist, it would have been very easy for the show to have a dread removal consultant on that episode just as they have had colorists on to deal with complicated color issues or anything else. And aslo to consult with her about hair hygiene as everyone noted that her friend's dreads were very pretty and manicured like hair should be in general with minimum maintenance effort.

    But, if nothing else I do believe that it showed that sometimes when stylists are out of their depth, they wack your hair off to avoid putting in the extra work involved in trying to atleast save a few inches or so.

    While dreadlocks are a popular favorite because they are a low maint style, once locs have set (which can take 6 months or so ) they still have to be deep conditioned (bi-weekly), and the new growth has to be groomed/re-palm rolled) (every 2-3 months or so) for general neatness.

    But, they can be taken down.

    It just takes a long time (and that needle thingy to actually undo/unravel the loc). I have an acquaintance who takes hers down herself (with the help of her daughter) every 4-5 years. She has a lot of hair, so it usually takes 3-5 days to do her whole head (But a professional team can prob do it in less than a day depending on how much hair you have). Then she does a protective deep cleansing and conditioning treatment with her hair in plait sections and wears it out for a couple of weeks before having it re-locked. Hers are really pretty, from a distance they look like twists (or maybe individual braids) kind of like Lisa Bonet's hair in Enemy of the State but a smidge bigger, prob. about the size of two pencils, so they're easier to take down than the really teeny tiny needle thin ones (called sister locks?).

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  • embudiniembudini Posts: 580Registered Users
    I usually don't like dreads with a few exceptions.
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  • Botticelli VenusBotticelli Venus Posts: 109Registered Users
    Nope, curls are curls.

    Dreads are a style that anyone can wear practically with any hair-type. Although today most people with dreads wear manicured locs as many of them are corporate professionals and the old-school wild-man locs ala Rob Zombie or bob Marley would not play in the office.

    I like the clothes they let the clients pick out, but I hate the hair-style portion. It's always about what the stylist wants to do to their hair as opposed to if the client wants to keep their lenght or NOT have their hair colored, etc... And while sometimes it works out, he has never not cut a significant amount of someone's hair... But, dreads are like any other low-maint. hairstyle, they still require periodic maintenance (every 8-12 weeks once locks have set) to keep tham looking neat and well groomed.

    Pretty celebrity dreads:

    Lisa Bonet
    Eric Benet

    ETA: I'm surprised that they didn't try to take the dreads down first to some extent without just lobbing them off to the new growth. It takes a loooong time if you have a lot of hair, but dreads can be undone and some salons even offer the service (they use conditioner and a special long straight pin for the hair that kind-of looks like a knitting needle)... The larger the loc, the easier it is to take down without cutting. Some people have their locs taken down every few years or so.

    I agree that rancid dreads need to be taken down and started from sctatch if you just want a loc style, but I'm still disappointed that he didn't even try to have her locs professionally removed (but they have no problem putting chemicals on the hair or bleached highlights) :oops: It just shows you that some stylists still do what's easy as opposed to putting in the actual work and saving the clients length.

    That's kind of what I was wondering about. I thought at first he might cut it off about shoulder length and undo the rest, but he sawed through them right at the root. I figured once done, they could not be undone, or hers were SO thick and matted he just couldn't deal with it. She had nice curls when he was done, they were just way short, like his hair.
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  • linda_mlinda_m Posts: 211Registered Users
    Nope, curls are curls.

    ...

    I like the clothes they let the clients pick out, but I hate the hair-style portion. It's always about what the stylist wants to do to their hair as opposed to if the client wants to keep their lenght or NOT have their hair colored, etc...

    I guess I'm alone in this, but I generally like the styling portion of WNTW. I think they like to do things radically different to show the person that they don't have to stick with the same old style they've had for umpteen years. I have seen a couple of episodes where the person just would not allow any change, and the WNTW people allowed them that. I've thought it a real shame not to take the chance on something different.

    Like I said, my opinion - your's may vary:-)
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  • asleep to audioasleep to audio Posts: 2,085Registered Users
    linda_m wrote:

    I guess I'm alone in this, but I generally like the styling portion of WNTW. I think they like to do things radically different to show the person that they don't have to stick with the same old style they've had for umpteen years. I have seen a couple of episodes where the person just would not allow any change, and the WNTW people allowed them that. I've thought it a real shame not to take the chance on something different.

    Like I said, my opinion - your's may vary:-)

    Yeah, I like it too. It's my favorite part. But those dreads were extreme.

    Oh yeah, there are people who don't allow them to do anything. Like that one nanny? Her hair was extremely long and needed a cut, but she wouldn't let him touch it. She looked really good with makeup, but she said she wouldn't try it at home.

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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    i didn't see the show BUT i just cut my locs yesterday (locs is more preferable than saying dreads)...i had been locking almost 6 years and i'd had one other major cut this may. back in may mine were past my bra strap. mine were well kept, smelled clean and were pencil sized or smaller. i work in a professional environment and teach at the gym and had no problem with looking professional in either environment. i had them retwisted every 3-4 weeks especially as it got longer. i ALWAYS got attention with my hair because it was so different. that said, i wanted a change and ultimately decide to cut it completely off as opposed to trying to salvage some of the length (like 4-6 inches). i feel it was best. i have about an inch of hair. my hair is very course, coily, nappy and was perfect for locs. what i have left is healthy and thick. we'll see what happens as my hair grows out again. i had loose natural hair before but half the products discussed here weren't on the market, neither was the no poo concept...i'm hoping for softer hair.
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  • asleep to audioasleep to audio Posts: 2,085Registered Users
    Luvmylocs - YOUR dreads sound so cute and cool-looking! This girl's were rope sized. They weren't cute at all. They weren't well kept. She didn't go through all the cutting and twisting you do. She really just let them grow and grow and grow.

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  • godgivenpermgodgivenperm Posts: 678Registered Users
    I've seen some ugly hair but hers took the cake. Those dreads were gross; I would not wanted to have been within 5 feet of them.

    And the gunk that was left on the stubs when Nick cut them off was disgusting too.

    But when Nick was done...her hair was so cute. It amazed me that she said she took to dreads for naturalness and easy care but her new style just has to be easier to care for than those 2 pounds of snakes on her head.

    I wish that WNTW would follow up on her in about a year when her hair has a chance to grow out. I'll bet she has some really pretty ringlets by then.
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  • sherry7899sherry7899 Posts: 897Registered Users
    I didn't blame Nick for cutting them off. I don't think they could have been saved. It was really disgusting.

    I remember the episode with the nanny. I wish she had let Nick cut her hair. She would have looked even prettier than she already did if her hair were a few inches shorter-maybe with some long layers. The clothes and makeup made a huge difference.

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  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    as a friend and i discussed....with locs you don't condition the same way or use the same types of products that you use on loose hair so trying to save them would be hard (even if you've cared for them properly). well kept locs can be beautiful but most locs will have some for of build up by nature....i wish i could see these locs.
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  • Botticelli VenusBotticelli Venus Posts: 109Registered Users
    No, these locs were awful. I have a couple of friends with locs and they always look cute. These looked like they had not been cared for, washed, redone, or anything in ten years. There was one huge mass at the back of her neck like a bird's nest that was like a small tree trunk sprouting two branches -- each about as thick as a forearm, but dwindling down to a point. Then there were about six long ones like big ropes hanging down past her butt, long enough to sit on and probably had been. She just did NOT care, period.

    When he cut it off he weighed it and it was nearly two pounds.

    Her hair did curl really nicely in front, hopefully she will keep it up.

    Clinton didn't want to stand near her because one of them kind of came loose and was reaching out at him! :lol:
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    luvmylocs wrote:
    as a friend and i discussed....with locs you don't condition the same way or use the same types of products that you use on loose hair so trying to save them would be hard (even if you've cared for them properly). well kept locs can be beautiful but most locs will have some for of build up by nature....i wish i could see these locs.

    I searched around for pic but couldn't find one. Perhaps one of the ladies here has one.

    I like locs in general, but these were just bad. One of them was as thick as my wrist and looked more matted than locked.

    The lady was quite nice, and I enjoyed that episode. But, those locs were crazy bad.
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  • Hairblogger â„¢Hairblogger â„¢ Posts: 564Registered Users
    I like locs in general, but these were just bad. One of them was as thick as my wrist and looked more matted than locked. The lady was quite nice, and I enjoyed that episode. But, those locs were crazy bad.


    That's too bad. I wonder if her friend tried to talk to her about her hair hygiene privately? If my hair looked nasty, i would want a caring friend to tell me privately when maybe I could address the issue myself, before putting me on television. But, I'm glad it came out looking nice even if it was super boy-short. but in a year or so she should have some nice length.
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  • saharasahara Posts: 149Registered Users
    First of all the style is locs. "Dreads" is a term you people gave them based on how dreadful they looked to you...ie your reactions to the style. They aren't awful, dirty, or disgusting...it's how African hair grows when its not chemicalized. Wow!

    To answer your question, yes locs are curls. People of African heritage are the curliest. Locs are formed by not combing the hair and allowing the curls to collect. What you call a "dread" is simply millions of curls that haven't been combed.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    I don't appreciate the "you people" crap. If you had bothered to read the whole thread before reacting you'd know they're talking about a particular person not the hair style in general. And us "you people" wear dreads too so get a grip.
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  • saharasahara Posts: 149Registered Users
    Yes Massa! and I don't need to get a grip...you need to be a little more careful how you word things, b/c they can read as offensive to someone else. and FYI, the particular locs you're talking about ARE traditional locs. They are called freeforms...and that's exactly what I was talking about. So correct yourself.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Both of your posts were uncalled for and you know it.
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  • saharasahara Posts: 149Registered Users
    The negative reactions to non-Europeanized African hair was uncalled for to me. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
  • curlylauracurlylaura Posts: 8,352Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The dreads were HUGE (she had one big huge one that split into two ) and thick and long enough to sit on ( :shock: eeewww). They were pretty awful looking.

    Ewwww!

    Anyone found a pic yet? Is she somewhere on this page?

    I wish they showed the US version of WNTW on UK tv. I know they show the UK version over there. I'd love to see the difference in styling because I'm sure there is one.
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  • godgivenpermgodgivenperm Posts: 678Registered Users
    sahara wrote:
    The negative reactions to non-Europeanized African hair was uncalled for to me. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    Sahara, the woman on the show was not of African heritage.
    Our reactions are only to some really dirty, unkempt, and overall gross hair.
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