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1st curly cut should I do Oiudad or Deva salon?

AmandaCreationAmandaCreation Posts: 12Registered Users
I am lucky to have both Oiudad and Dave salons in my area. I have read mixed reviews about both. I am not sure which one I should try for my first ever curly cut...but I am in dire need of some help with these curls! Any suggestions?

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  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    I'd like to see what responses you get. I'm going to NYC down the road for a trip, and would like to take my daughter.

    I was debating taking her to Ouidad or Devachan, for a neat experience and so she can be taught (by someone else since she doesn't listen to me, lol) how to properly care for her hair.


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    jerseygirl -- i've never had a ouidad cut, but my understanding is that they do not grow out well, that you need a cut every 6 weeks.
    so based on that, (hopefully those who have had ouidad cuts will chime in), and since it sounds like you don't live in the area, a deva cut would be a better choice i think.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
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  • cleanteeth68cleanteeth68 Posts: 49Registered Users
    Stay far far away from Ouidad!! I've had both and Deva is much much better.. The ouidad left my fine hair looking like a Christmas Tree! I HATED it!! It may be o.k. for someone that has ALOT of hair that needs thinning.. but not for us fine curlies:)
  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    Interesting to read the responses. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but my daughter does have a lot of hair. I have read that Ouidad cuts seem to work better on much thicker hair.

    I found this old thread that might help. One of the posters, curlpro, has been trained in both Ouidad and Deva cuts. Maybe this would help?

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/96403-deva-cuts-vs-ouidad-cuts.html


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • queenofdisks80queenofdisks80 Posts: 155Registered Users
    I really believe that regardless of the method, the individual stylist probably makes the most difference in the outcome of a haircut.

    That being said, I've never had a Deva cut, but my experience w/ the Ouidad method, and my new Ouidad trained stylist, has been great. I am almost 2 years into growing out a pixie cut and my hair falls about an inch below jaw length dry. BTW I have fairly thick, course, and super dry mostly 3b hair (some 3a around the face and 3c at the nape).

    The 1st cut was a Ouidad cut, the second a traditional shape and trim (although my stylist did a little slice and carve on a problem area in the back on the DL!!!), and my third cut has also been a traditional trim.

    So, my hair is growing out wonderfully, no problem there, and the curls are in the best shape of their life. The only thing I'm not crazy about is that the Ouidad poo and condish really dry my hair out, but they have other products in the salon (deva, mixed chixks, etc) and next time I think I'll ask for diff. products during my wash.
    3b/3c at nape/a little 3a on the sides, med-course, high porosity, colored.
    Protein sensitive, hard water.

    spritz and condish
    low-poo: shea moisture, Y to Cucs (clarifying)
    RO: CJ A&OO, CJSL,GVPCB
    LI: CJ A&OO, CJCR
    DT:CJCR, GVPCB+evoo&honey
    stylers: FSG, SM Curl & Style Milk, CJCCCL, CJCIAB & Biolage gelee
    refresher:CJSL, CJCCCL, Lustrasilk OO
    PT: Sally's K-Pak, AO GPB
  • queenofdisks80queenofdisks80 Posts: 155Registered Users
    oh, BTW you do NOT need a Ouidad cut every 6 weeks!

    My first Ouidad cut was in early September.

    Second cut:trim w/ a small section "Ouidaded" was in mid December. And BTW I'm growing out a horrific cut that I received in about June.

    Third cut: trim in mid March.

    So a shape up about every 3 months b/c I'm in the process of growing out my hair from first a pixie and second a bad curly bob. But I've only had one actual Ouidad cut. If you're maintaining your length, I imagine that you might only need 1-2 Ouidad cuts a year w/ maybe a non-ouidad trim thrown in. Maybe not even that depending on your hair needs.
    3b/3c at nape/a little 3a on the sides, med-course, high porosity, colored.
    Protein sensitive, hard water.

    spritz and condish
    low-poo: shea moisture, Y to Cucs (clarifying)
    RO: CJ A&OO, CJSL,GVPCB
    LI: CJ A&OO, CJCR
    DT:CJCR, GVPCB+evoo&honey
    stylers: FSG, SM Curl & Style Milk, CJCCCL, CJCIAB & Biolage gelee
    refresher:CJSL, CJCCCL, Lustrasilk OO
    PT: Sally's K-Pak, AO GPB
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    I have had both Ouidad and Deva cuts.

    If your daughter's hair has a lot of spring or jump, and has a history of hairdressers continuously "just evening up" one side after the other, after the other, or taking off way more hair than she asked for or s/he intended, she'll probably be happiest with a Deva cut. They cut the hair dry, curl by curl, watching what happens to that curl in relation to the others as they remove whole curls (so there's no thinning, which can lead to super tangly hair).

    My sense is that Ouidad is best for people with thick, coarse hair who need a lot of bulk removed. My hair is baby fine, and if it's thick, it hides that well. Bulk is not my problem, but even if it were, a Deva cut would also address that.

    HTH
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    I decided to make appts for both of us at Ouidad, when we're up in NYC in a few weeks. I can't believe how much I am going to spend, but it will be our little splurge. (Devachan would have been almost as much anyway) I'm normally so frugal and so thrifty all the time so this should be fun!

    I also had considered going to Devachan, but honestly the location did not fit in well with our schedule. I also had a Devacut before and it was just okay. I wasn't blown away. Ouidad is located closer to midtown, close to 5th Ave, which is where we'll be taking in the sights.

    So after this I will be able to give a fair comparison. :)


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I decided to make appts for both of us at Ouidad, when we're up in NYC in a few weeks. I can't believe how much I am going to spend, but it will be our little splurge. (Devachan would have been almost as much anyway) I'm normally so frugal and so thrifty all the time so this should be fun!

    I also had considered going to Devachan, but honestly the location did not fit in well with our schedule. I also had a Devacut before and it was just okay. I wasn't blown away. Ouidad is located closer to midtown, close to 5th Ave, which is where we'll be taking in the sights.

    So after this I will be able to give a fair comparison. :)


    one thing struck me in your post -- you canNOT compare a 'deva cut' to a stylist who actually works/worked in devachan -- the training is DRASTICALLY different!! like night and day.
    i am not saying some stylists cannot do a good job, even a great job or better than a devachan stylist, i'm just saying in general it is not an even comparison. one is 'trained' for literally a few hours, not more than a day anymore, used to be a couple of weekends, and the others who work there are trained for a very long period of time. again, not to say there aren't stylists who get it and can do a great job, just that the odds are against it.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • thecurly1thecurly1 Posts: 103Registered Users
    I had a Ouidad cut last April and I was VERY happy with it. I have bra length hair and Id say mine is not very thick, pretty fine infact. I know that it will very from people to people on which is best cause I searched the net for that answer. Ive never had a Deva cut so I cant compare with it. but my experience with Ouidad cut was wonderful!

    this is a pic after my cut! Good luck!
    Armed with the Curl Analyzes!!!
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    texture: Fine
    porosity: Normal
    elasticity: Low

    co:wash: V05 kiwi lime, CJDF
    condish: TS avocado and aloe, GPV cond balm, Yes to carrots
    leave in: KCNT
    styling: LOVE FSG.. CK, BRHG, CJCQ KCCC, LaLSG
    protein: CJ rehab
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  • thecurly1thecurly1 Posts: 103Registered Users
    O' and as for keeping up the cut, the styles told me i wouldn't need a follow up cut for a year or so. She said I might need a few trims but as for a full cut she wouldn't advise it unless I have a change in hairstyles.Its been almost a year and at this moment I do feel Im in need of a trim to help with some split ends but not once did i feel it was growing out funny.
    Armed with the Curl Analyzes!!!
    3b,3c
    texture: Fine
    porosity: Normal
    elasticity: Low

    co:wash: V05 kiwi lime, CJDF
    condish: TS avocado and aloe, GPV cond balm, Yes to carrots
    leave in: KCNT
    styling: LOVE FSG.. CK, BRHG, CJCQ KCCC, LaLSG
    protein: CJ rehab
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/members/thecurly1-albums-journey.html
    And yes I'm turning into a PJ :thumbup:
  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    thecurly1 wrote: »
    I had a Ouidad cut last April and I was VERY happy with it. I have bra length hair and Id say mine is not very thick, pretty fine infact. I know that it will very from people to people on which is best cause I searched the net for that answer. Ive never had a Deva cut so I cant compare with it. but my experience with Ouidad cut was wonderful!

    this is a pic after my cut! Good luck!

    It looks awesome! Glad to hear you had a great experience with the Ouidad cut. :)


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    rbb wrote: »
    .
    one thing struck me in your post -- you canNOT compare a 'deva cut' to a stylist who actually works/worked in devachan -- the training is DRASTICALLY different!! like night and day.
    i am not saying some stylists cannot do a good job, even a great job or better than a devachan stylist, i'm just saying in general it is not an even comparison. one is 'trained' for literally a few hours, not more than a day anymore, used to be a couple of weekends, and the others who work there are trained for a very long period of time. again, not to say there aren't stylists who get it and can do a great job, just that the odds are against it.

    Thanks rbb. I did not have my Deva cut at Devachan. However, the person who did cut my hair is a highly experienced curl specialist who several here have gone to and highly recommend. She is great at what she does and it was a very nice experience. I even referred my friend to her and she really liked the cut.

    It's just that the cut itself didn't wow me much for the time and price, compared to a standard layered cut with longer layers. Maybe because I'm more of a wavy, than a true curly? I do consider my hair to be somewhat on the easier side, regardless of what I use, but it's fun to try out different things to see if it can be even better. :) So it will still be interesting if the whole carve and slice cut makes a big difference!


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    be sure to let us know how the haircuts go, and have fun!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • thecurlgirlthecurlgirl Posts: 9Registered Users
    I'm a Ouidad certified stylist, but I am also Deva trained, and have watched several industry leaders show their approach to curls. I, personally prefer to cut the hair wet, but I think the Deva method is also good for some people, as long as you are going to a stylist that is SUPER experienced and you see a portfolio of their work. I say this because in order to become Ouidad certified you must attend training at their flagship salon in NYC and be approved individually by Ouidad or one of her staffers after they watch you work with clients. Deva does not offer a "certification", only a diploma for attending the class, and then you can be added to their website. They FULLY disclose this information on their site, but the difference in the training and knowledge someone has COULD potentially be huge. I took a Deva class because I feel that as a curl expert with an all-curly client base that it is my responsibility to take in as much education as I possibly can, and with Deva's popularity, they are obviously doing something right. I agree with lots of their philosophies, and fully understand the differences between the two cuts and product lines - and I feel that there is certainly room for both of them in this world. For those who are near NYC and you DON'T want to lose any bulk at all, Deva could make the most sense, but if you want to go to Ouidad just tell them not to do any carving and slicing, they can still give you a curl friendly cut and tips on how to care for your curls without doing the carve and slice technique. If you have the time (and money) you could schedule a style at each salon and ask how they would approach your cut to achieve your desired look, and see how they style it - it should look good even without a cut in most cases, you could also schedule a **CONSULTATION**, which takes about 15 minutes and is usually free - this may not be practical for everyone, but for those who are truly at a loss, it will give you a sense of empowerment and should put you at ease when you finally decide to cut. (can you tell i've dealt with some nervous girlies in my time? :D ) My clients AVERAGE 4 months between cuts, some needing a cut only once or twice a year, some needing a trim every 8 weeks if they have a more technical type haircut like a bob with a distinct perimeter. If you feel your cut is grown out after 6 weeks, that is way too soon.

    So, in summation, if you have access to both, it might be a good idea to schedule a quick consultation with each stylist. A good Ouidad certified stylist should know enough not to carve and slice all over your hair to remove bulk if it is already thin, but still give you a great curly cut with plenty of tips on how to care for your curls at home. A good Deva stylist should listen to you and know that if bulk is something that DOES bother you, to adjust your layers accordingly, leaving them seamless while helping to prevent the dreaded pyramid/bell/christmas tree look. They should have very sharp high quality shears regardless of their cutting technique, and they should LISTEN to you, and fully understand what your frustrations are and help you understand how to care for your curls from cleansing, to styling, sleeping, to day 2 and 3 tips. Ask them to explain to you how they would approach cutting your hair and see if they address the issues that you mentioned. Ask to see their portfolio, and where you can find reviews for them. (any stylist who is the real deal for curly hair will not only have both at the ready, but not even blink at the question, we are used to clients who have a history of traumatic salon visits and know earning your trust is paramount). my fb business page,The Curl Girl | Facebook has more info, and pictures, also my clients and blog readers interact and share tips and thoughts on products. my blog,CURL UNIVERSITY, goes a little more in depth on a few topics, and I update it when I have a few extra minutes - which isn't often, lol!
    xoxo-jen, thecurlgirl
  • sadiemomsadiemom Posts: 16Registered Users
    Deva! It's all about knowing how to treat your hair to get beautiful
    Curls. Deva does not carve the curls


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  • dianemary126dianemary126 Posts: 184Registered Users
    thanks for this thread! i have hair cut phobia and am trying to grow my hair long, i've been wanting to get a curly cut for a while and can't decide between ouidad & deva.

    i have been to the ouidad salon quite a few times for softening (like relaxer) and styling but never gave into the carve & slice cut because of some horror stories i read throughout the internet. i do love their products & how they style my hair.

    i am not a big fan of some deva products i tried (they dry my hair out) but i read the curlygirl book and do like that they cut the hair dry and i don't think they thin it out?

    so for someone with big phobia of losing hair length- would deva be safer?
    Diane
    NYC/NJ
    2c/3a..fine/regular texture..normal porosity..low elasticity..high density..cherub curls

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  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    if you want to keep your length, in my experience, deva stylists are respectful of length, at least mine is (carlos flores, formerly at devachan, now at mario diab salon).
    (my hair is short, about 3" shorter than i normally wear it because i cut color off. my daughter has hair as long as yours, and she's been going to carlos for haircuts for a few years now. and i have friends with equally long hair who go to him for cuts.)

    after you say what you want, and they tell you what they are going to do-- make sure they do that, then, ask, how will it look when it is finished?

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • beaglecookiesbeaglecookies Posts: 21Registered Users
    I just had a Deva cut about six weeks ago and love it.... My hair seems healtier and it has better curl fomation. My hair was a 3a, but is now a 3b and to the middle of my back. The cut is so good that I will not have to have it cut for a least six months if not longer. I also received many good tips for my sytlist. It is worth the money.
    3b med texture
    Currently using: No Poo or Wen, One C, Heaven in Hair as leave-in, Arch Angel & BRHG, CJ Coffee CoCo curl cream
    DT- Oudid or Curls Asian tea Cond.

    Also love CJ Products...
  • tphaeulztphaeulz Posts: 1Registered Users
    @thecurlgirl...Hello. I looked at your pics online Facebook. I didn't see any pics
    of 4a textures, which is what I have.
    Do you have any clients with this texture?

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  • thecurlgirlthecurlgirl Posts: 9Registered Users
    i should have at least one or two pics up there, did you check through all of my albums? i do have a handful of girls with this texture. 4's do make up the smallest portion of my clientele, though!
  • banjocurlbanjocurl Posts: 1,020Registered Users
    i vote for deva, but wherever u go, the important thing is to have a clear idea about what you want and be assertive about what you want. if you go to ouidad and do not want your hair thinned with a carve and slice cut you need to be very clear and state the kind of cut you want and your goal for your hair. this requires some research and study on your part. whatever you do, be ready to walk away if they are doing something that makes you uncomfortable. dont be afraid to displease the stylist..assert yourself
    Susan suburban NY
    3b going gray, not thick, waist length when wet, a bit below shoulders when dry
    CG since 11/11/04
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  • banjocurlbanjocurl Posts: 1,020Registered Users
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/salon-stylist-chatter/76806-what-should-i-tell-my-stylist.html

    this is a great thread with info from strutts wife and other stylists on how to deal with a new stylist and ask for the cut that will work best for you
    Susan suburban NY
    3b going gray, not thick, waist length when wet, a bit below shoulders when dry
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  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    I know this is a bit of an old thread by now, but I just wanted to update and say that I got the Ouidad cut!

    I was pleasantly surprised by how much I like it. Honestly, I can now see the benefits of the carving and slicing. The waves really do puzzle into each other nicely and my hair is springier, curls/waves up nicely and I can now get 2nd and 3rd day hair with no effort at all. It just has such a nice shape to it. I will say that my hair is fine and the stylist did not do an excessive amount of carving. If anything, my hair now looks fuller and doesn't get as weighed down as it did before.

    Initially, there was a bit more length taken off than I wanted, because the underneath part of my hair is much straighter - so he cut the underneath layer shorter to avoid that straggly straight ends effect I had going on before. And to do that, more length needed to come off than I realized. But honestly, my hair looks much better at this length. It moves, and it has much more body.

    And he even said, that I won't need to get it cut now for at least 6-9 months or even more. So that was good. It was pricey, but I won't have to get it cut for a while.

    Overall, a very good experience. I saw Vincent at the NYC location.

    Oh, one more thing....I did straighten it the other day to see how it would look, since I do that every few months or so. It still looked good. No unevenness that I had with the Deva cut when I tried to straighten. But I don't do it much anyway...too much work, lol.

    Hope this helps anyone who may be on the fence. :)


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • AvidAsil10AvidAsil10 Posts: 1Registered Users
    My curls are uneven. One side of my head can be beautifully curly while the other is much straighter. But other days, like the picture I've attached, I have a good hair day. I use the same wide comb each day, the same amount of products, but my curls are inconsistent.

    Also, if you take a close look at the picture, my ends are pretty dry. I've tried conditioning cleansers, sulfate-free shampoos, and always follow up with a conditioner, sometimes leaving some in to help with the frizz. I have to change products every few months as my hair stops responding to the products I am using. I am currently using Noodle Head styling cream and scrunching spray followed with Aussie's humidity spray (heaven sent for the humidity in NC).

    Any information you can offer would be happily and gratefully used!