Help with weird frizz :( *pictures added*

kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
My hair is frizzy even when soaking wet.

I get clumping but then loads of these individual strands in between refuse to clump and curl nicely no matter what. :goofy:

Its gets slightly worse whenever I rake or scrunch in styling products.

Any tips of how to eliminate this?

I have recently clarified and started CG again. I use CJ Daily Fix twice a week to get rid of build up (I haven't really done any co-wash because Im concerned about build up issues). I've done a protein and a deep treatment which my hair liked (I got more root curl) and I've tried just putting in a lot more conditioner but none seemed to make a difference in the slightest.

It is all over, but more on the hair from my canopy I have noticed. Is it just damaged and going to take a long time to sort out? I wasn't cg the last few years but I did condition every day with a cg friendly conditioner.

Please help :(

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  • born2bcurlyborn2bcurly Posts: 78Registered Users
    It looks like you have the same hair as me except mine is on the more 3c side and yours is curly at the top as where mine is wavy then curly at the bottom. I have the same problem that your having so its good and bad to know someone has the same problem as me.
    3b/3c hair
    texture-medium
    porosity-high unfortunetly
    Cowash-suave naturals
    leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
    gel-he smu
    still working on routine
    CG since-2-2-10:wav:

    canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
  • SailaSaila Posts: 1,212Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I suspect it could be breakage or split ends. I know you have already clarified, but I highly recommend an ACV rinse, especially if you are in hardwater. It does wonders for my hair.

    Do these strands feel any more coarse? Do they have a tapered end?
  • kasdenkasden Posts: 1,045Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Could it be some humectants in your products? My hair does that when I use humectants in dew points under 30.
    2c/3a, fine, low-med porosity, below BSL, mod CG since 9/09

    "I'm fairly certain that given a cape and a nice tiara, I could save the world." - Leigh Standley
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Post #5 in this thread says to add more leave in if you have frizz when wet. Many things can cause frizz.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/87950-oh-frizz-please-help.html
    http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
    2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    ^ I had a look through that thread and did as suggested - it helped very slightly. But any more conditioner and my hair would have been greasy :( As soon as I start to add any styling products in strands start to separate from the main clumps again.

    The strands don't feel or look any more coarse or damaged. My hair is very fine. Of course there could be damage I just can't see/feel. I don't think I've ever had split ends.

    It could be humectant I suppose- I have been looking into that recently - but this is something I remember my hair doing last time I went CG, and that was during summer. Although I think it is worse now then it was then.

    I shall try an ACV rinse.

    Its incredibly frustrating.
  • oddityofwingsoddityofwings Posts: 1,261Registered Users
    I think I may have mentioned this elsewhere to you, but my hair does almost exactly the same thing - I get both helixes of curls (with curls wrapped around each other) and lots of inter-curl frizz. I've never NOT had it. I've tried more humectants, less humectants, more moisture, more protein, harder gels, lighter gels, more leave in, less leave in, cleansing, (etc, etc, etc) and nothing makes the slightest bit of difference.

    I have finally come to the conclusion that it's probably just my own personal curl pattern. My hair is largely quite clumpy, but I do have quite a few, er, 'unique' strands of hair that always want to do their own thing no matter what. I tend to go for application methods that are a bit frizzier just because it makes this stuff blend away.

    I am, however, suspecting that it may be linked to my current cut: this kind of frizz got worse after my last haircut. *saves up her pennies to go see Matt James in Birmingham before he runs off to study with Deva*
    3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

    Favourites:love5::
    CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

    American literature PhD student in the UK... :study:
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    It could be from an old cut.

    I have no idea how long it can take for hair to move past bad cuts. The worst one was in 2008 where Im pretty sure she feathered my hair. She took scissors and from the top downwards just kind of slid/hacked it along so that fluffs of hair came off to give 'layers'. It was awful - my hair took a while to start curling again and it was all uneven - as in some areas were about 4 inches shorter than others. Awful.

    It was a while ago now - I have no idea whether it would still be having an affect on my hair now. Other cuts since then have been the typical wet, pull straight and cut which haven't been great but haven't cause me to burst into tears either!

    I'm about to go post the same question on BC lol - to see if anyone has some more suggestions :)

    I tried out products that seem to be recommended for lower dew points today - but same frizz. I really hope I can figure this out - its driving me crazy! I won't accept its just my hair lol
  • oddityofwingsoddityofwings Posts: 1,261Registered Users
    kat180 wrote: »
    It could be from an old cut.

    I have no idea how long it can take for hair to move past bad cuts. The worst one was in 2008 where Im pretty sure she feathered my hair. She took scissors and from the top downwards just kind of slid/hacked it along so that fluffs of hair came off to give 'layers'. It was awful - my hair took a while to start curling again and it was all uneven - as in some areas were about 4 inches shorter than others. Awful.

    It was a while ago now - I have no idea whether it would still be having an affect on my hair now. Other cuts since then have been the typical wet, pull straight and cut which haven't been great but haven't cause me to burst into tears either!

    I'm about to go post the same question on BC lol - to see if anyone has some more suggestions :)

    I tried out products that seem to be recommended for lower dew points today - but same frizz. I really hope I can figure this out - its driving me crazy!

    I know doing the technique I've bolded can cause curls to 'split' - so if you're still growing any of that out, it could certainly cause problems (it seems to stop curls from clumping properly). Given it's been almost 3 years, though, I doubt any of that's left unless your hair grows super slow.

    I'm also wondering if, in your case, it's just a matter of rehydration. I'm sure your hair's in pretty good condition, but since you've only just started back on CG in earnest recently, it may just be your hair's dry and doing a bit of freaking out while you're getting it back into good shape.
    I won't accept its just my hair

    I know you say it jokingly, but eventually you may need to accept this... it's sort of the way it works. We all have some frizz. ;-)
    3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

    Favourites:love5::
    CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

    American literature PhD student in the UK... :study:
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    Yeah. Im hoping its just drier than I initially thought and needs some TLC

    I have quite a bit of acceptance to do when it comes to my hair sadly. I don't want straight hair (I've found it annoying when I've straightened it) but...I also don't like the curls I have.

    Sigh. So silly.

    I too, want to have a really good cut - Ive been reading about the reviews of Eleven. But my parents would kill me for going to London and spending so much on a cut. They'd argue it was a waste of money that I should be saving. (They usually pay £12 at the local hairdresser)
  • RustinaRustina Posts: 894Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I can't offer any solutions, unfortunately, but I do want to commiserate. I have the same problem, too. I read that post about adding more and more leave-in, but like you, there's only so much I can put in before it starts getting greasy and coated. What has helped with the wet frizz is not adding more leave-in every time, but doing lots more DT's - so keep up your PT/DT regimen. You may need them weekly for a while.

    As to the drama with your parents over the expensive haircut, it's your hair, and you're the one who has to walk around with it 24/7. If it will make you happy to have a good curly cut, then go for it. They can't possibly understand if they don't have hair like yours (which, for the record, is quite pretty, by the way!).
    Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
    Northern VA
    Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
    Dye-free since 11/2010

  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    Thank you :)

    I haven't brought it up with them - the possibility of an expensive curly haircut - but I know from past mutterings from them whenever I buy hair products (PJ here!) that it wouldn't go down well lol. I'll have to have a think. I recently took a photo of the back of my hair and was kinda shocked to see how uneven it was!
  • oddityofwingsoddityofwings Posts: 1,261Registered Users
    Hmm - have you thought of talking up the idea of cutting curly hair dry and by curl to your current hairdresser? A lot of them are quite amenable to it, particularly if they know you well.

    I know what you mean about curl acceptance. I went through a similar period. I think there's a point at which we all need to just do a sort of hair serenity prayer - sort of, give me the money for the products that can change the things that can be changed, the humility to recognise what I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference. ;-)
    3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

    Favourites:love5::
    CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

    American literature PhD student in the UK... :study:
  • oddityofwingsoddityofwings Posts: 1,261Registered Users
    kat180 wrote: »
    Thank you :)

    I haven't brought it up with them - the possibility of an expensive curly haircut - but I know from past mutterings from them whenever I buy hair products (PJ here!) that it wouldn't go down well lol. I'll have to have a think. I recently took a photo of the back of my hair and was kinda shocked to see how uneven it was!

    Holy moly the shrinkage on that one clump! Curious, is it even when it's wet, or is this a case of a random bit of hair growing slower than everything else?
    3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

    Favourites:love5::
    CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

    American literature PhD student in the UK... :study:
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    Hmm - have you thought of talking up the idea of cutting curly hair dry and by curl to your current hairdresser? A lot of them are quite amenable to it, particularly if they know you well.

    I know what you mean about curl acceptance. I went through a similar period. I think there's a point at which we all need to just do a sort of hair serenity prayer - sort of, give me the money for the products that can change the things that can be changed, the humility to recognise what I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference. ;-)

    Lol! I may have to quote this in my siggie!
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    kat180 wrote: »
    Thank you :)

    I haven't brought it up with them - the possibility of an expensive curly haircut - but I know from past mutterings from them whenever I buy hair products (PJ here!) that it wouldn't go down well lol. I'll have to have a think. I recently took a photo of the back of my hair and was kinda shocked to see how uneven it was!

    Holy moly the shrinkage on that one clump! Curious, is it even when it's wet, or is this a case of a random bit of hair growing slower than everything else?

    Lol! I have no idea! :goofy:

    When I saw it I was like 'what the frizz.....??!?!!?"

    Im going to have to investigate lol It is rather random.
  • oddityofwingsoddityofwings Posts: 1,261Registered Users
    kat180 wrote: »

    When I saw it I was like 'what the frizz.....??!?!!?"

    :sign5:

    That nearly made me spit my lunch all over my keyboard.
    3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

    Favourites:love5::
    CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

    American literature PhD student in the UK... :study:
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    LOL ^

    Well Im glad I amuse! :D

    Ok - just got my mum to take a photo of my hair today from the back. How embarrassing! I definitely need a good haircut! I think its bad layering - I haven't seen what it's like wet but all over my layers are pretty bad! :S

    My hair seems to grow relatively quickly- so maybe some curls are growing faster than others. :(

    Im just sad because Im trying to grow my hair and I think to make it right Im going to have to have a lot cut off - everytime its these straggly bits at the back that grow so much more - maybe my hair just can't grow well past my shoulders! :( Anytime I get some length and need a trim, because of the bad spring-factor I end up short again!
  • CurlyLinZeeCurlyLinZee Posts: 462Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Kat:
    Those ends could so easily be fixed! If they come out that way consistently (as in, every day), why don't you invest in a good pair of professional hair scissors and have your "mum" cut those ends dry for you, using the curl-by-curl method (cutting off a "c" at a time)???

    That would at least solve your back "end" problem. (Not "backend," but back "end.")

    About the frizz...didn't you say you just went CG? That could be all it is...and it might go away on its own. My hair did really weird, frizzy, crazy stuff for a few weeks when I first went CG. It was 'cone withdrawal....

    HTH! :goofy:
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    KCCC
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  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    I might give them a little snip for now - the rest of my hair really could do with sorting out properly. My layers are all over the place and the canopy needs some weight lifted from it. As you can see from the side photo - its very 'boxy' at the back.

    :) I've been looking at photos and I can already see a vast difference since I went CG again. So maybe that frizz will sort itself out :)
  • Robin-in-FLRobin-in-FL Posts: 1,731Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    WOW I don't think you need to worry that it doesn't clump up like a bunch of snakes when it's wet, that is some amazingly unfrizzy hair when it's dry. It must come together as it dries.

    I hope you can find someone to give you a haircut you like, but the hair itself looks great.
    2c / C / iii (FIA)
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    Shoulder-Length now.

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    Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
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  • SailaSaila Posts: 1,212Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm so glad you posted pictures!

    When you put conditioner in your hair, do you detangle with a comb? That's a really simple step that makes my hair more evenly clumped with less "in between" hair.

    I second the hair trim/cut. That will definitely help.

    Keep us updated!
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    Thanks :) It did dry better than I expected after the frizz when wet!

    I've always finger combed as in the past using a wide tooth comb when wet I lost my curls. But I am experimenting with products and how I apply things right now so I'll definitely give the comb a try and see what the results are.
  • SailaSaila Posts: 1,212Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    kat180 wrote: »
    Thanks :) It did dry better than I expected after the frizz when wet!

    I've always finger combed as in the past using a wide tooth comb when wet I lost my curls. But I am experimenting with products and how I apply things right now so I'll definitely give the comb a try and see what the results are.

    I usually scrunch afterward and the curl comes right back!
  • abstractcurlsabstractcurls Posts: 380Registered Users
    I have the same kind of frizz... I wonder if a small trim would help me too. I've tried everything else so maybe I should try it.
  • nikskenikske Posts: 556Registered Users
    I have the same problem from time to time. My hair doesn't need protein and is well moisturized, still I have frizz when it's wet.

    For me, brushing while wet really helps. Use a denman or something similar, it really helps my hair clump and I have a lot fewer stray strands.
    Wurly 2b/2c/3a Miii - high porosity

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