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PT recipe - as promised

IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
Link to the Science-y Hair Blog for this recipe (it's the first one in the tab titled "recipes"): /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fscience-yhairblog.blogspot.com%2F" class="Popup

New (April 2014) Thick Gelatin PT - easier to apply evenly, fewer drips./home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fscience-yhairblog.blogspot.com%2F2014%2F04%2Fgelatin-protein-treatment-recipe-update.html" class="Popup

And see this post for Pedaheh's extra-rich version: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpedaheh.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fgelatin-protein-treatment.html" class="Popup
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  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    The past two weeks I've been using the original water/gelatin/acv recipe (I ran out of my PT and haven't been to sally's). This has worked well for me so I can't wait to try the new one. In fact I'm typing this with gelatin drying on my head that I need to go rinse out.:thumbright:
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    pedaheh wrote: »
    In fact I'm typing this with gelatin drying on my head that I need to go rinse out.:thumbright:

    That's a quote you don't hear every day!

    I think this is much the same as the original recipe, except the volume of water is smaller because the first was SO drippy.
    I'm really glad it's working well for you, Pedaheh!

    Yogurt (not non-fat) might be a good add-in too, not so much for the proteins (more likely you could use the bacterial proteins than the milk proteins) but for the fats and carbohydrates and acidity. It's great for your skin too.
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    The gelatin PT seems to be working very well for me. My wet hair actually stretches before it breaks.:viking: A big step forward for my hair's elasticity.
    Yogurt was already on my mental list of things to experiment with adding to your new recipe. Then I thought...better try the original recipe before I start messing with it.
    Usually I think the protein in food isn't a great for a PT because protein size is too big. However gelatin has collagen which is the same ingredient in aphogee and nexxus emergencee. Like I said, it is really working well for me without the aphogee stench.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    Bump. Any Protein-lovers wanna try it and help perfect the recipe?
  • B-wavyB-wavy Posts: 1,733Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thank you for posting this! I will try it in the next day or two and will let you know how it goes.
  • SaroyanSaroyan Posts: 398Registered Users
    Posting to subscribe and bookmark; I don't have my own kitchen right now (college dorm), but I'll have to try it when I'm home.
    2a, very fine, very thick, protein-loving, not especially porous. cg since july 2010.

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  • B-wavyB-wavy Posts: 1,733Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I tried this Wednesday morning and really liked it! Such good timing too because I was way overdue for a PT. I’ve never used Aphogee, so I can’t compare it to that. The only ones I’ve tried are the Sally’s version of K-Pak (hated it due to the mineral oil) and the Nexxus Emergencee, which I just ran out of. When I use Emergencee, my hair actually feels really good and silky as I’m applying it and as I’m rinsing it. It’s never felt rough and straw-like as some others have reported, so I suppose that means I really need the protein.

    I made the basic recipe, only adding the pinch of citric acid and a few drops of avocado oil after the gelatin mix had cooled a bit. Applied the mixture, put on plastic cap and turban, left it on for 5 minutes, then got straight in the shower to rinse and applied my regular conditioner (currently Yes To Cucumbers Daily Care). Hair felt great and was very shiny, frizz-free and much perkier. I’m wondering though if I could have left it on longer, or whether it would have gotten too difficult to rinse out? Have you ever left it on longer than 5 minutes, IAgirl? Or is it better to keep the time at 5 minutes and just do the treatments more frequently if I feel I need more protein?

    Thanks again for posting this. Oh, and if anyone is interested, you can get large boxes of the gelatin packets (32 packets per box) at WalMart for just a couple of bucks.
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    I didn't think to look at Wal-Mart for large boxes of gelatin packets. Now I will.

    I don't usually time these things...
    Maybe I should!
    I know I have left them on for longer than 5 minutes. With the Aphogee 2-step you actually blow-dry the PT on your hair with high heat until it's dry and hard. This does't take me long, but it's a big dose of heat.

    When I started using Aphogee, I discovered that my hair began stretching like rubber bands rather than snapping off. It got shinier and held the waves better. This is the result I look for in a PT.

    I have used this recipe blow-dried in with epsom salts, and glopped on with banana in the mix without any attempt to increase the heat (forgot plastic bag/cap), and with plastic and a warm towel. All seem to work with the blow-drying and epsom salt leaving more frizz (naturally). I think heat is better than no heat.

    Heat has the potential to speed up any chemical reactions taking place -- positively charged proteins sticking to negatively charged hair. The acid helps keep the charge on the proteins (that is kind of an oversimplification, but whatever).
    At some point, all those sites that can bind the protein will have already bound some protein and the rest is just going to have to wash away. So if you get good results with 5 minutes, great. You can try 8 or 10 or 15 minutes and if that seems even better, great! It's your hair, you are the best judge of how it responds.
    But the hair can only hang on to so much protein and once you find the right amount of time for your hair, stick with it.

    Glad it worked well for you this time! Never had a problem with rinsing out unless the gelatin isn't fully dissolved.

    Frequency: I can do this twice per week, although I don't see the same change as if I only do it once per week. My hair is very fine and it likes the protein.

    See what works. Trial and error is tedious, but we learn a lot more in the process.
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    EDIT: My final version of the gelatin PT is on page 6 post #111.


    I did this PT today.
    I did it as written with 1/4 c water, 1/4 tsp ACV, 3 drops olive oil, all the add ins, plus 1/4 + 1/16 tsp epsom salt (what I poured out of the container:happy8:). I blew it 80-90% dry before I got bored. I left it on maybe 45 minutes after that.
    This made about twice the volume I need for my fine, thin, chin length hair. It was also a bit runny, but less so then aphogee. When I went to rinse it out is was a hard gelatinous mess that took me forever to rinse out. After the DT my hair was still lacking moisture. I blame the epsom salt. My hair has a love hate relationship with epsom salt. It makes my hair more curly but really dries it out. Overall, this is still my favorite PT. It just needs to be tweaked to my liking.
    Next time I will make less. I plan to cut the recipe roughly in half. I will skip the epsom salt. I may decrease the ratio of glycerin too. I'll probably add more honey, because my hair is a big fan.
    Thanks for the recipe IA girl!!!
    ETA: aphogee also leaves my chronically dry hair feeling a bit dry after a DT.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • B-wavyB-wavy Posts: 1,733Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This is great info. Next time I will blow dry it in and leave it on much longer. And I will report back. I love hair experiments!
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Correct me if I'm wrong IAgirl, but I think if you blow it dry, there is no reason to leave it on longer. I did because 1)I didn't blow it completely dry. 2)My day just worked out that way.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    I don't see why there would be any benefit to leaving it on longer if you blew your hair dry with the PT in it.
    It's all cooked and done!
    With blow-drying there is still the problem of blow drying (heat and drying to skin and hair) so that's why there's oil in the recipe. I think the epsom salts are really optional. In the Aphogee, I believe it's there to help the liquid congeal with heat. Aphogee 2-step is super-runny.
    But there may be some benefit to the epsom salts, I just can't find a reference to the chemistry for that which is credible.

    I'll be doing this tomorrow, so I'll report back too!
  • B-wavyB-wavy Posts: 1,733Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Gotcha. Thank you both for the clarification!
  • swavesswaves Posts: 86Registered Users
    IAGirl---Thanks so much for this recipe! I tried it, with all the options included (but no epsom salts), and when it cooled somewhat I mixed it with my hand blender until it was a nice creamy consistancy. Covered with a plastic bag for about 15 min. and no problem rinsing it out in the shower. Very nice results and love the idea of it being so healthy!!!:love1:
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  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    swaves wrote: »
    IAGirl---Thanks so much for this recipe! I tried it, with all the options included (but no epsom salts), and when it cooled somewhat I mixed it with my hand blender until it was a nice creamy consistancy. Covered with a plastic bag for about 15 min. and no problem rinsing it out in the shower. Very nice results and love the idea of it being so healthy!!!:love1:

    So glad you liked it. I love that it's fresh, not full of preservatives, inexpensive, and you control what goes in there. Instead of buying a bunch of different products, you have these basic, cheap ingredients and you tailor the product to meet your needs. And then share with the rest of us!
    Yep, NC.com is very cool!
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    I tried the PT again with banana and honey (no epsom salt) + plastic over hair and some warm water running over plastic cover for heat, probably for 5 minutes.
    Wow! I needed a lot of conditioner after I rinsed it out, but my waves and wurls and curls are much better. Nice shine. Nice and stretchy too.

    It does make a rather large amount for one person with banana or other additives. Could definitely cut the recipe in half.

    And with banana or yogurt one might not need the citric acid or vinegar because those things are acidic on their own.

    I'd say the heat definitely helps and I'll go for more next time.

    Thanks for the tip about the hand blender, Swaves. That worked well and was much nicer to apply.
  • CurlyCowgirlyCurlyCowgirly Posts: 295Registered Users
    IAgirl wrote: »
    It does make a rather large amount for one person with banana or other additives. Could definitely cut the recipe in half.

    I wonder then if you could refrigerate the leftover recipe for a few days.
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  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users

    I wonder then if you could refrigerate the leftover recipe for a few days.

    I suppose you could do that -- but would have to warm it to at least semi-liquefy the mixture again.

    Please let us know how it works if you do that.
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    O.K. So I have this PT on my head again. Here is what I did.
    1 1/8 tsp gelatin (1/2 a packet)
    1/8 c water
    1/8 tsp ACV
    5 drops olive oil (about 1/8 tsp)
    1/4 mashed banana
    squirt of conditioner (maybe 1-1 1/2 tsp)

    This was just enough for my thin, fine, chin length hair. It gelled before I got around to using it. I popped it in the microwave for a few seconds and it was liquid again. So I'm guessing if you wanted to save some for another time, that might work. The consistency seemed less drippy. This could be because I had a larger ratio of banana. I froze mashed banana in 1/4 banana portions, so I just used all of it and it seems fine. I skipped the honey because I add some to my rinse out and it seemed redundant.
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    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    So I did this again today.

    1 1/8 tsp gelatin (1/2 packet)
    1/8 c water
    1/8 tsp acv
    1/4 tsp olive oil
    1/4 mashed banana
    squirt of conditioner

    This time I bumped up the olive oil. Next time I think I'll reduce the water to 1T and increase the conditioner and see how that goes. I could still use more moisture if I can get it for my dry hair.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Here is what is on my head now.
    1 1/8 tsp gelatin (1/2 packet)
    1 T water
    1/8 tsp ACV
    1/2 tsp oil (1/4 tsp olive and 1/4 tsp avocado)
    1/4 mashed banana
    1 T conditioner

    It is thicker for sure and seems like it will add more moisture. I'll have to wait until I wash it out to know for sure.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    Wow, really tweaking the PT recipe Pedaheh! Olive and avocado oil sounds like a good mix. More conditioner seems like it would help the "rough" post-PT feeling. Hope it works well for you.
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    I think I'm really close to having this PT the way I want it for my hair. I think I will add even more oil next time. I'm making the IAgirl gelatin PT for moisture and protein thirsty hair. :flower:
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    I forgot to post. I did this the other day with 1 tsp total oil (1/2 tsp avocado and 1/2 tsp olive). I like it and that may be my final recipe. I'm going to experiment with adding more oil until my hair cries uncle. :king:
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    Wow, did you need to wash out the oil afterwards or did you just rinse? Condition post PT?
    You have some thirsty hair!
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Double post
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Conditioner seems to get most oils out of my hair just fine. I do and overnight coconut oil treatment, the gelatin PT, rinse, DT of my regular conditioner and honey, rinse.
    I just read the ingredients to the mill creek PT. There is lots of oil in there, so it emboldened me to try even more in my PTs.
    My hair doesn't like oils left on the hair in leave-ins, styling products, and sealing.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    I was going to stop posting to this thread until I figured out a final recipe. However, today I substituted coconut milk for the water. I thought this might be a change someone else may want to try. I also increased the oil.

    Today's version
    1 1/8 tsp gelatin (1/2 packet)
    1 T coconut milk
    1/8 tsp ACV
    1 1/2 tsp oil (1/2 tsp olive, 1/2 tsp avocado, 1/2 coconut oil)
    1/4 mashed banana
    1 T conditioner

    -I leave out the honey because I put it in my DT after
    -I'm starting to think the avocado oil might be drying out my hair. (or it could be winter:sad10:)
    -coconut milk + banana smells yummy
    -Off Topic: Coconut milk is great in chai tea.
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    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • nikskenikske Posts: 556Registered Users
    I just realized I never posted here to tell you how much I love your PT recipe, IAgirl, even though in other threads I have sung the praises of your PT.

    This is my recipe, tweaked to my hair, and it's been working great:

    1/4 cup of water
    1/4 cup of coconut milk
    1 packet of gelatin
    1/8 ts of ACV
    a little avocado oil (did not measure)
    a little conditioner

    With this recipe, I don't even need to use any conditioner afterward to detangle my hair, it just doesn't get hard or straw-like. My hair is shiny and much stronger, so thank you ever so much!

    I don't use heat, been afraid to use heat on my very heat sensitive hair, but I'm going to definitely give it a go next time. How do you all do this, I mean how do you keep it from dripping all over, or do you use a shower cap or something like that? Would using a cap make applying heat less effective?

    I'm going to have to try it with banana, Pedaheh, your recipe looks intriguing.
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  • IAgirlIAgirl Posts: 2,540Registered Users
    I put a non-zipper plastic bag over my hair and that seems to hold most of it in. I let the warm water run over my bagged, PT'd head in the shower (LOUD!) and that seems to do the trick. I try for about 5 minutes. Heat speeds up the reaction of the protein bonding to the hair and the acid makes sure that happens.
    I've been too lazy to put in the banana of late, but I like it. Coconut milk is an interesting idea -- are you gals making curries with the rest of the can?
    Yum!
    Glad the PT works for you Nikske.
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