Are sulfate free clarifying shampoos the same as a regular sulfate free shampoo

Sorry I'm just a bit confused. My whole life I've just been using regular drugstore sulfate shampoos.
2c/3a; low porosity; fine texture
Shampoo: Aussie Moisturizing Shampoo; Giovanni TTT Shampoo, Renpure Organics Shampoo (red bottle), Bragg ACV
Conditioner: AO Honey Suckle Rose, Renpure Organics Conditioner (red bottle)
Co-Wash: Suave Tropical Coconut
D.T: CJ Curl Rehab
L.I: CJ BC; KCKT; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free
Styler: KCCC; L.A Looks Sports; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Strong Hold Gel
Pomade: Kinky Curly Gloss Pomade
P.T: CJ Curl Fix
Scalp Moisturizer: Shea Butter


Comments

  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034
    Yes and no. Sulfate-free shampoos can remove silicones and some other non-water-soluble ingredients just like regular sulfate shampoos. However, the surfactants in them (like cocobetaine or cocamidopropyl betaine) are not as harsh as the SLS found in sulfate shampoos.

    Here's an ingredient-specific article about what removes silicones:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/whats-the-scoop-on-silicones

    HTH!
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • CurlyColombianaCurlyColombiana Registered Users Posts: 82
    Yes and no. Sulfate-free shampoos can remove silicones and some other non-water-soluble ingredients just like regular sulfate shampoos. However, the surfactants in them (like cocobetaine or cocamidopropyl betaine) are not as harsh as the SLS found in sulfate shampoos.

    Here's an ingredient-specific article about what removes silicones:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/whats-the-scoop-on-silicones

    HTH!

    Hey thanks for the response and the link. I have a question though. The products that I am currently using contain sulfates/silicones. I'm thinking about switching up my products to organic products. Here are the products I have in mind that I would like to purchase very soon:
    AOHR conditioner
    Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Invigorating sulfate-free Shampoo
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Mop-Top-Deep-Conditioner-p-719.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=moptop-deep-conditioner]Moptop deep conditioner[/buylink]
    KCNT
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink]

    I heard that before you start using organic hair products, that you have to wash your hair for the last time with a sulfate shampoo. Is that true? If so, then what exactly do you do? Wash your hair with a sulfate shampoo and then when you come out the shower just start using the organic products?
    2c/3a; low porosity; fine texture
    Shampoo: Aussie Moisturizing Shampoo; Giovanni TTT Shampoo, Renpure Organics Shampoo (red bottle), Bragg ACV
    Conditioner: AO Honey Suckle Rose, Renpure Organics Conditioner (red bottle)
    Co-Wash: Suave Tropical Coconut
    D.T: CJ Curl Rehab
    L.I: CJ BC; KCKT; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free
    Styler: KCCC; L.A Looks Sports; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Strong Hold Gel
    Pomade: Kinky Curly Gloss Pomade
    P.T: CJ Curl Fix
    Scalp Moisturizer: Shea Butter


  • Eighty7Eighty7 Registered Users Posts: 109
    I wonder that too..
    because if they do the same..why not make all shampoos sulfate free?
    Last Relaxer : March 2, 2010.
    Big Chop : June 8, 2011
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034
    Yes and no. Sulfate-free shampoos can remove silicones and some other non-water-soluble ingredients just like regular sulfate shampoos. However, the surfactants in them (like cocobetaine or cocamidopropyl betaine) are not as harsh as the SLS found in sulfate shampoos.

    Here's an ingredient-specific article about what removes silicones:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/whats-the-scoop-on-silicones

    HTH!

    Hey thanks for the response and the link. I have a question though. The products that I am currently using contain sulfates/silicones. I'm thinking about switching up my products to organic products. Here are the products I have in mind that I would like to purchase very soon:
    AOHR conditioner
    Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Invigorating sulfate-free Shampoo
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Mop-Top-Deep-Conditioner-p-719.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=moptop-deep-conditioner]Moptop deep conditioner[/buylink]
    KCNT
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink]

    I heard that before you start using organic hair products, that you have to wash your hair for the last time with a sulfate shampoo. Is that true? If so, then what exactly do you do? Wash your hair with a sulfate shampoo and then when you come out the shower just start using the organic products?

    You do have to wash your hair with shampoo before using silicone-free products, but the Giovanni shampoo should remove whatever build-up you have from using silicones right now. So you can just jump into a new routine using those products.
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034
    Eighty7 wrote: »
    I wonder that too..
    because if they do the same..why not make all shampoos sulfate free?

    I know, right? My guess is it's probably cheaper for them to make and suds up easily. A lot of people associate soap suds with better cleaning power.
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • CurlyColombianaCurlyColombiana Registered Users Posts: 82
    Yes and no. Sulfate-free shampoos can remove silicones and some other non-water-soluble ingredients just like regular sulfate shampoos. However, the surfactants in them (like cocobetaine or cocamidopropyl betaine) are not as harsh as the SLS found in sulfate shampoos.

    Here's an ingredient-specific article about what removes silicones:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/whats-the-scoop-on-silicones

    HTH!

    Hey thanks for the response and the link. I have a question though. The products that I am currently using contain sulfates/silicones. I'm thinking about switching up my products to organic products. Here are the products I have in mind that I would like to purchase very soon:
    AOHR conditioner
    Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Invigorating sulfate-free Shampoo
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Mop-Top-Deep-Conditioner-p-719.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=moptop-deep-conditioner]Moptop deep conditioner[/buylink]
    KCNT
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink]

    I heard that before you start using organic hair products, that you have to wash your hair for the last time with a sulfate shampoo. Is that true? If so, then what exactly do you do? Wash your hair with a sulfate shampoo and then when you come out the shower just start using the organic products?

    You do have to wash your hair with shampoo before using silicone-free products, but the Giovanni shampoo should remove whatever build-up you have from using silicones right now. So you can just jump into a new routine using those products.

    Ok thanks. So how many times a week should I use the Giovanni shampoo?
    2c/3a; low porosity; fine texture
    Shampoo: Aussie Moisturizing Shampoo; Giovanni TTT Shampoo, Renpure Organics Shampoo (red bottle), Bragg ACV
    Conditioner: AO Honey Suckle Rose, Renpure Organics Conditioner (red bottle)
    Co-Wash: Suave Tropical Coconut
    D.T: CJ Curl Rehab
    L.I: CJ BC; KCKT; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free
    Styler: KCCC; L.A Looks Sports; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Strong Hold Gel
    Pomade: Kinky Curly Gloss Pomade
    P.T: CJ Curl Fix
    Scalp Moisturizer: Shea Butter


  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034
    You do have to wash your hair with shampoo before using silicone-free products, but the Giovanni shampoo should remove whatever build-up you have from using silicones right now. So you can just jump into a new routine using those products.

    Ok thanks. So how many times a week should I use the Giovanni shampoo?

    I don't use shampoo, so I'm not much help. I've heard that some people use it a few times a week, while others do once a week and incorporate co-washing into their routine.
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • KurlyKAZKurlyKAZ Registered Users Posts: 14
    My leave-in has amo'cone in it, so I use the Giovanni TTTT shampoo once a week just to remove any build-up (and feel the tingle!) and co-wash the rest of the time. I also do an occasional ACV rinse. I haven't been CG-ish for long, so I'm not an expert, but it seems to do well in my hair. HTH!
    Began Mod CG 8/29/10
    Mostly 3a (I think) with some 2a & 2b thrown in for good measure, porous due to color, normal elasticity
    Loves ACV and maybe protein

    Low-poo: Giovanni TTTT
    CO-wash: V05 Kiwi Lime
    Condish: GF Triple Nutrition
    Leave-in: GF Sleek & Shine (HG??), LOOB, almond oil
    Gel: LA Looks Sport
    Straightening (I know, I know! I just like a change every once in a while!): FX Flat Iron spray, Jonathan Dirt

    Still experimenting with products, but generally, the cheaper the better!

  • CurlyColombianaCurlyColombiana Registered Users Posts: 82
    You do have to wash your hair with shampoo before using silicone-free products, but the Giovanni shampoo should remove whatever build-up you have from using silicones right now. So you can just jump into a new routine using those products.

    Ok thanks. So how many times a week should I use the Giovanni shampoo?

    I don't use shampoo, so I'm not much help. I've heard that some people use it a few times a week, while others do once a week and incorporate co-washing into their routine.

    Since you don't use shampoo, how do you get products out of your hair? Do you just use conditioner?
    2c/3a; low porosity; fine texture
    Shampoo: Aussie Moisturizing Shampoo; Giovanni TTT Shampoo, Renpure Organics Shampoo (red bottle), Bragg ACV
    Conditioner: AO Honey Suckle Rose, Renpure Organics Conditioner (red bottle)
    Co-Wash: Suave Tropical Coconut
    D.T: CJ Curl Rehab
    L.I: CJ BC; KCKT; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free
    Styler: KCCC; L.A Looks Sports; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Strong Hold Gel
    Pomade: Kinky Curly Gloss Pomade
    P.T: CJ Curl Fix
    Scalp Moisturizer: Shea Butter


  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034

    Since you don't use shampoo, how do you get products out of your hair? Do you just use conditioner?

    Yep. All of my products are water-soluble and I follow a co-washing routine.
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • CurlyColombianaCurlyColombiana Registered Users Posts: 82

    Since you don't use shampoo, how do you get products out of your hair? Do you just use conditioner?

    Yep. All of my products are water-soluble and I follow a co-washing routine.

    Do you know if [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and KCNT are water-soluble? I'm just asking because I really don't want to buy shampoo (even if it's sulfate free). I just rather wash my hair with AOHR conditioner and thats it. My hair is just really thin and it gets damaged easily.
    2c/3a; low porosity; fine texture
    Shampoo: Aussie Moisturizing Shampoo; Giovanni TTT Shampoo, Renpure Organics Shampoo (red bottle), Bragg ACV
    Conditioner: AO Honey Suckle Rose, Renpure Organics Conditioner (red bottle)
    Co-Wash: Suave Tropical Coconut
    D.T: CJ Curl Rehab
    L.I: CJ BC; KCKT; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free
    Styler: KCCC; L.A Looks Sports; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Strong Hold Gel
    Pomade: Kinky Curly Gloss Pomade
    P.T: CJ Curl Fix
    Scalp Moisturizer: Shea Butter


  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034
    All of the products you listed are water-soluble, so you shouldn't have any problems. I use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] a lot and love them.

    AOHR is a pretty thick conditioner that's usually used for a rinse-out. Generally lighter conditioners are used for co-washing, like the Suave Naturals or V05 conditioners.

    Here's some more info on co-washing (in case you haven't seen it):
    http://dormroomcurly.blogspot.com/2008/12/style-definitions-table.html
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • CurlyColombianaCurlyColombiana Registered Users Posts: 82
    All of the products you listed are water-soluble, so you shouldn't have any problems. I use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] a lot and love them.

    AOHR is a pretty thick conditioner that's usually used for a rinse-out. Generally lighter conditioners are used for co-washing, like the Suave Naturals or V05 conditioners.

    Here's some more info on co-washing (in case you haven't seen it):
    http://dormroomcurly.blogspot.com/2008/12/style-definitions-table.html

    Thanks so much for your help and that link. It basically answered all of my questions :)
    2c/3a; low porosity; fine texture
    Shampoo: Aussie Moisturizing Shampoo; Giovanni TTT Shampoo, Renpure Organics Shampoo (red bottle), Bragg ACV
    Conditioner: AO Honey Suckle Rose, Renpure Organics Conditioner (red bottle)
    Co-Wash: Suave Tropical Coconut
    D.T: CJ Curl Rehab
    L.I: CJ BC; KCKT; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free
    Styler: KCCC; L.A Looks Sports; Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Strong Hold Gel
    Pomade: Kinky Curly Gloss Pomade
    P.T: CJ Curl Fix
    Scalp Moisturizer: Shea Butter


  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Registered Users Posts: 2,034
    You're welcome! Good luck with your new routine! :)
    CG since 6/15/08!
    Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

    http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Registered Users Posts: 1,068 Curl Neophyte
    If you do decide to cowash with AOHR you might want to thin it first.

    I love it as a rinse out.
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • morrighumorrighu Registered Users Posts: 707
    As to why they use them, SLS and other sulfates are largely by-products - left overs if you will - from making more profitable things. If they can find a way to palm the left overs off on the rest of us, that's even more profit for the big chemcial companies.

    Guess what sulfates are used for- degreasing 18-wheeler engines

    What stupid ()*^%$ thinks putting that on your head is going to give you healthy shiny hair?

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