Question: can you combine two box colors?

solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
Color experts:

Clairol Natural Instincts 24 Clove Med Ash Brown was too dark; 14 Tweed Light Ash Brown was too light. Can I blend the two to try to get an in-between shade? Any advice?

TIA!
Knightess Firmus Aurum, Maid of the Mitten, Slayer of Dissertation Dragons in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix, Tigi MM
Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
Techniques: Plop and Diffuse
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  • ninja dogninja dog Registered Users Posts: 23,780 Curl Neophyte
    Having fixed several mistakes by applying a lighter color over one that's too dark, I would say that your idea calls for a strand test.

    I don't think it's a bad idea at all, but you may want to see in advance what you'll wind up with.
  • RacerWife7RacerWife7 Registered Users Posts: 895 Curl Novice
    ninjadog has good points. That being said, my Mom has been using 2 colors for years with good results. She's a... maybe 2B. But, I'm sure she tested to see if it would work first. ;)

    One other thing - make sure you're using 2 of the same exact brand and type in 2 different colors. At least then you know it's the same formula, just different colors. ;) Good luck!

    Oh - duh. I see that you have the same formulas in different colors. Good job. LOL!
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  • EmerwenEmerwen Registered Users Posts: 138
    I would not mix two colors from different brands. The last two times I have tried that have resulted with my hair being Maroon - and one of those times, it was a horrible, horrible, radioactive looking red! So, I would stay away from mixing between brands.
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
    I was too lazy and cheap to try mixing the two Clairols, so I got Garnier Herbashine in 510 Medium Ash Brown and I really like it! (Though the color is a thick creme as opposed to a liquid--I had a harder time applying the creme than I have in the past with Clairol.) There's another thread out there about the Herbashine and I'll comment on that one too.
    Knightess Firmus Aurum, Maid of the Mitten, Slayer of Dissertation Dragons in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
    2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
    Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix, Tigi MM
    Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
    Techniques: Plop and Diffuse
    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1368664&postcount=97
  • anniemaeanniemae Registered Users Posts: 1,702 Curl Neophyte
    solidgold wrote: »
    I was too lazy and cheap to try mixing the two Clairols, so I got Garnier Herbashine in 510 Medium Ash Brown and I really like it! (Though the color is a thick creme as opposed to a liquid--I had a harder time applying the creme than I have in the past with Clairol.) There's another thread out there about the Herbashine and I'll comment on that one too.

    solidgold,
    I realize you wrote this post a while ago, but how did you like your haircolor? Do you like Herbashine? How long did the color last?
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
    I ended up liking the Garnier better than the Clairol. It seemed to last a little longer than Clairol and it didn't fade as brassy. I would say it lasts about 6-8 weeks. After 2 or 3 times using Garnier, I would say my hair is not as brassy as it used to be. I last colored in early December, and by now I'm due for another, but I've been lazy about it. I was going to try a gloss instead of a color this time. HTH, anniemae!
    Knightess Firmus Aurum, Maid of the Mitten, Slayer of Dissertation Dragons in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
    2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
    Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix, Tigi MM
    Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
    Techniques: Plop and Diffuse
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  • anniemaeanniemae Registered Users Posts: 1,702 Curl Neophyte
    Thank you for your quick response, solidgold!!

    How often do you wash your hair? I go to a salon for color, but my hair fades so, so fast. I tend to wash my hair everyday, though :( - not good for maintaining color. I have to get it colored about every 5 weeks. I really would like to try to do it myself.

    If you can, let me know what gloss you end up using. The next time I get my hair colored, I am going to try Robert Craig Clear color to help seal in the color.

    Thanks for your thoughts!!
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
    I try to wash every other day. I don't like to do it every day, but sometimes it can't be helped. I'll let you know what happens with the gloss!
    Knightess Firmus Aurum, Maid of the Mitten, Slayer of Dissertation Dragons in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
    2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
    Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix, Tigi MM
    Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
    Techniques: Plop and Diffuse
    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1368664&postcount=97
  • anniemaeanniemae Registered Users Posts: 1,702 Curl Neophyte
    solidgold - thanks!! good luck. :)
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    2b-c/F/ii
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  • ninja dogninja dog Registered Users Posts: 23,780 Curl Neophyte
    I'm going to try this method myself. Why did I never think of mixing at one time?

    D'uh.
  • SheBrosSheBros Registered Users Posts: 332
    I've mixed two shades of HerbaShine (light ash brown and medium ash brown) and got very good results. My hair takes a lot of color so the medium ash brown was just a couple of shades too dark so I mixed the two with good results. The ash in the HS line is suppose to counteract brassiness which it does wonderfully. My WM doesn't carry the ash shades anymore (not sure why) so I tried just the medium and light brown and mixed them. My hair turned brassy pretty quick so I won't do this again. My hair naturally has reddish highlights so it only emphasized them more.

    I just recently picked up the demi permanent Ion Shine color at Sally's and will try that next. The only thing about HS is that sometimes it will last 6 weeks and sometimes only 4. I want a brand that will last a little longer so I'm trying Ion which has great reviews.
    3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
    Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
    Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
    Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
    Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
    Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
    Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
  • slivolaslivola Registered Users Posts: 372
    To slow down color from fading, I've had such great success from Aveda's color conditioners. I have red hair and that fades so fast, but I use the aveda madder root (red) conditioner mixed with a drop of the clove (dark brown) and leave on for about five minutes or longer if I have the extra time, then rinse out and then apply my usual conditioner. Even eight weeks after coloring, I still have vibrant hair (just a little lighter but really amazing).

    I think those of you with brown hair would have great results from Aveda's clove conditioner. Expensive but worth it! Use gloves though- it stains and have a cheap shampoo ready to put on your shower tiles if you spill so it won't stain that either!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • ninja dogninja dog Registered Users Posts: 23,780 Curl Neophyte
    Geez!

    You do have vibrant color, Slivola!

    Wow!
  • slivolaslivola Registered Users Posts: 372
    Thanks! You can see it changes depending on the lighting, but it's all because of aveda's color conditioner. Before I started using it, I would have completely faded to a light copper with blondish highlights by the time those pics were taken!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Registered Users Posts: 355
    SheBros wrote: »
    I've mixed two shades of HerbaShine (light ash brown and medium ash brown) and got very good results. My hair takes a lot of color so the medium ash brown was just a couple of shades too dark so I mixed the two with good results. The ash in the HS line is suppose to counteract brassiness which it does wonderfully. My WM doesn't carry the ash shades anymore (not sure why) so I tried just the medium and light brown and mixed them. My hair turned brassy pretty quick so I won't do this again. My hair naturally has reddish highlights so it only emphasized them more.

    I just recently picked up the demi permanent Ion Shine color at Sally's and will try that next. The only thing about HS is that sometimes it will last 6 weeks and sometimes only 4. I want a brand that will last a little longer so I'm trying Ion which has great reviews.



    Hi: Just wondering if you're still using the HerbaShine or did you switch to a different brand? Do you have much gray as far as roots go?
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • SheBrosSheBros Registered Users Posts: 332
    [QUOTE=KarenRB53;1632505
    Hi: Just wondering if you're still using the HerbaShine or did you switch to a different brand? Do you have much gray as far as roots go?[/QUOTE]

    Karen: I'm still using HerbaShine. I did purchase the Ion semi permanent dye from Sally's but returned it before I even tried it. I read some more reviews on Ion and decided to stay with HS. I just found out that HB is/has discontinued the light ash brown shade that I mix with the medium ash brown shade. The last time I dyed my hair (6 weeks ago), I got the best color (mixed 3 parts med to 1 part light). The only show through I have is right in front in my hair line which I can easily hide with Sally's coverup stuff (looks like mascara). I basically only have gray in my hair line to the left of my center part. Very, very little in the rest of my hair. HTH.
    3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
    Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
    Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
    Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
    Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
    Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
    Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Registered Users Posts: 355
    SheBros wrote: »
    [QUOTE=KarenRB53;1632505
    Hi: Just wondering if you're still using the HerbaShine or did you switch to a different brand? Do you have much gray as far as roots go?

    Karen: I'm still using HerbaShine. I did purchase the Ion semi permanent dye from Sally's but returned it before I even tried it. I read some more reviews on Ion and decided to stay with HS. I just found out that HB is/has discontinued the light ash brown shade that I mix with the medium ash brown shade. The last time I dyed my hair (6 weeks ago), I got the best color (mixed 3 parts med to 1 part light). The only show through I have is right in front in my hair line which I can easily hide with Sally's coverup stuff (looks like mascara). I basically only have gray in my hair line to the left of my center part. Very, very little in the rest of my hair. HTH.[/QUOTE]
    What do you think you'll try now that they have discontinued the light ash brown shade?
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • slivolaslivola Registered Users Posts: 372
    Just curious- is everyone using the 20 volume developer that comes with box dyes? I've heard it's very damaging for the ends of hair. I always use 20 volume but I'm going to switch to just using 20 on the roots and then 10 volume on the rest of my hair for the last 10 minutes. Has anyone tried that?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Registered Users Posts: 355
    slivola wrote: »
    Just curious- is everyone using the 20 volume developer that comes with box dyes? I've heard it's very damaging for the ends of hair. I always use 20 volume but I'm going to switch to just using 20 on the roots and then 10 volume on the rest of my hair for the last 10 minutes. Has anyone tried that?



    Thats an interesting idea!! Is 10 volume strong enough to deposit the color?
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • slivolaslivola Registered Users Posts: 372
    I've been told by stylists that for lifting color several levels lighter than a volume 20 is needed for the roots. But once hair has been lightened and is just being recolored, essentially you are lightening up already faded hair to deposit a darker color rather than just adding the color. One stylist told me that once hair has been colored for a long time it gets so porous that just a demi will work just as well (except on the roots) with a 10 volume or even less. I'm going to ask my stylist when I get a trim next week.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • ninja dogninja dog Registered Users Posts: 23,780 Curl Neophyte
    Please let us know what you learn, slivola. I've been wondering asbout this myself lately, after a big mess with hot roots and ugh last month.

    TIA
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Registered Users Posts: 355
    slivola wrote: »
    I've been told by stylists that for lifting color several levels lighter than a volume 20 is needed for the roots. But once hair has been lightened and is just being recolored, essentially you are lightening up already faded hair to deposit a darker color rather than just adding the color. One stylist told me that once hair has been colored for a long time it gets so porous that just a demi will work just as well (except on the roots) with a 10 volume or even less. I'm going to ask my stylist when I get a trim next week.



    Great information...please let us know what your stylist has to say.
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • SheBrosSheBros Registered Users Posts: 332
    Karen: I'm going to purchase the ash blonde and mix with med ash brown and see what happens. Also, I did some checking online, there are two stores that still have the light ash brown. I'm going to check this weekend and purchase all they have probably. I've check at numerous stores and they have already pulled the LAB but two stores show it in stock. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I really like HS so don't want to change brands unless I absolutely have to. I'm 6 weeks into my last dye job and my hair is still looking great color-wise. This is the longest my color has lasted with HS. And, I've been using a sulfate poo. Imagine that!
    3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
    Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
    Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
    Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
    Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
    Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
    Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
  • slivolaslivola Registered Users Posts: 372
    Karen- I talked with a different stylist today who said I could even go less than 10 volume for a demi. She said sometimes they sell 4% volume for demis which would be even less damaging. She said the difference with demis is that I should leave them on the whole time (rather than the last 10 minutes after coloring my roots with my 20 volume.) She also suggested I consider switching from 20 volume to 10 volume with permanent color for my roots since I don't have much grey.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Registered Users Posts: 355
    slivola wrote: »
    Karen- I talked with a different stylist today who said I could even go less than 10 volume for a demi. She said sometimes they sell 4% volume for demis which would be even less damaging. She said the difference with demis is that I should leave them on the whole time (rather than the last 10 minutes after coloring my roots with my 20 volume.) She also suggested I consider switching from 20 volume to 10 volume with permanent color for my roots since I don't have much grey.



    Thanks so much for sharing this info. Do you think you'll try a demi color or stick with the Clairol prof?
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Registered Users Posts: 355
    Also..is HerbaShine a demi or semi permanent? What about Natural Instincts?
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • slivolaslivola Registered Users Posts: 372
    Karen- yes, I'm going to try out the demi and then either the 10 or 20 volume of developer for the permanent color. I'm going to try wella's 55/44 permanent on my roots and the corresponding demi/semi for the rest of my hair (not sure what the demi verses semi difference is but the stylist I talked to said either are fine and less damaging). The clairol professional line is okay but not as vibrant as what I want. If not for the aveda madder red deposit conditioner I use, my color is copper that fades quickly.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a (
    with 3b)
    Fine texture/Normal porosity/Medium density
    Low Poo
    (Aveda's damage remedy); Styling: Aveda's: Color Conserve Daily leave in+ Be Curly Style Prep+ Phomollient (mixed w/ Defining Whip)
    Finishing: Aveda's Texturizing Creme or Defining Whip; Eufora Pure Polish Drops
    Color
    Maintenance:
    Aveda's Madder Root condish+Clove condish

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