Hair Products and Their Bases

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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree with Naturalista...e-wax, if used correctly, doesn't have to be all icky feeling. I think it depends on the product.

    And hippychic...don't even get me started on the chocolate smell!!! I am sitting here with my Cocolatte now...and was reading the ingredients like wait...how the hell does this smell like chocolate when she doesn't list any kind of fragrance oil and shea butter DOES NOT smell like chocolate...
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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ellepixie wrote: »
    I agree with Naturalista...e-wax, if used correctly, doesn't have to be all icky feeling. I think it depends on the product.

    And hippychic...don't even get me started on the chocolate smell!!! I am sitting here with my Cocolatte now...and was reading the ingredients like wait...how the hell does this smell like chocolate when she doesn't list any kind of fragrance oil and shea butter DOES NOT smell like chocolate...

    I think she said it was from the raw coco butter. And yes coco butter can have a FAINT scent like coco....but she's lying if she says she's not adding fragrance to that product.
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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    An AfroVeda Consulting report...not much, but very interesting and may explain all her tomfoolery.
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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ellepixie wrote: »
    I agree with Naturalista...e-wax, if used correctly, doesn't have to be all icky feeling. I think it depends on the product.

    And hippychic...don't even get me started on the chocolate smell!!! I am sitting here with my Cocolatte now...and was reading the ingredients like wait...how the hell does this smell like chocolate when she doesn't list any kind of fragrance oil and shea butter DOES NOT smell like chocolate...

    I think she said it was from the raw coco butter. And yes coco butter can have a FAINT scent like coco....but she's lying if she says she's not adding fragrance to that product.

    I'd take that explanation, except that cocoa butter is not listed on my jar and it says, "The natural aroma of raw shea butter provides the perfect cocoa scent!!"
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    If she is using a base, she would not be adding another emulsifier. That would mean heating the base and with a preservative already in it, that will make the preservative not effective anymore.

    IA with Elle. If it was a base, her butters would be at least consistent. When using bases, people don't add an excess of 5% of stuff into it (I think I'm remembering this correctly, don't remember where I read this). You can't do that or you will make everything unstable. In order to add any solids, you would have to heat the base to the melting point of the new solid (e.g., emulsifier) usually 65 C or more, at which point the preservative and all other heat sensitive ingredients in the base, are not effective anymore

    Also, emulsifying wax feels very different from something like ecomulse. E-wax is very waxy-feeling and you would not be getting that smooth, wet like feel with it, as you do with ecomulse. So, no, I don't think she uses e-wax at all. I've used both emulsifiers and I would not be putting e-wax in my hair because it's too waxy for me (every product I've tried that has used e-wax as an emulsifier left my hair feeling waxy and coated--beautiful curls leave in, sheamoisture curl and style milk for example)

    BINGO. Maybe that's why her butters are molding and/or smelling funny and people are complaining about the consistency issue. You've got to admit, when she first started out, i don't recall ANYONE complaining about stuff getting moldy fast or about them seperating. Once she started added more stuff to her butters and changing the ingredients,...that's when the complaints started.

    Damn!! Beat me to the punch NCC!! ^5!!

    E-wax doesn't have to be all bad. I don't deal in wax, but is it all all or nothing phenomena? How much you need to emulsify is product dependent, and if she's using something additional to emulsify to make the consistency more uniform can you you really predict what you'll get, especially if heat is added to the mix?
    I'm not denying whatever she is doing is shady (whatever it is we don't know). I'm just saying e-wax feels very different from ecomulse. Even if you have a little (and all you need is a little to emulsify depending on your formula. E-wax would not give the same product feel as ecomulse. I've used both, so I know. And if you mix them both you will not get the same feel as either and it still won't be as good as ecomulse

    Yes, people started complaining when she added the ricemilk. Things like that milk powders, even aloe are tricky to preserve, so you have to know what you are doing. If at first her preservative system was working right and then she added the milk and didn't see if her system is working with the new formula, then that's what you get spoiled milk smell
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    I agree with Naturalista...e-wax, if used correctly, doesn't have to be all icky feeling. I think it depends on the product.

    And hippychic...don't even get me started on the chocolate smell!!! I am sitting here with my Cocolatte now...and was reading the ingredients like wait...how the hell does this smell like chocolate when she doesn't list any kind of fragrance oil and shea butter DOES NOT smell like chocolate...

    I think she said it was from the raw coco butter. And yes coco butter can have a FAINT scent like coco....but she's lying if she says she's not adding fragrance to that product.
    funny though there is NO cocobutter in the cocolatte... I was very confused about this. No one will not buy your product because it has fragrance, just say what's in it
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    I agree with Naturalista...e-wax, if used correctly, doesn't have to be all icky feeling. I think it depends on the product.

    And hippychic...don't even get me started on the chocolate smell!!! I am sitting here with my Cocolatte now...and was reading the ingredients like wait...how the hell does this smell like chocolate when she doesn't list any kind of fragrance oil and shea butter DOES NOT smell like chocolate...
    e-wax is draggy. Period. It makes a good lotion, but for some people, it feels too waxy on hair. Ecomulse (or other emulsifiers) are better for hair. Ecomulse is just superior to e-wax period. If sheamoisture would substitute ecomulse for e-wax you will be able to tell the difference very easily. It's just better, feels better and does more in terms of moisturizing than e-wax can.

    It does depend on the product, you can compare a product that has e-wax solely as the emulsifier and another product that has no e-wax, you will know which one feels better. In hair products, e-wax is used in combination with other hair conditioning emulsifiers for a better feel (also cuts costs because e-wax is usually cheaper than more superior emulsifiers)
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  • princessai16princessai16 Posts: 125Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »

    BINGO. Maybe that's why her butters are molding and/or smelling funny and people are complaining about the consistency issue. You've got to admit, when she first started out, i don't recall ANYONE complaining about stuff getting moldy fast or about them seperating. Once she started added more stuff to her butters and changing the ingredients,...that's when the complaints started.

    Damn!! Beat me to the punch NCC!! ^5!!

    E-wax doesn't have to be all bad. I don't deal in wax, but is it all all or nothing phenomena? How much you need to emulsify is product dependent, and if she's using something additional to emulsify to make the consistency more uniform can you you really predict what you'll get, especially if heat is added to the mix?
    I'm not denying whatever she is doing is shady (whatever it is we don't know). I'm just saying e-wax feels very different from ecomulse. Even if you have a little (and all you need is a little to emulsify depending on your formula. E-wax would not give the same product feel as ecomulse. I've used both, so I know. And if you mix them both you will not get the same feel as either and it still won't be as good as ecomulse

    Yes, people started complaining when she added the ricemilk. Things like that milk powders, even aloe are tricky to preserve, so you have to know what you are doing. If at first her preservative system was working right and then she added the milk and didn't see if her system is working with the new formula, then that's what you get spoiled milk smell

    A bunch of her conditioners are mainly organic aloe, like the first word on the ingredients. So what are you guys saying? That her products aren't worth buying because they spoil easily or either they don't work properly?
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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ellepixie wrote: »
    An AfroVeda Consulting report...not much, but very interesting and may explain all her tomfoolery.


    DAYUM...its amazing what you can find on the internet.

    This line made me laugh out loud "Each Ayurveda recipe is intricately delicate and requires much attention to detail, which simply cannot be guaranteed if a third party were to assume charge"

    Actually, I think if she went and got everything outsourced to a third party manufucturer, things might be better, but its hard to do that when 75% of your products are bases (Assuming the butters are not)
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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ellepixie wrote: »
    I agree with Naturalista...e-wax, if used correctly, doesn't have to be all icky feeling. I think it depends on the product.

    And hippychic...don't even get me started on the chocolate smell!!! I am sitting here with my Cocolatte now...and was reading the ingredients like wait...how the hell does this smell like chocolate when she doesn't list any kind of fragrance oil and shea butter DOES NOT smell like chocolate...

    I think she said it was from the raw coco butter. And yes coco butter can have a FAINT scent like coco....but she's lying if she says she's not adding fragrance to that product.
    funny though there is NO cocobutter in the cocolatte... I was very confused about this. No one will not buy your product because it has fragrance, just say what's in it


    I could have sworn the original had coco butter....just like the original shea amla had AMLA in it.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    An AfroVeda Consulting report...not much, but very interesting and may explain all her tomfoolery.


    DAYUM...its amazing what you can find on the internet.

    This line made me laugh out loud "Each Ayurveda recipe is intricately delicate and requires much attention to detail, which simply cannot be guaranteed if a third party were to assume charge"

    Actually, I think if she went and got everything outsourced to a third party manufucturer, things might be better, but its hard to do that when 75% of your products are bases (Assuming the butters are not)
    I KNOW!!!!--we should NOT be able to find this at all

    Things would be better if she outsourced, but I can understand her position of not wanting to. She can find a good company to do this. There are two places in Texas that I know of that she can use. There are agreements and such that can be filled to put her mind at ease. That might be better than all this mess...

    ETA: yea, if she is using bases, she can't actually outsource (unless she is using the bases that the contract manufacturer has to offer). If she wants them to create her products , she will need a formula and it doesn't look like she has any for any of her products (maybe the butters)
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  • artemisartemis Posts: 86Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    artemis wrote: »

    Plus there is a difference between "private label agreements" and companies selling the same product manufactured in the same facility under different brands with different price points. Private label agreements are when a formulator stikes a deal with someone what a manufacturing facility to mass product a product for them. The formulator retains EXCLUSIVE rights to the formula, and the owner of the facility gets a flat manufacturing payment.

    +1. Plus, a dry blend containing fatty alcohols and an emulsifier isn't a base per se. You have to add the water, oils, herbs, preservative, etc yourself making it a unique formula. Bulk liquid, cream and butter bases are pre-fabricated formulas that already contain all the water, oils, herbs, preservative, etc needed. The customer only needs to add scent to finish. Naturmulse is an emulsifier like BTMS and a million others out there which every emulsion needs, commercial or handmade. Without an emulsifier the product will separate.
    using a blend of emulsifiers is not the same as a base. Otherwise, we can say that everyone who uses BTMS is using a base and that's not true at all. A base is an emulsion (in the case of conditioner or lotion) that is created in bulk and all you need to do is add fragrance and preservative (and sometimes just fragrance)

    Right, that's what I was pointing out...that there's a difference between a liquid pre-fab base and an emulsifier. I used Naturmulse and BTMS as examples of an emulsifier as opposed to a pre-fab base. Someone referred to naturmulse as a base.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »

    I think she said it was from the raw coco butter. And yes coco butter can have a FAINT scent like coco....but she's lying if she says she's not adding fragrance to that product.
    funny though there is NO cocobutter in the cocolatte... I was very confused about this. No one will not buy your product because it has fragrance, just say what's in it


    I could have sworn the original had coco butter....just like the original shea amla had AMLA in it.
    GOSH for real? So she kept calling them names that were not descriptive when she changed it? DAYUM it's really worse than I though
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    artemis wrote: »
    coilynapp wrote: »
    artemis wrote: »

    +1. Plus, a dry blend containing fatty alcohols and an emulsifier isn't a base per se. You have to add the water, oils, herbs, preservative, etc yourself making it a unique formula. Bulk liquid, cream and butter bases are pre-fabricated formulas that already contain all the water, oils, herbs, preservative, etc needed. The customer only needs to add scent to finish. Naturmulse is an emulsifier like BTMS and a million others out there which every emulsion needs, commercial or handmade. Without an emulsifier the product will separate.
    using a blend of emulsifiers is not the same as a base. Otherwise, we can say that everyone who uses BTMS is using a base and that's not true at all. A base is an emulsion (in the case of conditioner or lotion) that is created in bulk and all you need to do is add fragrance and preservative (and sometimes just fragrance)

    Right, that's what I was pointing out...that there's a difference between a liquid pre-fab base and an emulsifier. I used Naturmulse and BTMS as examples of an emulsifier as opposed to a pre-fab base. Someone referred to naturmulse as a base.
    yes, I saw that other post, too lazy to find it and quote it. I was agreeing with you :)
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »

    Damn!! Beat me to the punch NCC!! ^5!!

    E-wax doesn't have to be all bad. I don't deal in wax, but is it all all or nothing phenomena? How much you need to emulsify is product dependent, and if she's using something additional to emulsify to make the consistency more uniform can you you really predict what you'll get, especially if heat is added to the mix?
    I'm not denying whatever she is doing is shady (whatever it is we don't know). I'm just saying e-wax feels very different from ecomulse. Even if you have a little (and all you need is a little to emulsify depending on your formula. E-wax would not give the same product feel as ecomulse. I've used both, so I know. And if you mix them both you will not get the same feel as either and it still won't be as good as ecomulse

    Yes, people started complaining when she added the ricemilk. Things like that milk powders, even aloe are tricky to preserve, so you have to know what you are doing. If at first her preservative system was working right and then she added the milk and didn't see if her system is working with the new formula, then that's what you get spoiled milk smell

    A bunch of her conditioners are mainly organic aloe, like the first word on the ingredients. So what are you guys saying? That her products aren't worth buying because they spoil easily or either they don't work properly?
    no, that's not what I'm saying. Just that people who use these ingredients should make sure their preservative is working as well as it should. A good product will not go bad on you if it is preserved adequately and you are not adding anything to it (e.g., water, dirty fingers). A good product should last a while even with daily customer use and abuse. And a good preservative system would and should kill off bacteria that are introduced by the customer through daily use (fingers, leaving it open while using it, etc)
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  • NaturalistaNaturalista Posts: 5,491Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    coilynapp wrote: »
    ellepixie wrote: »
    An AfroVeda Consulting report...not much, but very interesting and may explain all her tomfoolery.


    DAYUM...its amazing what you can find on the internet.

    This line made me laugh out loud "Each Ayurveda recipe is intricately delicate and requires much attention to detail, which simply cannot be guaranteed if a third party were to assume charge"

    Actually, I think if she went and got everything outsourced to a third party manufucturer, things might be better, but its hard to do that when 75% of your products are bases (Assuming the butters are not)
    I KNOW!!!!--we should NOT be able to find this at all

    Things would be better if she outsourced, but I can understand her position of not wanting to. She can find a good company to do this. There are two places in Texas that I know of that she can use. There are agreements and such that can be filled to put her mind at ease. That might be better than all this mess...

    ETA: yea, if she is using bases, she can't actually outsource (unless she is using the bases that the contract manufacturer has to offer). If she wants them to create her products , she will need a formula and it doesn't look like she has any for any of her products (maybe the butters)

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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users Curl Novice
    These obstacles are all interconnected and interrelated. Employees cannot be hired so long as production is performed in the family’s kitchen. No specialty equipment can be incorporated into the kitchen without causing an inconvenience to the remaining family members or without adding setup/teardown hours to the production process.
    Moreover, Mala does not have the time to reorganize her home or to purchase specialty equipment while working two full time jobs. Most entrepreneurs hold two jobs whilst proving the merit of their new product/company and simultaneously meet the demands of both roles. Eventually, those entrepreneurs resign their post at the first job to engage themselves completely on the task of the new product/company. But Mala has arrived at a point where the company has grown beyond the ability to operate successfully on a few hours between lunch break and before bedtime.
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    These obstacles are all interconnected and interrelated. Employees cannot be hired so long as production is performed in the family’s kitchen. No specialty equipment can be incorporated into the kitchen without causing an inconvenience to the remaining family members or without adding setup/teardown hours to the production process.
    Moreover, Mala does not have the time to reorganize her home or to purchase specialty equipment while working two full time jobs. Most entrepreneurs hold two jobs whilst proving the merit of their new product/company and simultaneously meet the demands of both roles. Eventually, those entrepreneurs resign their post at the first job to engage themselves completely on the task of the new product/company. But Mala has arrived at a point where the company has grown beyond the ability to operate successfully on a few hours between lunch break and before bedtime.
    And she should have planned for this. LOTS of women start business and work full time and know that if successful, there will come a point at which they will have to make a decision. Most people just quit their FT job.

    It all comes down to better planning. Her product has been inconsistent since she began to grow and then she added more lines unnecessarily (that didn't sell). Soooo, she made her bed and now she must lie in it
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users Curl Novice
    Exactly ^^
  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users Curl Neophyte
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  • QVCDivaQVCDiva Posts: 1,329Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    These obstacles are all interconnected and interrelated. Employees cannot be hired so long as production is performed in the family’s kitchen. No specialty equipment can be incorporated into the kitchen without causing an inconvenience to the remaining family members or without adding setup/teardown hours to the production process.
    Moreover, Mala does not have the time to reorganize her home or to purchase specialty equipment while working two full time jobs. Most entrepreneurs hold two jobs whilst proving the merit of their new product/company and simultaneously meet the demands of both roles. Eventually, those entrepreneurs resign their post at the first job to engage themselves completely on the task of the new product/company. But Mala has arrived at a point where the company has grown beyond the ability to operate successfully on a few hours between lunch break and before bedtime.
    And she should have planned for this. LOTS of women start business and work full time and know that if successful, there will come a point at which they will have to make a decision. Most people just quit their FT job.

    It all comes down to better planning. Her product has been inconsistent since she began to grow and then she added more lines unnecessarily (that didn't sell). Soooo, she made her bed and now she must lie in it

    Precisely. Unfortunately, too many small businesses must learn this the hard way.
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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I know Mala's bout ready to spit nails at us....
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    I know Mala's bout ready to spit nails at us....
    you know that's right
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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this but....I ain't mad...
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  • finehairfinehair Posts: 81Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this but....I ain't mad...


    This thread could help a lot of women who are thinking of starting their own hair care line, sell products, etc.

    I think this thread is great.

    Research, research and more research.

    AND out of the afroveda report.. this is what stood out to me:

    Therefore, it is vital to allot a dollar amount/pay amount to the number of hours that are invested into the company’s operations. This will assist in determining if the company can afford to hire staff in the near future, let alone pay for even one sole employee – the founder.With analysis of the current profit margins and the upcoming expenses, it may be concluded that the retail price of the products must be raised in order to fund expansion.

    And:

    At the time thatthe demand for AfroVeda reaches a level where once again capacity at the residence falls short to meet it, the following second step is suggested to sustain growth of the product line.
    · Refine and record production recipes/procedures.
    · Relocate into a small commercial space.
    · Recruit and employee staff.
  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    ellepixie wrote: »
    And they can be mad...when you come with this sob story:

    I began making my own skincare products because I couldn't find any that performed the way I needed and wanted them to. I was disappointed when I paid for something that promised all day moisture and didn't deliver. Aside from my own needs and of even greater concern to me was my son's skin. He has had a mild case of recurring eczema since he was a toddler. For years, he suffered with dry skin that was thirsty for gentle, long-lasting moisture. I was unable to find anything that could deliver essential moisture for both of us, so the quest to create the perfect body lotion began. I read and researched everything I could find on organic, plant based skin care.

    I began experimenting with various ingredients and finally, created my own line of natural, organic skin care products, which I now present to you. My formerly dry skin has responded exceedingly well to the daily use of my exfoliating scrubs, bath milks, nourishing sea salts and body creams. I am most thrilled to announce that my son's skin is now healthy and vibrant! Our knowledgeable dermatologist advised us that the best way to treat and manage eczema is to keep the skin properly and thoroughly moisturized. His eczema is in remission and completely under control: he keeps it moisturized with "Mommy's stuff". Treating my adult acne: organic alternatives that made a difference. I met my dermatologist when I was seeking treatment for adult onset acne.

    And you sell this: Phat Head Coconut Pudding with Silk Protein for $8 for 6oz

    Ingredients
    Organic Aloe Juice, Organic Coconut Oil, Emulsifying Wax, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Grapeseed Oil, Organic Avocado Oil, Organic Witch Hazel, Vitamin E, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Silk, Xanthan Gum, Organic Black Willowbark Extract, Neem Oil, Rosemary Oleoresin, Citric Acid

    Then we find this: EW Silk Creme 16oz for $11.15
    Ingredients/Tech Specs:
    Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Emulsifying Wax NF, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Persea americana (Avocado) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Silk, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Salix nigra (Organic Black Willowbark) Extract, Mannan, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

    Just sayin.

    This is terrible. :angry7:
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  • divadee62divadee62 Posts: 115Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.
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    11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    divadee62 wrote: »
    someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.

    **DEAD** at this post...you saw that after she posted she went on her site and changed the "About Us" section too...
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users Curl Novice
    divadee62 wrote: »
    someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.

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  • divadee62divadee62 Posts: 115Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Elle I saw that mess. But the fact is she is still lying. She removed from her "handmade" ingredient lists a few tell tell signs of the EW base and then switched the order of the ingredients for all three of those so-called handmade products.

    She removes the EDTA from her ingredient list but it is clearly listed in the base that she uses. That's down right unethical. And saying that the bases she buys from EW are Organic and Cruelty free? hmmm no boo they aren't. lol
    ellepixie wrote: »
    divadee62 wrote: »
    someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.

    **DEAD** at this post...you saw that after she posted she went on her site and changed the "About Us" section too...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
    Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
    Products in current rotation:
    Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
    11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.

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