CurlTalk

Call me ignorant but-- Is co-washing bad?!

iCurlziCurlz Posts: 38Registered Users
Okay so I was visiting at the salon talking with another natural (who has been natural for years) and we were talking about regimens, products, styles, etc. When I mentioned to her that I co-wash everyday (I have a twa-- and wash & go's are my only option at the moment) she told me that Im adding too much moisture, and that its bad for my hair!

At first, I was a little skeptical to take her word as gospel because she doesnt have the most moisturized hair but after a while I started thinking she may be somewhat right.

Is that the case?? Can you over-moisturize your hair? Do any other curly heads co-wash on a daily basis?
Hair Type: 4a and coily
Last Relaxer: 2/14, B/C: 5/13
Staples:
Cond: YTCu
Moist: Miss Jessie's Baby Buttercreme
Styler: Evoo EcoStyler Gel

"Free your mind, and the rest will follow..."

Comments

  • greenandchicgreenandchic Posts: 2,584Registered Users
    There were times, both recently and in the past where I co-washed my hair. Weather, physical activity, style preference, the condition of my hair, etc determines what I do to it.

    My hair LOVE moisture and water. Its porous, and drinks it all up. Conditioners, light oils, water - bring it on!

    I don't see how hair can be over moisturized. :confused2:
    APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
    My Fotki!
    Below: Typical PS bun
    004-vi.jpg
  • pjjosephgisspjjosephgiss Posts: 643Registered Users
    I think when you have a TWA, co-washing is your best friend! At that length, it's easy, and it helps your hair look fresh every day. I am not sure if you plan to grow your hair longer, but the ends of your hair is the oldest part of your hair, and you have to treat it right, so it will act right...I guess it depends on the porosity of your hair, but I don't think I will have a problem being over moisturized any time soon! LOL
    Hair type-BC: 2/2011-mix of kinks+ coils
    Wash-Bobeam Poo bars, As I Am Cleansing Pudding and Coconut Cowash cleansing condish
    LI/RO-Curl Junkie rehab, Shescentit Avocado condish, Oyin Hair dew
    DT-KBB Luscious Locks, Curl Junkie ANYthing, Shescentit Avocado condish
    Style- UFD, Camille Rose, Hello Curly, Kinky Curly
    Sealant- Jamaican Black Castor and Avocado oils, Qhemet Biologics Honey & Olive Hydrating Balm
    Will try any CG product at least once.
    Proud to be a PJ!
    :happy7::wave:
  • lsubabiedeelsubabiedee Posts: 53Registered Users
    yes, you can over-moisturize your hair. you have to maintain a moisture-protein balance.

    i think that as long as your hair is getting some type of protein and is not breaking, you are fine.

    signs of over-moisturized hair are hair feeling mushy, hair becoming too elastic, and breakage.
  • NappyNishaNappyNisha Posts: 99Registered Users
    Here is a a link that I think does a good job of explaining balancing moisture and protein.

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.associatedcontent.com%2Farticle%2F278612%2Fthe_fine_art_of_protein_and_moisture.html%3Fsinglepage%3Dtrue%26amp%3Bcat%3D69" class="Popup

    But to answer your question yes, too much of anything can have negative consequences.
  • iCurlziCurlz Posts: 38Registered Users
    Great link NappyNisha.. Yea i figured it could eventually do harm, but i didnt think co-washing everyday was a problem!

    My twa loves loves leave in conditioner and moisturizers
    Hair Type: 4a and coily
    Last Relaxer: 2/14, B/C: 5/13
    Staples:
    Cond: YTCu
    Moist: Miss Jessie's Baby Buttercreme
    Styler: Evoo EcoStyler Gel

    "Free your mind, and the rest will follow..."
  • teachermrwteachermrw Posts: 269Registered Users
    however, to me, cleansing one's hair w/conditioner is akin to taking a bath or a shower with body lotion. Perhaps some won't like reading this, but, the concept just doesn't seem logical to me.
    Your hair is your most important accessory.
    ______________________________________
    The Big Chop performed on 1/15/2011!!!:love7:

    event.png
  • NappyNishaNappyNisha Posts: 99Registered Users
    Great link NappyNisha.. Yea i figured it could eventually do harm, but i didnt think co-washing everyday was a problem!

    My twa loves loves leave in conditioner and moisturizers

    Everyone's hair loves moisture.. I would think..so don't worry about it, just be sure to give it protein as well. You should be fine.
  • NappyNishaNappyNisha Posts: 99Registered Users
    teachermrw wrote: »
    however, to me, cleansing one's hair w/conditioner is akin to taking a bath or a shower with body lotion. Perhaps some won't like reading this, but, the concept just doesn't seem logical to me.

    I don't really get the analogy since shampoo and conditioner are both something you rinse out. Lotion is something to be left on.

    Shampoo is mainly for cleansing the scalp and rid it of build-up, so if you are not using products that build up, why use it every other day if that is how often you wash? Conditioner is really for the strands, so if you don't have a lot of product in your hair, using conditioner will leave your hair clean as well.
  • NaturallyBriafulNaturallyBriaful Posts: 72Registered Users
    I have a twa but i dont cowash i just wash my hair once a week with a shampoo and conditioner. I think if i started washing my hair everyday my hair would be really dry. It already takes a few days for my hair to revive it from being dry after i wash it.. :/

    Can i cowash like every other week? o.0 Cause i wanna try it..
  • CityGirl81CityGirl81 Posts: 418Registered Users
    I have been a "true" natural for over a year, but I haven't had a relaxer in over four years. If water touches my body, then conditioner touches my hair. I use a leave in that has a high protein content. I love co washing. I will miss the summer because in Chicago wet hair in the morning isn't cool. I didn't mind the shrinkage.
  • Nicky791Nicky791 Posts: 679Registered Users
    Great article!!

    I think that co-washing thing is all a matter of personal preference really. I've tried co-washing several times and it does absolutely nothing for my hair or scalp. I use shampoo every time my hair gets wet in the shower ( 1-2 times a week). I use a lot of oils/butters/creams in my hair so I need shampoo to cleanse my hair to get rid of those products. Conditioner doesn't do that.
    Last Relaxer: March 26 2009
    Mini Chop: January 16 2010
    BC: April 4 2010
    Transitioned for 1yr 9days!
    Fotki: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.fotki.com%2FNicky791%2Fabout%2F" class="Popup
    Twitter: /home/leaving?target=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNicky791" class="Popup
  • FoxyCleopatraFoxyCleopatra Posts: 412Registered Users
    Co-washing is something I do between actual washing to kinda refresh my hair. Co-washing does cut down on some buildup because if I have gel in my hair, if I were just to rinse with water & try to style again it would not work at all. If I co-wash then it gets rid of the gel gunk. Also stops my scalp from itching & since I work out 5x a week, I need to have water touching my hair often. You can overmoisturize but good luck trying LoL. Not saying it is impossible, because it isn't, but dry hair is a far bigger epidemic than overmoisturized hair. Adding moisture to a TWA is one of the best things you can do for it.
  • greenandchicgreenandchic Posts: 2,584Registered Users
    Co-washing is something I do between actual washing to kinda refresh my hair. Co-washing does cut down on some buildup because if I have gel in my hair, if I were just to rinse with water & try to style again it would not work at all. If I co-wash then it gets rid of the gel gunk. Also stops my scalp from itching & since I work out 5x a week, I need to have water touching my hair often. You can overmoisturize but good luck trying LoL. Not saying it is impossible, because it isn't, but dry hair is a far bigger epidemic than overmoisturized hair. Adding moisture to a TWA is one of the best things you can do for it.

    Yes! Sweating at the gym is huge for me. The salty sweat is worse for my hair than actual moisture. In my original response, I didn't mention that I use protein in my hair. Some of my products (gels, creams) have protein in it and I do a specific treatment once every two weeks or so.
    APL BSL MBL WL HL TBL | porous, fine/medium strands, medium density
    My Fotki!
    Below: Typical PS bun
    004-vi.jpg
  • ChloesCurlyChloesCurly Posts: 54Registered Users
    She's saying that the act of cleansing the hair with conditioner (exclusively) is comparable to cleansing your body with lotion...and technically it is.

    The thing is though, it's not necessary to clean with soap daily. You CAN remove dirt and debris from your scalp with conditioner. The same applies to lotion. Actually, cleansing sugar scrubs (the ones that aren't completely oil base) actually are lotion based for mild cleansing and exfoliating properties.
    NappyNisha wrote: »
    teachermrw wrote: »
    however, to me, cleansing one's hair w/conditioner is akin to taking a bath or a shower with body lotion. Perhaps some won't like reading this, but, the concept just doesn't seem logical to me.

    I don't really get the analogy since shampoo and conditioner are both something you rinse out. Lotion is something to be left on.

    Shampoo is mainly for cleansing the scalp and rid it of build-up, so if you are not using products that build up, why use it every other day if that is how often you wash? Conditioner is really for the strands, so if you don't have a lot of product in your hair, using conditioner will leave your hair clean as well.
  • iCurlziCurlz Posts: 38Registered Users
    NaturallyBriaful.. I think you might be my hair twin! I finally found someone with coils like me:p

    Im not really getting the lotion analogy either. wouldn't lotion be equivalent to hair grease or oil?
    Hair Type: 4a and coily
    Last Relaxer: 2/14, B/C: 5/13
    Staples:
    Cond: YTCu
    Moist: Miss Jessie's Baby Buttercreme
    Styler: Evoo EcoStyler Gel

    "Free your mind, and the rest will follow..."
  • ChloesCurlyChloesCurly Posts: 54Registered Users
    This is so random but Foxy, I've been meaning to tell you...your hair (color, curls and everything) is GORGEOUS. Everytime you post my eyes go straight to your hair pics.

    I tried to color my hair that way and ended up getting streaks (wasn't really what I wanted) so you know I'm over here jealous..lol. :toothy4:
    quote=FoxyCleopatra;1469148]Co-washing is something I do between actual washing to kinda refresh my hair. Co-washing does cut down on some buildup because if I have gel in my hair, if I were just to rinse with water & try to style again it would not work at all. If I co-wash then it gets rid of the gel gunk. Also stops my scalp from itching & since I work out 5x a week, I need to have water touching my hair often. You can overmoisturize but good luck trying LoL. Not saying it is impossible, because it isn't, but dry hair is a far bigger epidemic than overmoisturized hair. Adding moisture to a TWA is one of the best things you can do for it.[/quote]
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    It is possible to overcondition your hair. I've done it. I can't leave my dcs in for more than half an hour because my hair turns to mush. I had to do several protein treatments to get it back right. But there are people who can leave dcs in overnight.

    I co-wash usually every other day and it keeps my hair moisturized. Maybe it works for me because I rinse most of the conditioner out of my hair. I think whether it's good or bad depends on the person's hair.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • FoxyCleopatraFoxyCleopatra Posts: 412Registered Users
    This is so random but Foxy, I've been meaning to tell you...your hair (color, curls and everything) is GORGEOUS. Everytime you post my eyes go straight to your hair pics.

    I tried to color my hair that way and ended up getting streaks (wasn't really what I wanted) so you know I'm over here jealous..lol. :toothy4:

    Thank you! LoL
  • threesnappsthreesnapps Posts: 40Registered Users
    NaturallyBriaful.. I think you might be my hair twin! I finally found someone with coils like me:p

    Im not really getting the lotion analogy either. wouldn't lotion be equivalent to hair grease or oil?

    You're right. Conditioners do also contain cleansers in them (my hair squeaks when I use it!), just not as much as shampoos. Like commenters earlier mentioned, co-washing helps to remove buildup in between washes, and lessen itching.
  • hiplengthcurlshiplengthcurls Posts: 29Registered Users
    As a loose curled lady with fine, wavy to curly, non-porous hair, I have to say that for me co-washing is bad. Did the lady who said this have type 4 hair? I think that ppl do not understand that build up can be far more damaging than using shampoo. How do you conclude that your products do not build up? All products build up and have to be washed out. The more you slather on the "lotion," the more shampoo you will need. So it balances out. It took me a long time to learn how to trust a one time oil application until my next wash. It took breakage. That may not happen to curlier hair that needs the moisture, but remember how moisturizing your hair works. You cannot moisturize dirty, filmy hair.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    As a loose curled lady with fine, wavy to curly, non-porous hair, I have to say that for me co-washing is bad. Did the lady who said this have type 4 hair? I think that ppl do not understand that build up can be far more damaging than using shampoo. How do you conclude that your products do not build up? All products build up and have to be washed out. The more you slather on the "lotion," the more shampoo you will need. So it balances out. It took me a long time to learn how to trust a one time oil application until my next wash. It took breakage. That may not happen to curlier hair that needs the moisture, but remember how moisturizing your hair works. You cannot moisturize dirty, filmy hair.

    If someone cowashes that doesnt always mean mean they dont also shampoo. I shampoo once a week and cowash in between. I also avoid conditioners without certain ingredients to slow down how long it takes me to get build up. Cowashing for me at least is about refreshing my hair not so much gettng it super clean. Plus I try to stick to products that rinse out clean.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    One huge factor is the quality and pH of the water source used on the hair. Most water has a pH hovering around 7 or slightly above, making it neutral or slightly alkaline. But since hair has a natural pH of about 4.5-5.0, it tends to thrive with substances (including water) that are balanced to that pH. If you're wetting your hair each day, you probably want to occasionally do an ACV rinse to help keep your hair w/in normal pH range.

    If you have "hard water" (which is typically alkaline water that contains an excess of minerals like calcium carbonate, magnesium hydroxide and iron), every time you wet your hair you could be knocking your hair's natural pH balance out of whack and creating mineral build up on your hair.

    So if you're a person who wets your hair every day with hard water and co-washes only, you could end up with a nasty outcome over time: dry, brittle, dull hair that won't curl up right.

    If you know you live in an area w/relatively hard water, you might consider buying a chelating shampoo to use every 1 or 2 months in order to remove any mineral build up from your hair. As aforementioned, you might also consider occasional ACV rinses to correct your hair's pH balance. ... If you frequently "refresh" your hair with water, you might wanna buy some distilled water to refresh.
  • bringingcurliesback?bringingcurliesback? Posts: 1,307Registered Users
    Sounds interesting Korkscrew. I'm actually having the crispy feeling but I think its because I'm do for a haircut. Maybe the occasional rinse/low poo may help. I just hate the clean feeling (I know im weird). Idk I love moisturizing cleanses and im so tangly!!

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using CurlTalk App
    *Current Routine*
    LP: SM RSB
    CO/CW: CJ Daily Fix, GR Restorative, SM RSB, SM SFC
    DC: SM, CJ Rehab, G.Nutrafix, DIY
    LI: a CO, KCKT
    Sealers: an oil, JC N&S
    Stylers: just CO, CJ CIAB, KCCC, aloe gel, FSG
    Once in a while: ACV, Lemon-Aid

    Oils to seal, rinse, and/or pre-poo as needed :love10:

    2c/3a/3b coarse, normal porosity
    :toothy4: CG since 2007 :flower:
  • KorkscrewKorkscrew Posts: 1,834Registered Users
    I know what you mean about disliking the "clean" feeling ;) I only use an actual shampoo once or twice a month (co-washing in between), and I never care for that squeaky clean feel right afterward. I make sure to use a good, moisturizing conditioner afterward.

    You raise a good point about getting a hair cut. Sometimes the hair is simply too old - too weathered to be on its best behavior, so getting some of that old hair cut off can create such an improvement :love4:
  • h2wQueenh2wQueen Posts: 551Registered Users
    Well call me the bad girl, lotion user...LOL. I only co-wash...my hair gets shampooed at the salon which i do like every eight weeks to stay on top of trims. I wash every other week usually sometimes every week depending on whats going on in my life. I have foudn that shampoo is the devil to my hair. it takes so much to put back in what shampoo(low poo, natural, regular) takes out. I just let that go. It's been the best thing for my hair. I am past twa probably 8-10 inches stretched...2-4 inches unstretched. I've seen tremendous change in my hair once i stopped using shampoo. I think you just gotta do what works for you.
    "We Live From the Head Down and Not the Feet Up" ~Donnie
  • Always@nightAlways@night Posts: 566Registered Users
    For me co washing does not work; it isn't neccesarily "bad" but my hair thinned out a lot when i did it, it also shedded way to much. My hair loved it, my scalp not so much. XP you should do what works for you, everyone's hair is different. Some need more moisture than others and vice versa