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Plopping not always best?

kristie911kristie911 Posts: 154Registered Users
I've been trying CG for about a week. The cowashing has definitely helped and even though I'm still getting some weird results, I'm bound and determined to figure this out.

My question is: Am I the only one that finds plopping just doesn't work?

I plopped several days in a row and while I did get curlier results, by the time I diffused it dry, it was so clumpy the top of my hair was just totally weighed down and looked greasy. Is it possible to get too clumpy? It seemed like it was just too wet when I started drying and I ended up with big heavy clumps of hair and it was not attractive!

The last couple of days, I did everything the same except I wrapped my hair in a regular towel. The curl was more managable but I got more frizz.

Is there something I'm doing wrong? Or is there a technique somewhere between plopping and just wrapping hair in a towel?

Help!! 6 days of CG and I'm still wearing my hair in a ponytail every day (but it is a nicer pony tail!)
3a/b, fine hair (just lots of it!), average porosity, high elasticity, fragile curls

No Poo and loving it! Gave up my hair dryer and never looked back!

Favorite Condishs: Suave Naturals (cowash) or TRESemme Naturals
Leave-In: CJ Curl Assurance Leave-in or KCKT
Curl Creme: AG re:coil or SS Hair Butter
Gel: HETT, GF Gel

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Comments

  • amanda68damanda68d Posts: 16Registered Users
    i never liked to plop...i feel my hair looks better when i defuse and air dry..thats just me!!
  • wendi.wendywendi.wendy Posts: 174Registered Users
    Before I plop, I use a flour sack towel and scrunch out as much water as I can. I tried plopping right out of the shower without doing the scrunch-out-the-water thing first, and my hair was just too sopping wet. I'm not sure if you're already doing this, but I thought I'd mention it. :)
    ~ Wendi in IL
    3a - fine, colored hair w/normal porosity (loves protein!)
    CG since March 2010
    Co-Wash: V05, Suave or Cure Care
    Low Poo: Desert Essence
    Condish: GVP Balm, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening

    Leave-In: Cure Care, KCKT
    Styler: SS FHG, Re-Coil, LALSG, BRHG

  • kristie911kristie911 Posts: 154Registered Users
    Before I plop, I use a flour sack towel and scrunch out as much water as I can. I tried plopping right out of the shower without doing the scrunch-out-the-water thing first, and my hair was just too sopping wet. I'm not sure if you're already doing this, but I thought I'd mention it. :)

    No, I wasn't. This morning I wrapped it in a towel for a few minutes and then plopped it, rather than when it was soaking wet. It was a little better but still got frizzy...but that may be a product issue, not a drying issue. It's still going flat really quick though...I'm getting frustrated!
    3a/b, fine hair (just lots of it!), average porosity, high elasticity, fragile curls

    No Poo and loving it! Gave up my hair dryer and never looked back!

    Favorite Condishs: Suave Naturals (cowash) or TRESemme Naturals
    Leave-In: CJ Curl Assurance Leave-in or KCKT
    Curl Creme: AG re:coil or SS Hair Butter
    Gel: HETT, GF Gel

    Product Junkie...Swap board addict!
  • BeachCurlGurlBeachCurlGurl Posts: 168Registered Users
    I have been getting inconsistant results from plopping. I think it works better for me when I squeeze and scrunch out as much excess water I can before I plop. I did this this morning and I am having a great hair day! I have nice volume & some root curl. I plan to try this a few times more before I decide for sure that plopping is for me.
    3a fine; dense; medium-low porosity, frizz prone

    Current Favs: KM Shampoo bars, Darcy's pumpkin seed conditioner, CJ Repair Me; CJCR, CJCCC; Marie Dean products; DM Miracurls Gelly; KCCC; CJCQ; LA Looks sport gel

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  • Robin-in-FLRobin-in-FL Posts: 1,731Registered Users
    Try these:

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt instead of plopping

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt then plopping

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt then plopping hair in the wet from scrunching t-shirt.

    and

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt then plopping loosely so you can get dressed but not mashing the hair into the plop very hard.
    2c / C / iii (FIA)
    Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

    Shoulder-Length now.

    Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
    Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
    Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
    Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

    Henna!
  • LynnInColoradoLynnInColorado Posts: 21Registered Users
    Try these:

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt instead of plopping

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt then plopping

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt then plopping hair in the wet from scrunching t-shirt.

    and

    scrunching water out with a t-shirt then plopping loosely so you can get dressed but not mashing the hair into the plop very hard.

    That is a very scientific approach if the same products and amounts are used! I find that scrunching most of the water out and plopping (hair loosely piled and not squished by cloth) for 15 minutes helps increase volume at the top, but I often don't bother. Because I don't have much hair or it's very fine or whatever, I have to be sure the curl pattern isn't messed up by plopping for too long or too tightly, diffusing or even bunching the hair up with clips. So many variables with products, weather, etc. Every day is a surprise!:smilebox:
    Sulfates/cone-free since 2/1/10: Type: 3b, fine & thinnish. Water: Alkaline well water. Climate: Dry mile-high. Wash: Elucence Moisture Benefits alternating with a mixture of Devacare Low-Poo & No-Poo. CO: CJ Deep Fix or CJ Curl Rehab. Styling Product: Small amt. CJ CIAB combed through sopping wet hair. Style: Scrunch out water w/Curls Like Us cloth, Plop for 15 min with Curl-ease towel, finger comb and shake upside down, clip to add height at part, air dry. Color: Demi at a salon.:compress:
  • TeachDeafiesTeachDeafies Posts: 157Registered Users
    The problem I've noticed in your posts is that you said you use a towel, but you haven't specified if it's microfiber or what. Regular towel fabric will result in frizzies and a bad hair day all around, IME. Invest in either a microfiber towel, a [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curl-ease-Towel-p-500.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curlease-curlease-towel]Curl-Ease towel[/buylink], or using a HUGE t-shirt to plop and let us know how it turns out!
    CG: 9/4/09

    3a and 3b/F/ii


    Condish: CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner
    Shampoo (Sulfate-free): Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat (use 1-2x/week)
    Styling Product: HETT mousse

    TRYING to grow it out- maybe softer water and going almost strictly CG will help!
  • kristie911kristie911 Posts: 154Registered Users
    I've just been using a regular bath towel.

    I was plopping with a t-shirt but it just WAY too wet after a 10 min plop. I tried squeezing the water out with one shirt and then plopping with a second but the hair was so clumpy it just went totally flat and heavy. I hated it.

    I've been wrapping carefully in the bath towel after adding my leave in and curl cream. Then I scrunch in mousse and it's much, much better. The plopping was definitely not working for me.

    I'm still getting a bit of frizz here and there but I think I just dry it too long with the diffuser...I hate the feeling of damp hair. I've been trying to back off alittle bit with the dryer and I'm getting better results. It's definitely trial and error.
    3a/b, fine hair (just lots of it!), average porosity, high elasticity, fragile curls

    No Poo and loving it! Gave up my hair dryer and never looked back!

    Favorite Condishs: Suave Naturals (cowash) or TRESemme Naturals
    Leave-In: CJ Curl Assurance Leave-in or KCKT
    Curl Creme: AG re:coil or SS Hair Butter
    Gel: HETT, GF Gel

    Product Junkie...Swap board addict!
  • MausiMausi Posts: 34Registered Users
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  • robinbethsrobinbeths Posts: 171Registered Users
    I also do not like my hair with plopping much. I find it mashes the top against my scalp no matter how loosely I wrap in a tee shirt. Too bad though, because I really like having my hair out of the way for dressing and such.

    Anyhow, I find that scrunching w/a microfiber towel and/or an old tee shirt with head upside down right out of the shower works well for root lift and for not disturbing the curls.

    Hope everyone's info helps and that you find what works best soon! :thumbup:
    Robin :wave:
    I love Jesus!
    Just learning the ropes :toothy5:
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  • MimsTXMimsTX Posts: 3,482Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Your hair's not weird, I promise. I cannot plop. Ever. With anything. For any amount of time. I get those weird massive clumps like you're talking about, and it's flat at the roots and the curls have strange kinks in them... blech, no thank you.

    And yes, there is such a thing as too much clumping. Ask whatsercurl too, I know she has the same issue. I typically diffuse my hair until its 100% dry, that's the only way I've found I can get consistent volume at the roots and less clumping overall so it doesn't look like I only have 4 GIGANTIC curls.
    CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
    CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
    Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
    Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
    HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
  • WurlyLoxWurlyLox Posts: 4,858Registered Users
    I almost never plop any more. I just get better results using the Super Soaker method followed by Smasters method and then finish by air drying. It dries just as fast as if I plopped.
    2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

    Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

    HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

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  • MMAkittenMMAkitten Posts: 3Registered Users
    OMG, I'm so in love with your hair. I want to steal it.

    Anyhow, I just got my first Deva cut this weekend, and with how fine my hair is, she said never, EVER plop, and to diffuse until 100% dry. She said she never recommends this to her curly girls but my spirals are so loopy and prone to limpness, that plopping will just crush them and leaving any moisture in them will just weigh the curl out.+
  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,654Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Plopping broke up my curls too much, especially on the top layer. I used to plop when I first started CG. I get much better clumping by just combing with a wide-tooth comb and gently scrunching to get my curls going.
    Location: Texas
    Type: 3b/3c (i), below shoulder length.
    CO wash: A-O GPB LYY, Desert Essence Coconut, Oribe Silverati
    Leave-ins: Curl Junkie Beauti-Curls, KCKT, cno overnight
    Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG, CJ Pattern Pusha
    DT: Curl Junkie Deep Fix, Briogeo Don't Despair Repair!
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I used to plop when I had longer hair, but now I just use a Curls Like Us towel....it works MUCH better. Sometimes I get in the mood to plop though, but I save it for the weekends so if it turns wonky it's ok.
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    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • curlykenzicurlykenzi Posts: 17Registered Users
    When I tried plopping, my roots would get the curl that I was looking for, but by the end of the day I would "triangle" (my ends would be really dry and frizzy, therefore going east-west) I never liked the result so I stopped doing it.
    MBL just trying to see how long I can get it:nike:
    Low porosity, very high density and coarse.
    Still playing to find the perfect product.
  • seamelody14seamelody14 Posts: 282Registered Users
    I don't like plopping for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I have a pretty strong curl pattern, so I don't notice major curl enhancement, just more clumps, which I don't always want, especially at my roots.
    2a/b
    medium/thick
    high porosity (from coloring)

    Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
    Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
    RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
    LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
    DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
    PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
    Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
    Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
  • DsotomayorDsotomayor Posts: 173Registered Users
    I'm new to this forum and just started cg method about a month ago. I started plopping about two weeks ago and after reading all these posts I think I know why my curls have become flat all of a sudden. I'm pretty sure it's the plopping. I use a tshirt to wrap my hair up after putting in my styling products (devacurl arcangel) then I get dressed before using a diffuser. My hair had the prettiest spiral curls before I started plopping! I thought it might be the weather but I'm going to have to go back to letting my hair just dry on its own after scrunching and forget the plopping to see if thats the problem.

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  • zumbagirlzumbagirl Posts: 61Registered Users
    I turn shower off, scrunch in wen sweet almond mint, plopp in Xxl men's Hanes tshirt. Rinse out shower. Then after I have applied body lotions, I unplop. upside down and diffuse. Total time plopped about 5 min. I gently squeeze out moisture. I have done this for 3 years w great results. Hair is long, thin, fine 3a
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    has anyone tried double plopping? I plop immediately after stepping out of shower, then brush teeth and apply lotion (5 mins) then I remove the plop t-shirt. Then scrunch hard with a second t-shirt, then plop into a new T for the time it takes to get dressed. And i always do a loose plop. Just wondering if the three T's method might work for you...since it takes a lot of the excess water out, and still allows you some control over end result due to 2nd T scrunch. hth!
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
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  • karen.zanettkaren.zanett Posts: 2Registered Users
    I'm new to this forum and I'm confused about plopping.. I read the Curly Girl book today (downloaded from Amazon) and nowhere does it mention plopping, or even wrapping your hair in anything (I used the search just to make sure I didn't miss something). Here everyone talks about plopping and CG in the same sentence as if it's part of the same technique. What am I missing?
  • Ml001Ml001 Posts: 354Registered Users
    You aren't missing anything. Lorraine Massey does not talk about plopping because it is not part of her approach. Therefore it is not *technically* part of the true CG method. However, many curlies plop to encourage their curls because it works very well for them. It does not work for me - it did for a while but for some reason no longer does, so I don't do it. "True" CG or not - do what works best for you!
    remember, with all advice or suggestions for your hair, YMMV!! :read2:
    My hair:
    2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
    My routine:
    Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
    RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
    LI: KCKT or CJSL
    Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

    Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
  • mrslovettmrslovett Posts: 35Registered Users
    kristie911 wrote: »
    I've just been using a regular bath towel.

    I was plopping with a t-shirt but it just WAY too wet after a 10 min plop. I tried squeezing the water out with one shirt and then plopping with a second but the hair was so clumpy it just went totally flat and heavy. I hated it.

    I've been wrapping carefully in the bath towel after adding my leave in and curl cream. Then I scrunch in mousse and it's much, much better. The plopping was definitely not working for me.

    I'm still getting a bit of frizz here and there but I think I just dry it too long with the diffuser...I hate the feeling of damp hair. I've been trying to back off alittle bit with the dryer and I'm getting better results. It's definitely trial and error.

    Don't use a regular towel! Just grab a long sleeved tshirt you can always wash it after
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    3a brunette/grey but dyed curls
    Pernicious Anemia has me at 20% grey now!
    I don't do CG. I use whatever shampoo and conditioner I have which is almost always garnier
    Cleanse: Garnier Triple Nutrition Shampoo
    Condition:Garnier Triple Nutrition Conditioner
    Stylers: Garnier scrunch gel, argan/coconut oil, Got2Be Kinky mousse. Varies.
    Tshirt plopper and super scruncher