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The Kimmaytube leave-in -- is it all necessary?

SummerRubySummerRuby Posts: 468Registered Users
By now, most people on the hair boards know about the wonderful leave-in recipe from Kimmaytube.

But I have a question: are all the ingredients in the leave-in actually necessary?

If the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and oils have pHs of 7 (which doesn't help or harm the hair), and the aloe vera juice has a pH of 4.0-4.5 (which is what actually closes the hair's cuticles), then couldn't you just remove the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and oils altogether and just use the aloe vera juice with a pH of 4.0-4.5?

If the AVJ is the ingredient that actually closes the hair's cuticles, then the other ingredients just seem to be fillers for the leave-in concoction and not actually necessary, so couldn't you just use the AVJ alone (as a daily spritz or something) and just seal with your favorite butter/oil (or whatever)?

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  • AmberBrownAmberBrown Posts: 1,072Registered Users
    It's hard to imagine that no one who uses the leave in has tried plain aloe vera juice in their hair. It seems like that's one of the first natural ingredients people add to their arsenal. If most people have tried both, yet some people are still using the leave in--I'd guess that the "extra" ingredients are serving some purpose. Ultimately though, the easiest way to figure this one out would be to try it and see what happens :) Don't forget to report back!
  • CocoTCocoT Posts: 5,330Registered Users
    I think you can just use the AVJ alone if you choose. I can't imagine why using it alone would be a problem, especially if you don't have access to some [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]knot today[/buylink]. You can use it to make a spritz, just dilute it in water (not tap) 50:50 and maybe add some glycerine. I've read that its moisturizing and I don't doubt that because I really like to use the Oyin Handmade spritzes and those are based in aloe vera juice (along with some other good moisturizing ingredients).

    I like kimmaytube but I don't find everything she creates or says to be natural hair law. I don't plan on using her "leave-in recipe". I like what the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]knot today[/buylink] does on its own.

    At the end of the day though just know that there are a lot of options out here these days. You don't have to be married to one particular product if you don't want to. And you don't have to use a product just because there seems to be a bandwagon.
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  • Fantastic1221Fantastic1221 Posts: 356Registered Users
    if your point is to "seal the cuticle" then aloe vera juice is all you need but if you use a leave-in for more than that, like styling and what not then, I would think that you would need that other stuff to help hold your style.

    I use an adapted version of Kimmay's leave-in for twists and I use: aloe vera gel, HETT, jojoba oil, coconut oil, olive oil. This works great for my hair.
  • lady1gryphonlady1gryphon Posts: 85Registered Users
    I am glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking about this. I was wondering the same thing. I was thing about using an aloe spritz to close the cuticles then apply my oil or butter to lock in moisture and sheen. I am not necessarily looking for a curly look.

    I am glad I watched Kimmay videos and have learned a lot but I am going to work on the leave in part.
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    I use AV juice in my refresher spritzes b/c I find it moisturizing and I love aloe for my hair, but here is a great article oh pH and the hair cuticle:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthenaturalhaven.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F06%2Finvestigation-does-ph-affect-your-hair.html" class="Popup

    Basically, the article states that the cuticle separation distance is within the same range between pH 4 -9. She cites the scientific journal from where she got her information, and the blogger is a chemist.

    I understand that people like Kimmaytube but she is NOT the authority on natural hair.
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  • SummerRubySummerRuby Posts: 468Registered Users
    I wasn't trying to say that she was the authority on natural hair. I know that she isn't an actual scientist and may be, in fact, wrong in the information she's teaching (though she does quite act like she's a certified expert in the field of natural hair care :sad8:). I was just wondering if one could use the aloe vera juice alone to seal the cuticles, and maybe seal the moisture in separately with something else (if it was needed). I'm not really concerned with Kimmaytube in and of herself, just the idea of her leave-in.

  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    SummerRuby wrote: »
    I wasn't trying to say that she was the authority on natural hair. I know that she isn't an actual scientist and may be, in fact, wrong in the information she's teaching (though she does quite act like she's a certified expert in the field of natural hair care :sad8:). I was just wondering if one could use the aloe vera juice alone to seal the cuticles, and maybe seal the moisture in separately with something else (if it was needed). I'm not really concerned with Kimmaytube in and of herself, just the idea of her leave-in.

    Oh I wasn't acting like you were saying she is - the article would also apply to the fact that AV juice does not close your cuticle either. However, I like how moisturizing it is, that's all. If you like the version of her LI that's cool, wasn't trying to knock you.
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  • SummerRubySummerRuby Posts: 468Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    SummerRuby wrote: »
    I wasn't trying to say that she was the authority on natural hair. I know that she isn't an actual scientist and may be, in fact, wrong in the information she's teaching (though she does quite act like she's a certified expert in the field of natural hair care :sad8:). I was just wondering if one could use the aloe vera juice alone to seal the cuticles, and maybe seal the moisture in separately with something else (if it was needed). I'm not really concerned with Kimmaytube in and of herself, just the idea of her leave-in.

    Oh I wasn't acting like you were saying she is - the article would also apply to the fact that AV juice does not close your cuticle either. However, I like how moisturizing it is, that's all. If you like the version of her LI that's cool, wasn't trying to knock you.

    Ahh, I understand. :) If anyone else has any input, please feel free to share.

  • mouseymousey Posts: 120Registered Users
    i vote no. my hair hates oils and i don't really care for using knot today as a leave in. besides, i think she advocates using a leave in that has water as it's first ingredient, and knot today doesn't. honestly, i think the cold water as a final rinse to close the cuticle is enough, and i still use acv (just a way smaller amount). anymore pH balancers on MY hair would just seem redundant...... i don't even use a leave in at all anymore, just use the kccc as a styler (which does have water , erm a botanical infusion actually, as it's first ingredient) and my hair is doing swell. i highly advise the information be taken from those videos and tweak to fit your own hair....
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  • TrinigirlTrinigirl Posts: 159Registered Users
    mousey wrote: »
    i vote no. my hair hates oils and i don't really care for using [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]knot today[/buylink] as a leave in. besides, i think she advocates using a leave in that has water as it's first ingredient, and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]knot today[/buylink] doesn't. honestly, i think the cold water as a final rinse to close the cuticle is enough, and i still use acv (just a way smaller amount). anymore pH balancers on MY hair would just seem redundant...... i don't even use a leave in at all anymore, just use the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]kccc[/buylink] as a styler (which does have water , erm a botanical infusion actually, as it's first ingredient) and my hair is doing swell. i highly advise the information be taken from those videos and tweak to fit your own hair....


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  • ReekyReeky Posts: 1,323Registered Users
    Now i dont watch really watch kimmaytube, but i am familiar with the leave in & i did see that video..
    as well as the video where she was showing her hair with the leave in and without and how her hair was much smoother with it.

    Yes, that may be the case.. but this leave in isnt absolutely vital to the health of your hair! People are acting like that is the only thing you can use to get good results, to "close the cuticle" & whatever else.
    "its all i need".. "it has changed my life!" seriously? I dont use that at all and manage to get my hair to be smooth and shiny and all else.

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]Knot today[/buylink] is a great product on its own, you can probably layer it with other things & still get great hair! Or use aloe juice with other products, like Elle says.. use it as a spritz to add an extra layer of moisture! Between my acv & cold water rinses my cuticle is sealed in my mind lol & my hair looks and feels fine!
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  • Nicky791Nicky791 Posts: 679Registered Users
    All those oils and my hair would have a fit! lol, I pre-poo with a combo jojoba/olive oil then baggy which leaves my hair feeling nice and moisturized.

    I've tried to leave oils in my hair but my hair just doesn't like it. I do like the idea of the aloe vera juice to seal the cuticles but honestly i'm not even sure if I would need something like that. As others have stated I do a cold water rinse when I rinse out my conditioner and after I apply my leave-in & shea butter my hair is pretty soft.
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  • nana_banananana_banana Posts: 735Registered Users
    Aloe vera juice on it's own makes my hair shrink up like woah and makes it crunchy. But when I combine it with a leave-in and oils, it doesn't shrink as much or have as much crunch.

    I've used her recipe as inspiration but I can't be arsed to measure everything out like that. I just mix it in my hand or just apply one on top the other.
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  • lady1gryphonlady1gryphon Posts: 85Registered Users
    I don't think Kimmay's leave-in is the law of the land. She took products that worked well for her, combined them, and brought them to a PH balance desire for hair. I think it is a matter of maintaining the optimum PH balance for her hair. It appears that her goal was to make sure that everything that she put in her hair was at the optimum PH. Using products within the optimum PH keeps the curticles from going from one extreme to the other extreme. As we all know that leads to breakage and dryness.
  • SpringyCurlsSpringyCurls Posts: 41Registered Users
    I've tried using Kinky Curly Knot Today with and without the aloe vera juice and I must admit my hair felt waaaay more moisturized when I included the aloe vera juice. After applying the KCKT w/ AVJ, I used coconut oil. I know it's not her exact recipe, but it worked for me. When I ran out of KCKT, I tried to do the same with HE Hello Hydration and my hair got sooo dry. I think the ingredients in the KCKT might be essential. I would really like to find another leave-in conditioner, though. 12.99 for that tiny little bottle is breaking the bank! lol. I'm trying Yes to Cucumbers now (more product for less money)... hope it works.

    P.S. I haven't really given too much thought to the cuticle argument. Sorry if my post is off on some tangent.
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  • Curly_JammyCurly_Jammy Posts: 626Registered Users
    You can use just aloe vera to close the hair shaft, the other stuff is for extra conditioning.

    Aloe juice and Rosewater (to a lesser degree) both help close the hair shaft.I've been using a moisture spritz:
    distilled water
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    rosewater
    msm
    oil

    for a while and its been the best thing since sliced bread for me, as far as keeping my hair moisturized. After I saw kimmay video, I had some KCNT I hated on its own, and "beefed" it up with her recipe and I like it better alot better.

    I think the aloe vera juice and oils make up for what the product is lacking.
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  • saltybubblegumsaltybubblegum Posts: 12Registered Users
    To be fair she does say in the video that you can use your own choice of leave-in conditioner and oils so no-one should feel compelled to rush out to het [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] (It's like gold dust here in the UK anyway!)

    As for using Aloe Vera juice on its own: It's been an ingredient that people have used in their spritz bottles for ages so I'm sure people hav thought about it before. You have to remember that the AVJ is just one ingredient or the purpose of sealing the cuticle but the other ingredients play their parts as well. The leave-in will provide extra moisture and the oils will help with the sealing properties - as I understand she doesn't put anything on top of her mixture so she'll need to add some oils; just like people add oils to their spritz.

    Another thing to consider is that a mixture will be more cost effective. If you test the ph of AVJ with water you'll see that you only need to add a small fraction of it to get a 4.0-4.5 ph. So if you're going to use it on its own I recommend just adding a bit to water and your AVJ will go a long way!
  • pjjosephgisspjjosephgiss Posts: 643Registered Users
    When I watched the video, she said that she only uses leave in's as Leave in's, because leaving a rinse out in your hair can cause dryness and breakage. Is this true? I use all conditioners as leave in when I get ready-I do have some breakage, but I attribute that to natural fallout from transitioning. it's not terrible, but it is there...Any thoughts?
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  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users
    SummerRuby wrote: »
    If the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and oils have pHs of 7 (which doesn't help or harm the hair), and the aloe vera juice has a pH of 4.0-4.5 (which is what actually closes the hair's cuticles), then couldn't you just remove the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and oils altogether and just use the aloe vera juice with a pH of 4.0-4.5?

    Has anyone tested plain AVJ to see what the PH is? The Lily of the Desert Jusic that Kimmay uses has citric acid in it. Cirtic acid is a PH adjuster so I don't know if any old plain juice is cuticle closing on its own.

    I've been meaning to get some PH strips for this purpose.
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  • makeupvixenmakeupvixen Posts: 507Registered Users
    Well to be honest the Kimmy Method just didn't work for me but the concept does.

    I think I tried the KISS spray before (Aloe Vera Juice, Rose Water and a lil glycerin) it was nice but I didn't like spraying cold water on my hair.

    The research that KimmyT did is quit interesting and I do like the idea of aloe vera and water as the key ingredients. Since what she uses (KCNT) doesn't work for me I tried it with others like Giovanni, KBB [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Carols-Daughter-Hair-Milk-p-1032.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=Carol's-Daughter-Hair-Milk]Hair Milk[/buylink], and other stuff but it just didn't work for my hair. So I just test my moisturizers with the ph balance strips and add rose water, aloe vera juice or gel, and some oil to it and test the ph balance to make sure it's at about 4 or 4.5. That's what works for me.

    So I do agree with the concept. My hair feels nice and soft. I can't say that I'm retaining a bunch of length because of it but I know my hair grows slow in the summer and fall and then grows a little better in the winter and spring. So I will know more say in April of 2011 about the retaining length with a low ph balance of 4 or 4.5.

    I have read so many good reviews about the Kimmy Leave in and only a few that it didn't work for, I guess I'm one of the rare ones.
  • kinkyncurlykinkyncurly Posts: 110Registered Users
    Well to be honest the Kimmy Method just didn't work for me but the concept does.

    I think I tried the KISS spray before (Aloe Vera Juice, Rose Water and a lil glycerin) it was nice but I didn't like spraying cold water on my hair.

    The research that KimmyT did is quit interesting and I do like the idea of aloe vera and water as the key ingredients. Since what she uses (KCNT) doesn't work for me I tried it with others like Giovanni, KBB [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Carols-Daughter-Hair-Milk-p-1032.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=Carol's-Daughter-Hair-Milk]Hair Milk[/buylink], and other stuff but it just didn't work for my hair. So I just test my moisturizers with the ph balance strips and add rose water, aloe vera juice or gel, and some oil to it and test the ph balance to make sure it's at about 4 or 4.5. That's what works for me.

    So I do agree with the concept. My hair feels nice and soft. I can't say that I'm retaining a bunch of length because of it but I know my hair grows slow in the summer and fall and then grows a little better in the winter and spring. So I will know more say in April of 2011 about the retaining length with a low ph balance of 4 or 4.5.

    I have read so many good reviews about the Kimmy Leave in and only a few that it didn't work for, I guess I'm one of the rare ones.
    I think I'm one of the people it didn't work for. However, my hair doesn't fare well with Knot Today, so I'm going to try it with a different conditioner.
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  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    When I watched the video, she said that she only uses leave in's as Leave in's, because leaving a rinse out in your hair can cause dryness and breakage. Is this true? I use all conditioners as leave in when I get ready-I do have some breakage, but I attribute that to natural fallout from transitioning. it's not terrible, but it is there...Any thoughts?
    I don't think that's true at all. I make a conditioner and I use it both as a rinse out and leave in. I do however rinse it all out and make sure to get it all off my scalp, and then apply a little as a leave in like I would a moisturizer, section by section. There are lots of ladies who use regular conditioners as leave ins. In fact there are some condishes that the manufacturer (oyin) recommends as a leave in as well.
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  • pjjosephgisspjjosephgiss Posts: 643Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    When I watched the video, she said that she only uses leave in's as Leave in's, because leaving a rinse out in your hair can cause dryness and breakage. Is this true? I use all conditioners as leave in when I get ready-I do have some breakage, but I attribute that to natural fallout from transitioning. it's not terrible, but it is there...Any thoughts?
    I don't think that's true at all. I make a conditioner and I use it both as a rinse out and leave in. I do however rinse it all out and make sure to get it all off my scalp, and then apply a little as a leave in like I would a moisturizer, section by section. There are lots of ladies who use regular conditioners as leave ins. In fact there are some condishes that the manufacturer (oyin) recommends as a leave in as well.

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  • kurlybrownkurlybrown Posts: 136Registered Users
    Her leave-in recipe is working for my hair. I've been consistently using it for about 3 months? Prior to that, I was already using the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]Knot Today[/buylink] as a leave in and sealing with castor oil. That was working decent but when I added the aloe juice and jojoba oil I automatically noticed that my hair was smoother and stayed moisturized longer. Honestly, I could probably just get away with a K.I.S.S regimen now that I have this leave in. I don't even really need any stylers. I've been using the leave in for my braid outs and twist outs. I don't do wash n' go's at all really. Of course I will probably continue to try other things now and then... to feed my PJ-ism! :)

    I was retaining length just fine before using the leave in and I'm still doing so. I'm not into length checks and what-not so I don't know how much growth I've had since using it. *shrugs*

    I was curious about the ph of hair products before Kim made videos about it. Elucence products were the first products I used that had their ph listed on the bottles. Then I heard Lisa Akbari emphasize hair ph as well on her radio show.
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  • korkscrewqtkorkscrewqt Posts: 96Registered Users
    When I watched the video, she said that she only uses leave in's as Leave in's, because leaving a rinse out in your hair can cause dryness and breakage. Is this true? I use all conditioners as leave in when I get ready-I do have some breakage, but I attribute that to natural fallout from transitioning. it's not terrible, but it is there...Any thoughts?

    I use conditioners that direct you to rinse them out all the time as leave-ins. I have had no issues.
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  • FronomenalFronomenal Posts: 712Registered Users
    When I watched the video, she said that she only uses leave in's as Leave in's, because leaving a rinse out in your hair can cause dryness and breakage. Is this true? I use all conditioners as leave in when I get ready-I do have some breakage, but I attribute that to natural fallout from transitioning. it's not terrible, but it is there...Any thoughts?

    I use regular condioner as a leave-in will no ill effects. Here is an article on for more infromation: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthenaturalhaven.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F08%2Fshould-you-really-leave-conditioner-in.html" class="Popup
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    Shampoo: As I Am Curl Clarity Shampoo
    Conditioner: As I Am Hydration Elation Intensive Conditioner &
    Tresemme Botanique Nourish and Replenish Conditioner
    Leave-In Conditioner: As I Am Leave-In Conditioner & Alba Botanica Leave-In Conditioner
    Moisturizer: As I Am DoubleButter Cream Rich Daily Moisturizer
    Oils/Butters: Coconut Oil & Castor Oil
    Gels: Eco Styler Krystal Gel


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  • NaturalGNaturalG Posts: 2Registered Users
    SummerRuby wrote: »
    By now, most people on the hair boards know about the wonderful leave-in recipe from Kimmaytube.

    But I have a question: are all the ingredients in the leave-in actually necessary?

    If the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and oils have pHs of 7 (which doesn't help or harm the hair), and the aloe vera juice has a pH of 4.0-4.5 (which is what actually closes the hair's cuticles), then couldn't you just remove the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and oils altogether and just use the aloe vera juice with a pH of 4.0-4.5?

    If the AVJ is the ingredient that actually closes the hair's cuticles, then the other ingredients just seem to be fillers for the leave-in concoction and not actually necessary, so couldn't you just use the AVJ alone (as a daily spritz or something) and just seal with your favorite butter/oil (or whatever)?

    I say do what makes your hair happy. I am a product junkie and have tried numerous products and this recipe seemed like it is the only one keepig my hair moisturized. I think using Aloe Vera by itself would make my hair dry, in fact I know it would. But do what makes your hair happy.
  • luvmylocsluvmylocs Posts: 7,578Registered Users
    kurlybrown wrote: »
    Her leave-in recipe is working for my hair. I've been consistently using it for about 3 months? Prior to that, I was already using the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]Knot Today[/buylink] as a leave in and sealing with castor oil. That was working decent but when I added the aloe juice and jojoba oil I automatically noticed that my hair was smoother and stayed moisturized longer. Honestly, I could probably just get away with a K.I.S.S regimen now that I have this leave in. I don't even really need any stylers. I've been using the leave in for my braid outs and twist outs. I don't do wash n' go's at all really. Of course I will probably continue to try other things now and then... to feed my PJ-ism! :)

    I was retaining length just fine before using the leave in and I'm still doing so. I'm not into length checks and what-not so I don't know how much growth I've had since using it. *shrugs*

    I was curious about the ph of hair products before Kim made videos about it. Elucence products were the first products I used that had their ph listed on the bottles. Then I heard Lisa Akbari emphasize hair ph as well on her radio show.

    i can relate to a lot of your post, especially the bolded. i use the shea moisture organic raw shea butter deep treatment masque as my conditioner base with good results. i use castor oil and avocado oil as my oils. i have some ph strips. i'll use them to check the ph.
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  • JoliePoetiqueJoliePoetique Posts: 178Registered Users
    I like the concoction. I substituted castor oil for olive and it does just fine. My hair is very tangly and I really think the aloe is what made the difference. Now my twists just fall apart without the hairs catching on each other when I wear twist outs. So I think the aloe is what makes the difference. I have other moisturizers, like Qhemet BRBC that may leave my hair softer. But that aloe juice is the business!

    Also AVJ is a great detangler! I had about 5 products and gel hardened in my hair. I saturated my dry hair with the aloe, and the tangles literally disappeared! Very little hair came out and this was 6 day hair!
    3c/4a, low porosity
    Detangler: Whole leaf AVJ
    Shampoo: Kinky Curly Come Clean
    Rinse Out Conditioners: Trader Joe Nourish Spa or V05 MM
    Leave In Conditioner: KCKT, Elucence MB
    Deep Conditioner: Add honey and olive oil to any conditioner
    Moisturizers: QB Burdock Root or Amla Heavy Oil
    Stylers: Kinky Curly Curling Custard, Eco Custard (eco styler gel + olive oil), Jane Carter Curl Cream :thumright:
    Oils: Olive, jojoba, coconut
    Butters: NONE! :sign6::puker:
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