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Phenoxyethanol?

rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
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Can someone tell me what it does, and is it safe to use?


Thank You. :)
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Leave In Conditioner: KCKT & seal with shea butter.
Gel/Styler: KCCC or EcoStyler for edges.
I think my hair likes cones... :)

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  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users
    it's a preservative.

    MSDS sheets will list all dangers, precautions if ingested or inhaled etc in high amounts. if you go to certain sites, they will scare the **** out of you on just about anything.
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  • rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
    awnmvgt87.png
    4a/OS/FN/Spongy
    Co-Wash: Vo5 Herbal Escapes Moisturizing Conditioner Free Me Freesia With Aloe Extract & Aussie Moist
    Leave In Conditioner: KCKT & seal with shea butter.
    Gel/Styler: KCCC or EcoStyler for edges.
    I think my hair likes cones... :)
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    I avoid it. But you might find this interesting: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthegreenbeautyguide.com%2F%3Fp%3D169" class="Popup

    FYI, its very hard to avoid this, if you're also avoiding parabens. But I can let you know about stylers and conditioners that DON'T have it, if you're interested.
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  • rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
    I avoid it. But you might find this interesting: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthegreenbeautyguide.com%2F%3Fp%3D169" class="Popup

    FYI, its very hard to avoid this, if you're also avoiding parabens. But I can let you know about stylers and conditioners that DON'T have it, if you're interested.

    Thank you for the link! And that would be great if you can. :)
    awnmvgt87.png
    4a/OS/FN/Spongy
    Co-Wash: Vo5 Herbal Escapes Moisturizing Conditioner Free Me Freesia With Aloe Extract & Aussie Moist
    Leave In Conditioner: KCKT & seal with shea butter.
    Gel/Styler: KCCC or EcoStyler for edges.
    I think my hair likes cones... :)
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    I avoid it. But you might find this interesting: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthegreenbeautyguide.com%2F%3Fp%3D169" class="Popup

    FYI, its very hard to avoid this, if you're also avoiding parabens. But I can let you know about stylers and conditioners that DON'T have it, if you're interested.

    Thank you for the link! And that would be great if you can. :)

    NP!

    here are some conditioners:

    Darcy's Botanicals Curl Detangling Milk
    Nature's Baby Organics
    Donna Marie MiraCurl Detangler & Conditioner
    Afro Detangler
    Aubrey Organics White Camelia
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose
    (I think all of AOs condish are phenoxy free but those are the only I've used)
    *the first three I've mentioned are btter for leave ins. I feel AD is too, but many ppl use it as regular condish. The last two are heavier. Also, I think all DBs are phenoxy free, but that's the only one I've tried.


    gels:

    Donna Marie Miracurls
    Kinky Curly
    Kiss My Face Upper Management
    John Master's Organics (I think all of his gels are fine)
    Aubrey Organics Mandarain Magic (this is a light gel at best, but I thought I'd throw it in)

    I RARELY use shamppo (cleanse with Almond soap)
    but the only shampoo I know of and own that doesn't have it, is Golden Wheat by Giovanni. I stopped using Giovanni condish b/c of the phenoxy, but they may very well have re-formulated them by now. HTH!
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  • MsCurl83MsCurl83 Posts: 289Registered Users
    Yea I seen this one around and been wondering, I did a search and saw all the scary info on it too, but I've got this lady who owns an organic boutique researching about it. I hope my QB OHHB, AOHC and BRBC aren't making me depressed, lol.
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  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    Yea I seen this one around and been wondering, I did a search and saw all the scary info on it too, but I've got this lady who owns an organic boutique researching about it. I hope my QB OHHB, AOHC and BRBC aren't making me depressed, lol.

    You'd have to almost drink it for it to effect you by way of your hair products. However, its in a lot of things (cleaners, shampoos, lotions etc) so if its true that we absorb a good amount of what we apply topically, it could have an effect after years of doing this. Don't take my word for it though. Just my 2 cents based on what I've read. Always do your own research!
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  • rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
    I avoid it. But you might find this interesting: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthegreenbeautyguide.com%2F%3Fp%3D169" class="Popup

    FYI, its very hard to avoid this, if you're also avoiding parabens. But I can let you know about stylers and conditioners that DON'T have it, if you're interested.

    Thank you for the link! And that would be great if you can. :)

    NP!

    here are some conditioners:

    Darcy's Botanicals Curl Detangling Milk
    Nature's Baby Organics
    Donna Marie MiraCurl Detangler & Conditioner
    Afro Detangler
    Aubrey Organics White Camelia
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose
    (I think all of AOs condish are phenoxy free but those are the only I've used)
    *the first three I've mentioned are btter for leave ins. I feel AD is too, but many ppl use it as regular condish. The last two are heavier. Also, I think all DBs are phenoxy free, but that's the only one I've tried.


    gels:

    Donna Marie Miracurls
    Kinky Curly
    Kiss My Face Upper Management
    John Master's Organics (I think all of his gels are fine)
    Aubrey Organics Mandarain Magic (this is a light gel at best, but I thought I'd throw it in)

    I RARELY use shamppo (cleanse with Almond soap)
    but the only shampoo I know of and own that doesn't have it, is Golden Wheat by Giovanni. I stopped using Giovanni condish b/c of the phenoxy, but they may very well have re-formulated them by now. HTH!


    Thank you so much MixedUpCurlyChick! :) I thought about using the Giovanni Direct, but idk if it's thick enough for my hair. :P
    awnmvgt87.png
    4a/OS/FN/Spongy
    Co-Wash: Vo5 Herbal Escapes Moisturizing Conditioner Free Me Freesia With Aloe Extract & Aussie Moist
    Leave In Conditioner: KCKT & seal with shea butter.
    Gel/Styler: KCCC or EcoStyler for edges.
    I think my hair likes cones... :)
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    Ok. Chipping in here. IA with hippychic. There are a lot of websites that are good at scaring people. Phenoxy is a preserative, only used at 0.5-1% of your product. The warnings are if it is ingested in large amounts. A lot of things are safe in small amounts but harmful in large amounts.

    Use this website that has great information about FDA and CIR approvals of ingredients for cosmetics and whether they are GRAS (generally regarded as safe) or not. You will see on a lot of websites that post "this ingredient is bad, don't use it" don't even post where they get their info to back their claims up

    QB, DB, AV, OYIN all use phenoxyethanol as a preservative. If you see "optiphen" it is Phenoxyethanol (and) Caprylyl Glycol. DB doesn't state on her website the specific preservatie save to say "paraben-free" and I think (I don't quite remember and I'm away from home to check my products) but I think it is optiphen she uses. Optiphen is GRAS.

    ETA: Think about this: 0.5-1% of an 8 ounce product and your are putting about 2 quarter size amounts which will have a minute amount of 1%...even if you are using the whole container of product, you are only using 1%

    article from here (published in 1990, not sure what else is out there more recently re phenoxy)

    Abstract
    Phenoxyethanol is an aromatic ether which is used in cosmetics as a preservative at concentrations below 1% and as a fixative for perfumes.

    According to the classification scheme of Hodge and Sterner,(1) Phenoxyethanol is practically nontoxic when administered orally or dermally to rats.

    In a subchronic oral toxicity study in rats of Phenoxyethanol, signs of toxicity included reduced body weights and an impaired ability to utilize feed. Increased liver, kidney, and thyroid weights were noted at necropsy in surviving rats.

    Undiluted Phenoxyethanol was a strong eye irritant, but was nonirritating when tested at 2.2%. Phenoxyethanol at 2.0% was a slight irritant to rabbit skin, but was neither an irritant nor sensitizer to guinea pig skin.

    In dermal treatment studies, Phenoxyethanol was neither teratogenic, embryotoxic, or fetotoxic at doses which were maternally toxic. Phenoxyethanol was nonmutagenic in the Ames test, with and without metabolic activition, and in the mouse micronucleus test.

    In clinical studies, Phenoxyethanol was neither a primary irritant nor sensitizer. Phenoxyethanol was not phototoxic in clinical studies.

    It is concluded that Phenoxyethanol is safe as a cosmetic ingredient in the present practices of use and concentration.
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  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    Ok. Chipping in here. IA with hippychic. There are a lot of websites that are good at scaring people. Phenoxy is a preserative, only used at 0.5-1% of your product. The warnings are if it is ingested in large amounts. A lot of things are safe in small amounts but harmful in large amounts.

    Use this website that has great information about FDA and CIR approvals of ingredients for cosmetics and whether they are GRAS (generally regarded as safe) or not. You will see on a lot of websites that post "this ingredient is bad, don't use it" don't even post where they get their info to back their claims up

    QB, DB, AV, OYIN all use phenoxyethanol as a preservative. If you see "optiphen" it is Phenoxyethanol (and) Caprylyl Glycol. DB doesn't state on her website the specific preservatie save to say "paraben-free" and I think (I don't quite remember and I'm away from home to check my products) but I think it is optiphen she uses. Optiphen is GRAS.

    ETA: Think about this: 0.5-1% of an 8 ounce product and your are putting about 2 quarter size amounts which will have a minute amount of 1%...even if you are using the whole container of product, you are only using 1%

    article from here (published in 1990, not sure what else is out there more recently re phenoxy)

    Abstract
    Phenoxyethanol is an aromatic ether which is used in cosmetics as a preservative at concentrations below 1% and as a fixative for perfumes.

    According to the classification scheme of Hodge and Sterner,(1) Phenoxyethanol is practically nontoxic when administered orally or dermally to rats.

    In a subchronic oral toxicity study in rats of Phenoxyethanol, signs of toxicity included reduced body weights and an impaired ability to utilize feed. Increased liver, kidney, and thyroid weights were noted at necropsy in surviving rats.

    Undiluted Phenoxyethanol was a strong eye irritant, but was nonirritating when tested at 2.2%. Phenoxyethanol at 2.0% was a slight irritant to rabbit skin, but was neither an irritant nor sensitizer to guinea pig skin.

    In dermal treatment studies, Phenoxyethanol was neither teratogenic, embryotoxic, or fetotoxic at doses which were maternally toxic. Phenoxyethanol was nonmutagenic in the Ames test, with and without metabolic activition, and in the mouse micronucleus test.

    In clinical studies, Phenoxyethanol was neither a primary irritant nor sensitizer. Phenoxyethanol was not phototoxic in clinical studies.

    It is concluded that Phenoxyethanol is safe as a cosmetic ingredient in the present practices of use and concentration.
    thank you coilynapp! i get so sick of the scare tactics and fear mongering.
    LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity:?, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

    faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
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  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users
    I really wish these websites that posted MSDS sheets actually knew how to READ them and understood how the information is presented. Fear mongering at it's best.

    MSDS sheets usually give information for chemicals in a 100% PURE UNDILUTED state. Just about everthing is toxic at that level...even oxygen!
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  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users
    I really wish these websites that posted MSDS sheets actually knew how to READ them and understood how the information is presented. Fear mongering at it's best.

    MSDS sheets usually give information for chemicals in a 100% PURE UNDILUTED state. Just about everthing is toxic at that level...even oxygen!
    yup!
    LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity:?, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

    faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
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  • rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
    coilynapp wrote: »
    Ok. Chipping in here. IA with hippychic. There are a lot of websites that are good at scaring people. Phenoxy is a preserative, only used at 0.5-1% of your product. The warnings are if it is ingested in large amounts. A lot of things are safe in small amounts but harmful in large amounts.

    Use this website that has great information about FDA and CIR approvals of ingredients for cosmetics and whether they are GRAS (generally regarded as safe) or not. You will see on a lot of websites that post "this ingredient is bad, don't use it" don't even post where they get their info to back their claims up

    QB, DB, AV, OYIN all use phenoxyethanol as a preservative. If you see "optiphen" it is Phenoxyethanol (and) Caprylyl Glycol. DB doesn't state on her website the specific preservatie save to say "paraben-free" and I think (I don't quite remember and I'm away from home to check my products) but I think it is optiphen she uses. Optiphen is GRAS.

    ETA: Think about this: 0.5-1% of an 8 ounce product and your are putting about 2 quarter size amounts which will have a minute amount of 1%...even if you are using the whole container of product, you are only using 1%

    article from here (published in 1990, not sure what else is out there more recently re phenoxy)

    Abstract
    Phenoxyethanol is an aromatic ether which is used in cosmetics as a preservative at concentrations below 1% and as a fixative for perfumes.

    According to the classification scheme of Hodge and Sterner,(1) Phenoxyethanol is practically nontoxic when administered orally or dermally to rats.

    In a subchronic oral toxicity study in rats of Phenoxyethanol, signs of toxicity included reduced body weights and an impaired ability to utilize feed. Increased liver, kidney, and thyroid weights were noted at necropsy in surviving rats.

    Undiluted Phenoxyethanol was a strong eye irritant, but was nonirritating when tested at 2.2%. Phenoxyethanol at 2.0% was a slight irritant to rabbit skin, but was neither an irritant nor sensitizer to guinea pig skin.

    In dermal treatment studies, Phenoxyethanol was neither teratogenic, embryotoxic, or fetotoxic at doses which were maternally toxic. Phenoxyethanol was nonmutagenic in the Ames test, with and without metabolic activition, and in the mouse micronucleus test.

    In clinical studies, Phenoxyethanol was neither a primary irritant nor sensitizer. Phenoxyethanol was not phototoxic in clinical studies.

    It is concluded that Phenoxyethanol is safe as a cosmetic ingredient in the present practices of use and concentration.

    Thank You for this information! :)
    awnmvgt87.png
    4a/OS/FN/Spongy
    Co-Wash: Vo5 Herbal Escapes Moisturizing Conditioner Free Me Freesia With Aloe Extract & Aussie Moist
    Leave In Conditioner: KCKT & seal with shea butter.
    Gel/Styler: KCCC or EcoStyler for edges.
    I think my hair likes cones... :)
  • coilynappcoilynapp Posts: 4,233Registered Users
    I really wish these websites that posted MSDS sheets actually knew how to READ them and understood how the information is presented. Fear mongering at it's best.

    MSDS sheets usually give information for chemicals in a 100% PURE UNDILUTED state. Just about everthing is toxic at that level...even oxygen!
    exactament!!! ITA!!!! Thank you ncc.

    oh and after checking, DB does use optiphen to preserve her products
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  • trdrubertrdruber Posts: 2Registered Users
    Can you pm me the stylers and conditioners that don't have phenoxyethanol? It seems to be in everything! It makes my scalp quite itchy.
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  • trdrubertrdruber Posts: 2Registered Users
    Never mind.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,270Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I know quite a few people who get itchy from it. And actually, itchiness is often caused by preservatives. About the only thing you can do is make your own cleanser if a lot of them bother you. There are recipes on Scieney Hair Blog because of that very issue.
  • SweetRellieSweetRellie Posts: 465Registered Users
    According to tightlycurly.com,

    Phenoxyethanol
    Okay
    Preservative believed to be less irritating than others. Can also be used as a fragrance [Winter pg 399].

    Phenoxyethanol is mild to the skin but can be hugely irritating to eyes—though it isn't found to be irritating in the tiny amounts normally used in products. Surprisingly, it also has some conditioning and emollient properties.

    This is an oily, white to off-white liquid that smells a bit like roses. It doesn't dissolve easily in water, but will in ethanol or alkaline environments. Though Phenoxyethanol kills bacteria, it doesn't kill all types of them, so it's often combined with other anti-bacterial ingredients to kill all bacteria that may form in a product. Because it is conditioning, Phenoxyethanol may be found more often in conditioners or cosmetics, or shampoos meant to be moisturizing. The problem with Phenoxyethanol is that you do have to use higher amounts to do the job, and since it smells like roses, it may be hard to cover up the scent (if you aren't wanting your product to smell rosy) [Hunting (Shampoo) pg 317-318]. This is in one of my favorite, go to conditioners that I've been using for well over ten years. It has not caused any problems as far as conditioning and defining my hair. That's why I'm calling it a

    * * * Tried and true ingredient * * *
    See also: Preservative
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    Leave-In: Maui Moisture's Curl Milk or Shea Butter Hair Mask
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  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm paranoid about a lot of ingredients, but this one doesn't bother me much. It seems like the popular preservative to use. I'd much rather use it over parabens anyday. Unless you're planning to eat your entire bottle of KCKT, I wouldn't worry too much... especially since you're putting like 1% of the bottle on your hair at a time.
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    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens