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Keratin and Henna

nappyasiannappyasian Posts: 87Registered Users
Hi ladies:
I have been reading everything thing I can find on the Keratin smoothing treatment. I still want my curls, but I live in 90% humidity year around and I have finally decided to give it a try. I haven't read anything on whether Kerartin mixes well with henna. I am more than 50% grey and I have been coloring my hair with henna and indigo for a year now.

Does anyone know how the Keratin will affect my color or if the henna will spoil the keratin?
thanks--

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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I know henna bonds to the keratin in hair... hmmm...I'm still searching.


    You might be able to submit a question to here. info@mehandi.com

    The site /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mehandi.com%2F" class="Popup sells quality henna and they're reputable. I bet they could answer it.
  • nappyasiannappyasian Posts: 87Registered Users
    thanks I'll write and ask.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I would love to know the answer to this question as well. Nappyasian, would you mind posting what you find out? TIA:angel3:
  • nappyasiannappyasian Posts: 87Registered Users
    I got a reply from Mehendi Henna and they said it was safe. They did not know anything about Keratin---they just said everything was safe. So I am not sure I can rely on that. Will check with Global Keratin as welll and post their reply.
  • msdimsdi Posts: 35Registered Users
    I know that Henna does not do well with most man made chemicals such as relaxers, perms and hair dyes.

    However, I have no clue how it will react to a chemical protein being added with it. I would say it should be fine since our hair is made up of keratin. The only concern would be that it would be too much protein. I would ask a beautician that is familiar with Henna. Esp someone from a country that uses it a lot like from a country in the continent of Africa or Asia.

    Hope this helps.
  • nappyasiannappyasian Posts: 87Registered Users
    well....I went ahead with my BB.....and its not taking well----my color is ok but already frizzy at the end of day 1.

    I wonder if its the henna?!?!?!?!?!?
  • BKTBKT Posts: 13Registered Users
    Henna is a naturally derived pigment that coats the cuticle of your hair, and if your intent is to keep on doing henna as an alternative to conventional hair color, then a Brazilian Keratin Treatment should give great results, since up top 80% of the curl and all the frizz can be removed, and a BKT is not a chemical service, but only a treatment, so the hair quality is improved, not compromised. BKT is also a good choice for Grey or White hair, since when the hair ceased to produce melanin pigment and goes first grey.. some granular pigment still left.. and then White.. no pigment... not only does the color change, but the Texture changes as well, and the de-pigmented hair is very coarse and wiry, since the cuticle is now compact. Whoever does the BKT should be certified by the company and well experienced with the product, since grey hair must be addressed keeping in mind that compact cuticle. The Certifications are usually posted in the salon, and show the name and license of the stylist, and also say when that stylist was certified to use that brand.
  • ~Ghost Poster~~Ghost Poster~ Posts: 2,264Registered Users
    I do once-monthly DIY BKTs with QOD Gold and have been doing so since Nov. 09. I also use BAG henna from mehandi.com without problems.

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  • nappyasiannappyasian Posts: 87Registered Users
    I went back to my salon for the washout today. The stylist was also puzzled that my BKT doesn't seem to be taking on my hair. She will redo it next week. She said I am the first one that has had any issue of her clients. The salon uses Global Keratin. Hopefully it will go better next time. My hair is getting grey so I will need to touch up the henna a week after the 2nd BKT.

    Hope is all work out---thanks again
  • ~Ghost Poster~~Ghost Poster~ Posts: 2,264Registered Users
    nappyasian wrote: »
    I went back to my salon for the washout today. The stylist was also puzzled that my BKT doesn't seem to be taking on my hair. She will redo it next week. She said I am the first one that has had any issue of her clients. The salon uses Global Keratin. Hopefully it will go better next time. My hair is getting grey so I will need to touch up the henna a week after the 2nd BKT.

    Hope is all work out---thanks again

    I don't know your story because I don't come around often anymore, so forgive me if I've missed something obvious, but tighter curls require more frequent initial applications. I used to have a long, detailed thread here about my BKT journey. I chronicled how I had to do it twice in a row before I relaxed my 3c/4a curls down to where I wanted them. I did my first app, then I did another 2 weeks later, then another a month later. At that time, I was about a 2b, so I waited another month and did it again, at which point the curl was too loose for my taste. I have lost actual count, but that may have been the last full-head app I did, which was back at the end of Jan, I believe.

    The looser your curls are when you apply the BKT, the looser the end result will be, which is why each successive application seems to "work better" and "last longer." So, if you are a 4b and you want to be a 3b, I would expect to do 3 or 4 full-head applications in rapid succession--one right after the other. There's no need to wait beyond the initial washout period because it's not like a chemical relaxer. I would do them once a week until my curl pattern was where I wanted it to be, then I would just do maintenance/root touchups or whatever your particular hair type dictates.

    My hair has done nothing but grow grow grow. It is now beyond my bra-strap, nearing my waist, and I haven't had it cut or trimmed since Nov. 09. No split ends in sight, either.

    My BKT has been life-changing for me. I hope you can get it to work for you as well. :toothy4:
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  • DimePiece17DimePiece17 Posts: 521Registered Users
    I've done three applications in the past 3 months to get my 4/a curls where i want them to be. Take one def didn't do it, and take two was eh. especially when frizz started to return 3 weeks into it....take 3 is right where i need to be. For me, the usage of any products containing the word sodium or citric acid seems to bring back frizz/reversion including the BB brand products which I guess are okay for BB users, but the disodium, i'm guessing, in the shampoo and anti frizz serum didn't help with my BKT. This time around I'm only using the la brasiliana leave in, my natural hair oils, and avacado and olive oil for DC. My shamoo will have to be the rejuvenol BKT shampoo, which is not sulfate free, but it is safe. I hope my hair grows now more too, shoot! lol...i'm taking msm and biotin too, so hope springs eternal. I'm getting married next summer and REALLY want a hair transformation.
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  • ~Ghost Poster~~Ghost Poster~ Posts: 2,264Registered Users
    Yes, even though the dreaded sodium chloride is simple table salt and "sodium" alone in other chemical names doesn't mean the same thing chemically, I still avoid anything with sodium or potassium in the name, or even chloride (but don't quote me on that), for that matter. I think not using shampoo to wash--even low-poo--more than once or twice a month aids in the maintenance as well. I wash my hair every other day, and I exercise/sweat daily, too, but I don't get dripping sweaty--just at the scalp, so that's new growth anyway. I don't know if the salty sweat has any negative effect on the BKT; I imagine it would, so I just plan to redo roots every 3-4 weeks, and that takes care of new growth as well as any the previously BKT'd hair that is still a little too curly.
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    L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
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    BRHG mix w/
    KCCC/KCKT (winter)
    Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
    Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites :love1:
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