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Cleansing conditioners for CO-washing

Hi everyone,
I tried to search for this topic but all I could get back were any posts with cleansing and conditioners, not the phrase, so forgive me if you've already been over this. Does anyone recommend cleansing or clarifying conditioners for CO-washing? If so, why and which ones? Which ones are not good? I abandoned CO-washing a while ago because my scalp always ended up getting greasy after a day or 2 and even after following all the suggestions nothing worked so I ended up having to 'poo. Now recently I've been seeing cleansing/clarifying conditioners and was wondering if they'd help.
Thanks!
Callie603
Learned about CG on 3/18/05
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  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    They've redone the v05 kiwi and lime , that's so sad since that was my fav conditioner wash. They do have a new kiwi and lime, same person makes it that should be on the shelf to try. The old formula was clarifying and works so well.
    I don't see clarifying on conditioners as much where I shop anymore.
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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  • JuicyTubeJuicyTube Posts: 2,369Registered Users
    Some people like the Suave clarifying conditioner to co wash.
    3b-3c CG
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Blush I've been meaning to try that is it nice and light and thin enough to spread well? I guess for as cheap as that is I might as well go for it huh?

    It would be nice to find a light replacement for the kiwi and lime squeeze. The suave aloe is nice but a bit too heavy for my hair during humid times.
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • mayimmayim Posts: 2,301Registered Users
    i use nature's gate herbal condish as my co wash. it's pretty light, and my roots never feel weighed down or greasy. you can always add a bit of lemon juice to your condish once in a while.

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  • JuicyTubeJuicyTube Posts: 2,369Registered Users
    medusahair wrote:
    Blush I've been meaning to try that is it nice and light and thin enough to spread well? I guess for as cheap as that is I might as well go for it huh?

    It would be nice to find a light replacement for the kiwi and lime squeeze. The suave aloe is nice but a bit too heavy for my hair during humid times.
    I personally haven't used it but I read on another thread that some people liked it for co washing because it was so light. I say give it a shot!
    3b-3c CG
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    I must have missed that thread, thanks so much I do believe I"ll try that! :D
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2FMedusahair%2F" class="Popup

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • PixieCurlPixieCurl Posts: 5,656Registered Users
    Faith, 3Aish redhead
    Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy :love5:
  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    I think diluting the conditioner you cleanse with helps alot my hair feels so much cleaner this way
  • SYBSYB Posts: 305Registered Users
    A conditioner that is worth trying to co-wash with is Nioxin's Scalp Therapy Conditioner. I actually use this conditioner, and it is faboulous! It does have scalp clarifying ingredients in it. And an added bonus to it is that it will help to retard hair loss as well.
    "Curls Tester"
    Products in my current regime: Nioxin Scalp Therapy Shampoo, ORS Replenishing Pak, Curls Whipped Cream, Curls Souffle, Curls Spiral Curls Cream, Curls Milkshake, Curls Quenched, BB(Bonner Brothers) Growth Lotion
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I'm not one of the ingredient gurus here but I don't think the new VO5 formulas changed enough to make much of a difference. The Kiwi & Lime still has extracts of kiwi, lime, rosemary, and lemongrass and I think those are the ingredients that help clarify and remove build up. But, again, I'm no expert.
    I'm still using the Kiwi & Lime as my clarifying conditioner (along with a once a week vinegar rinse) and my hair doesn't seem to notice any difference.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Thanks Jeep because I sure want to check that one out. I miss it! I have the best hair days using that.
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2FMedusahair%2F" class="Popup

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    I like either [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-No-Poo-p-53.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-nopoo]DevaCurl NoPoo[/buylink] or Suave Clarifying Conditioner. I alternate them, depending on how dirty/dry my hair feels. The Deva is richer, but still does a great job cleansing.
  • PianoWirePianoWire Posts: 24Registered Users
    I like the Nature's Gate Henna Conditioner too, it is gloppy but not heavy and rinses out well. The V05 Kiwi Lime made my dry hair even dryer, but for the record I had to stop using [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-No-Poo-p-53.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-nopoo]Devacurl No-Poo[/buylink] because it made my scalp greasy. So: Nature's Gate Henna. Conditioned hair without a gross scalp. Their Tea Tree conditioner was also very nice when I was having dandruff issues at the start of CG.
    2c...turned 3a since starting CG!
    Devacurl, Jessicurl, and Creme of Nature
    CG since 10/15/03
  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    medusahair wrote:
    They've redone the v05 kiwi and lime , that's so sad since that was my fav conditioner wash. They do have a new kiwi and lime, same person makes it that should be on the shelf to try. The old formula was clarifying and works so well.
    I don't see clarifying on conditioners as much where I shop anymore.
    They changed it??? I noticed some VO5s are coming in a new bottle but I thought the formulas had remained the same...:? Less than 2 weeks ago I got a large bottle of K&L and it's exactly the same as the one I'm still using (but the bottle is the same too). I'll have to look up the new one and look at the label to see what's different and if it could make a difference.

    callie603:

    If you can still find the old one (in the teardrop shaped bottle) give it a try, it removes oil and other build-up very well IMO and it's so cheap it's worth it (I got a 22.5 oz. bottle at Dollar Tree).
    2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

    "Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC ;-)
  • RedheadCurly2007RedheadCurly2007 Posts: 230Registered Users
    Sorry ladies, and gents. I am new here. What is a co wash? Is it the same as washing hair with conditioner, or different? Thanks ahead of time.

    RedheadCurly2007
    3B, CG,Corkscrew
    Xtramoist shampoo, Fastfood leave on, Recoil, varnish Gel-Herbal Essances, Totally Twisted
    Irish-American Curly
    Never try to be something you are not, and never be afraid to be who you are.
    RedheadCurly
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Redhead yes it's the same thing we're just shortening it so it's easier to type.

    The V05 has definitely changed. If your bottle looks the same then they had some of the old formula. You can see it on their site. My store has been out since they changed it and the new ones are creeping in slowly but surely.
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    I immediately went to the site last night but they don't list the ingredients. I don't know why but several other sites I've been to don't provide the list of ingredients of their products, I find that very annoying. :x

    I'm dying to know because I like the CO the way it is and I've already lost two of my favorite COs to reformulation. They have a feature for completing a mini-survey about their products, I accidentally opened that for the K&L and one of the questions is how moisturizing the CO is (from 1 to 5) and since it has a reputation of drying the hair (used as a finishing CO) maybe they decided to add more moisturizers.
    2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

    "Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC ;-)
  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    Sorry, dp!
    2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

    "Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC ;-)
  • callie603callie603 Posts: 11Registered Users
    Well, I co-washed for like 2 days. I used lots of water mixed with the co (Suave naturals tropical coconut). My hair at the roots didn't look greasy on top but in areas I didn't get so well, it did look a little oily. In addition, my hair kept getting bigger (ie more volume) and straighter. So I conditioned (full strength) and used my 'poo (currently L'Oreal Vive, which has a mild sulfate and a cone until I can find a good low 'poo that I like that lathers) and the results were instantaneous in the shower.

    So I guess my hair either
    1. Definitely needs a low-'poo.
    2. Or I need to co-wash with a different conditioner, maybe one of the clarifying conditioners we're discussing.
    3. Or I have some sort of buildup (maybe from the 'poo) that needs to be removed before I can begin co-washing.

    Any ideas?

    VO5: I used this one before, I think, the Kiwi and Lime. Does it say it's clarifying? The one I used did not say so. But I couldn't stand the smell (too sicky-sweet), and maybe I needed to mix it with water. I seem to remember the same results as with the Suave. But at that time I was not mixing with water.
    Learned about CG on 3/18/05
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Found this online.
    Kiwi & Lime ingredients: Water; Cetyl Alcohol; Stearyl Alcohol; Stearalkonium Chloride; Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract; Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract; Actinidia Chinensis (Kiwi) Fruit Extract; Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Fruit Extract; Hydrolyzed Collagen; Ergocalciferol (Vitamin D); Steareth-21; Glyceryl Stearate; Benzophenone-4; Corn Oil; Propylene Glycol; Disodium EDTA; DMDM Hydantoin; Fragrance; Blue 1; Yellow 5.
    It showed a picture of the old style bottle but I figured it was the new ingredients using a graphic of the old bottle. They are different than those listed on an old bottle I have.
    Water; Cetyl Alcohol; Cetrimonium chloride; Stearalkonium chloride; Stearyl Alcohol; Steareth-21; Glyceryl Stearate; Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract; Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract; Actinidia Chinensis (Kiwi) Fruit Extract; Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Fruit Extract; Hydrolyzed Collagen; Tocopheral acetate, Biotin, Niacinimide, Polysorbate 20, Ascorbic acid, Panthenol, Propylene Glycol; Benzophenone-4; DMDM Hydantoin; Disodium EDTA; Fragrance; Blue 1; Yellow 5.

    Is corn oil used in lots of conditioners? Can't say as I've ever seen it listed on anything.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • RedheadCurly2007RedheadCurly2007 Posts: 230Registered Users
    OK, I am probably going to drive you all nuts, but what is low-poo, and no-poo? I had the impression it was a name brand. I was all set to buy it. I am sure it stands for something that is pertaining to the conditioners we use. Please help again. I have been looking for a more informative section of this site, but cannot find it. I especially wanted a complete list of no-sulfate condtioners, and no 'cone conditioners, without having to delve through all the ingredient lists ea. time I buy. Thanks if you can help.
    3B, CG,Corkscrew
    Xtramoist shampoo, Fastfood leave on, Recoil, varnish Gel-Herbal Essances, Totally Twisted
    Irish-American Curly
    Never try to be something you are not, and never be afraid to be who you are.
    RedheadCurly
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    I hear ya on the labels
    No poo and low poo are DevaCurl
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I don't use these but here's an explanation of each.

    DevaCare Low Poo
    Extra moisturizing low-sudsing cleanser for stressed hair.

    DevaCare No Poo
    Extra moisturizing, sulfate-free cleanser for stressed hair.

    They sell them right here at CurlMart.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    jeepcurlygurl:

    Your post about VO5 confused me a little bit because the first LOI is the same as in the bottle I bought a couple of weeks ago AND as the old one that I've had for I think a year, so I am assuming the 2nd LOI corresponded to the new formula even though you said those ingredients are different than your old bottle :?: (Can you "clarify"? No pun intended, really! :lol:)

    So it seems I guessed right, they are trying to make it more moisturizing because the differences I noticed were: the addition of cetrimonium chloride, another quaternary ammonium salt more detangling than stearalkonium cl.; glyceryl stearate, an emollient, appears higher up, meaning they increased the amount; they added the vitamins biotin, niacinamide and ascorbic acid (C), they added polysorbate 20 (non-ionic surfactant/emulsifier) and panthenol (moisturizer) BUT they removed the corn oil, something I consider made this more "CG"-friendly. There's no way of knowing if they decreased the amount of lime juice so I don't know if it will still be as clarifying as before.

    callie603:

    To avoid further confusion, let me add that both DevaCurl and DevaCare are product lines developed by the owners of the salon Devachan in NYC. One of them is Lorraine Massey, author of the book "Curly Girl" (a must read!) and creator of the routine outlined in the book, which we call CG for short. And "no-poo" is also a term sometimes used here to refer to the no-shampoo part of the routine for curlies (wavies sometimes need a gentle shampoo).
    2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

    "Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC ;-)
  • callie603callie603 Posts: 11Registered Users
    I think you meant to direct the last bit to RedHead. I've read Curly Girl and been trying to do CG and co-washing since March 05... But thanks for the extra info and clarification!
    Learned about CG on 3/18/05
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    jeepcurlygurl:
    Your post about VO5 confused me a little bit because the first LOI is the same as in the bottle I bought a couple of weeks ago AND as the old one that I've had for I think a year, so I am assuming the 2nd LOI corresponded to the new formula even though you said those ingredients are different than your old bottle :?: (Can you "clarify"? No pun intended, really! :lol:)

    Yes, it confused me too (which I thought I wrote in my post and obviously didn't! And also didn't explain at all well! :? I'm editing that post to make it less confusing maybe.)

    The first list of ingredients are from online showing a picture of the OLD bottle. So I figured it was the NEW ingredients and they just used an old grapic.
    The second list of ingredients are from an OLD bottle I have so I figured it was definitely the OLD formula.

    And now I'm even more confused. You have an old bottle with the first set of ingredients and I have an old bottle with the second set of ingredients? errrggg. My brain hurts.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    I'm scratching my head wondering what the heck they've been doing... Most of these companies have 2 or 3 manufacturing plants from which they ship to different regions, so I'm wondering if VO5 does too it could be that wherever I'm getting mine from maybe had a large inventory of the "old" formula and that's why I still could get some of it.

    A couple of years ago I "discovered" their "So Smooth" anti-frizz formula with jojoba oil at a dollar store. I bought one bottle and was very surprised to get really good results, I could use it as a leave-in and skip the gel so very excitedly I came here to share the news. Well, several people searched high and low and I couldn't imagine why no one could find it until finally someone found out through the site or something that was actually a discontinued type but I'd never seen it before ianywhere in 2 years of doing CG! I ran back and got a second bottle but because I started using other more detangling COs it got bad before I could finish it. I always thought it was a shame they had to discontinue that one!

    Next time I go to K-Mart or Wal-mart I'll check and see which one they have there, I believe I saw the new bottles at K-mart last time I was there. However, I was at Walgreen's 2 days ago and they didn't even have the K&L and whatever they had was in the teardrop bottles, maybe because they sell much less they still are selling whatever they had in their warehouse.
    2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

    "Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC ;-)
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Ok CVS had the new formula. The bottle isn't too terribly much different. It says new richer formula softer hair on the new one. No corn oil in this one. Fine by me. The cap is silfer, my old one was sorta umm bronze or goldy color? not silver anyway.
    I'll be using it tomorrow so I'll get to see how it works then. I don't need my washing one to be any richer so I hope that's just hype. I use a plenty rich conditioner in the winter already for actual conditioning.

    Anyhoo, that's my excitment for the day :D
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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  • one way streetone way street Posts: 772Registered Users
    Has anyone had any problems with the collagen? That's a protein.
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    Currently: Trying to stop straightening so much. Using Elucence conditioner and whatever works for me.
  • Kgrl17Kgrl17 Posts: 137Registered Users
    I use Suave Tropical Coconut conditioner. I love the smell of it and it's good for co-washing because it's so light and wont weigh your hair down if you choose to condition with a normal product after.
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