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here's your fucking patriot act

CaryCary Posts: 102Registered Users
an iranian-american student was tazed at the library in UCLA because he failed to produce his student ID during a "random check". in the video , which is about 4 minutes long, they must have tazed him at least 5 times. once the guy screamed he had a medical condition they should have stopped... not tazed him 4 more times. i dont think anyone would feel well enough to stand up 20 seconds after being tazed, let alone after they were tazed repeatedly. the other students who were watching asked the officers for their badge numbers and were told to get back or they would be tazed also. wtf is wrong with these cops?
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  • KraytKrayt Posts: 765Registered Users
    You left out the part where he was a complete ass to the cops as well.
  • PartyHairPartyHair Posts: 7,713Registered Users
    You left out the part where he was a complete ass to the cops as well.

    How was he being an ass? Was he just mouthing off? I don't think that's worthy of being tazed once, much less 4 times.
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  • KraytKrayt Posts: 765Registered Users
    I didn't say wether it was worthy or not. But he was an ass. They have a rule there where you need your ID after a certain time, he could have simply complied, but he chose to be an ass and make a scene.
  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    That's seriously messed up!
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  • pinksugarpinksugar Posts: 2,346Registered Users
    I'm not saying they were in the right for tazering him 4 times, but I wonder why he wouldn't stand up when they told him to numerous times.
  • automaticflowersautomaticflowers Posts: 3,465Registered Users
    If you've never been zapped with a Taser, I think it would be difficult to gauge how long it would take to stand up again when you're in a lot of pain. I've never been zapped with one, but I can't imagine it feels good.

    The sound on my computer doesn't work... was the guy refusing to let police see his ID? Was he the only one targeted for the "random" check? Why was tasing him even necessary? Couldn't they have just taken him into custody if he resisted cooperating?
  • pinksugarpinksugar Posts: 2,346Registered Users
    If you've never been zapped with a Taser, I think it would be difficult to gauge how long it would take to stand up again when you're in a lot of pain. I've never been zapped with one, but I can't imagine it feels good.

    Good point. :oops:
  • hayseedladyhayseedlady Posts: 646Registered Users
    The way he was mouthing off and not obeying the directives from the police/campus security he got what he deserved. I don't understand why he didn't just get his ID out and there wouldn't have been any problem.

    Yes I have been zapped well over 100+ times, I've even had to fight through stun shields to get my certification during the department of corrections training. It doesn't hurt that much, except when someone sneaks up behind you and gets you on your hamstring or butt. That will put ya down.
  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    It doesn't hurt that much, except when someone sneaks up behind you and gets you on your hamstring or butt. That will put ya down.

    Funny you mention that.
    "It was beyond grotesque," said UCLA graduate David Remesnitsky of Los Angeles, who witnessed the incident. "By the end they took him over the stairs, lifted him up and Tasered him on his rear end. It seemed like it was inappropriately placed. The Tasering was so unnecessary and they just kept doing it."

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  • goldygoldy Posts: 5,455Registered Users
    i couldn't watch the whole thing.. it was too horrible..

    i could never imagine having to witness that, even worse endure that..
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    It doesn't hurt that much, except when someone sneaks up behind you and gets you on your hamstring or butt. That will put ya down.


    And cops would never taser someone in those extreme pain places, now would they? Nah...

    I don't know why they hell they couldn't just cuff him and drag him out of there if he was such a disturbance. He didn't look that big. Why torture the guy with a taser over and over and over...
  • automaticflowersautomaticflowers Posts: 3,465Registered Users
    And cops would never taser someone in those extreme pain places, now would they? Nah...

    I don't know why they hell they couldn't just cuff him and drag him out of there if he was such a disturbance. He didn't look that big. Why torture the guy with a taser over and over and over...

    He wasn't armed either, was he?

    Even though he was uncooperative, I think the police were out of line. There were three/four of them, and only one of him.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    Even though he was uncooperative, I think the police were out of line. There were three/four of them, and only one of him.


    Cops get special license to torture it seems. And we're all supposed to put up with it, because it's like the most dangerous job in the world...but it really isn't. Statistically, it's not all that dangerous to be a cop. They just want us to think it is.
  • KCLKCL Posts: 1,663Registered Users
    The way he was mouthing off and not obeying the directives from the police/campus security he got what he deserved. I don't understand why he didn't just get his ID out and there wouldn't have been any problem.

    Yes I have been zapped well over 100+ times, I've even had to fight through stun shields to get my certification during the department of corrections training. It doesn't hurt that much, except when someone sneaks up behind you and gets you on your hamstring or butt. That will put ya down.

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  • KCLKCL Posts: 1,663Registered Users
    The thing is, it is highly suspicious that he was stopped and "asked" to show his ID for any other reason than he looked muslim...

    Imagine how many times in a day he is treated poorly for being muslim looking or arab looking multiply that by every week by every month by every year...and then maybe you'll get some idea why he was exasperated and anger by such a request.

    And by the way, citizens have every right to be asses to the police without suffering police brutality as a result.
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  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    It doesn't hurt that much, except when someone sneaks up behind you and gets you on your hamstring or butt. That will put ya down.


    And cops would never taser someone in those extreme pain places, now would they? Nah...

    I don't know why they hell they couldn't just cuff him and drag him out of there if he was such a disturbance. He didn't look that big. Why torture the guy with a taser over and over and over...

    I know. Couldn't they hogtie him, like they do to the suspects on Cops? :?:

    I mean, jeez, tasering him over and over like that...
  • roseannadanaroseannadana Posts: 5,632Registered Users
    I read somewhere that they do random ID checks at this library. I don't know why he didn't want to show his but more and more police departments are using tasers as a punitive measure rather than to subdue a citizen.

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  • KCLKCL Posts: 1,663Registered Users
    I read somewhere that they do random ID checks at this library. I don't know why he didn't want to show his but more and more police departments are using tasers as a punitive measure rather than to subdue a citizen.

    Of course they are claiming that they do "random" ID checks. What else are they going to say?
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    I read somewhere that they do random ID checks at this library. I don't know why he didn't want to show his but more and more police departments are using tasers as a punitive measure rather than to subdue a citizen.

    That's disgusting. Cruel and unusual punishment much?
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  • roseannadanaroseannadana Posts: 5,632Registered Users
    I read somewhere that they do random ID checks at this library. I don't know why he didn't want to show his but more and more police departments are using tasers as a punitive measure rather than to subdue a citizen.

    Of course they are claiming that they do "random" ID checks. What else are they going to say?

    It could be random but I doubt it too. Random would be like, every tenth person regardless of their race or age. With things being the way they are lately, I would suppose they chose him because he looked like a "terra-ist."

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  • NessyNessy Posts: 788Registered Users
    Yes, let's taser an unarmed college kid studying at the library. Even if he was uncooperative, there were at least 3 cops there - don't tell me that they couldn't keep the kid under control themselves without a taser gun. Why don't they go out and taser a pedophile or a drug dealer instead of harrassing some poor kid studying at the library b/c he didn't show them ID.
  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    Here's the story as I understand it:

    The school's policy is that students are always supposed to carry their Bruins card. The person who originally asked to see it was a school official, but the student declined to show his ID because he felt he was being racially profiled. He was the only Middle Eastern person in the room, and witnesses have said that they did not see anyone else being checked for ID. Rather than show his ID to someone he felt was singling him out, the student decided to leave. He was on his way out when a police officer entered and grabbed his arm, and that's when things got ugly.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    pinksugar wrote:
    I'm not saying they were in the right for tazering him 4 times, but I wonder why he wouldn't stand up when they told him to numerous times.

    I've been tazered, and it ain't easy to get back up. Heck, I had to think to catch my breath, let alone get up.
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    That was horrible and unbelievably cruel. 3 cops against one un-armed person, and they threaten to taze him again if he won't stand up?
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  • slinky1slinky1 Banned Posts: 1,612Banned Users
    Mouthing off to the police gets you nowhere, whether you are innocent or not. Would you dare talking back to the police...even if you were innocent?

    Some police(wo)men are jerks, it is true. Some of them really love to throw their weight around.
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  • KCLKCL Posts: 1,663Registered Users
    slinky1 wrote:
    Mouthing off to the police gets you nowhere, whether you are innocent or not. Would you dare talking back to the police...even if you were innocent?

    Some police(wo)men are jerks, it is true. Some of them really love to throw their weight around.

    it doesn't matter if it gets you anywhere or not...it shouldn't be carte blanche for the police to abuse you...

    and why should you not "talk back" to the police. Last time I checked, we paid their salaries and they are our civil SERVANTS ...let's not forget that
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    and why should you not "talk back" to the police. Last time I checked, we paid their salaries and they are our civil SERVANTS ...let's not forget that


    Not to mention, we're supposed to have freedom of speech in this country...one of our most precious rights.
  • slinky1slinky1 Banned Posts: 1,612Banned Users
    Yeah, I agree.

    But still, so many people in this world don't do what they're supposed to do or what's right...it is like we have to play damage control all of the time. He should have been compliant first, and hired a lawyer later. Just like if your credit card company erroneously says you owe money when you don't. If you don't pay, you could be in serious trouble for quite some time. But, of course, in my example, the company made a mistake and wasn't delibrately trying to screw people.

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  • GuardianBGuardianB Posts: 1,818Registered Users
    If this were a blond haired white kid, what defense would he have for his actions were they the same? Could he say he was being profiled?

    I'm not saying this kid wasn't or he may not have had just cause and reasoning but this is about him and the officers (were they city cops or campus security?) being assholes. They both crossed the line on this one. Both need to show restraint and act as responsible, reasonable people. This situation could have and shold have been avoided.

    Also I don't think it has anything to do with the patriot act. That piece of crap document is crap but not directly related IMO.
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  • KCLKCL Posts: 1,663Registered Users
    GuardianB wrote:
    If this were a blond haired white kid, what defense would he have for his actions were they the same? .

    I strong suspect it never would have happened to a blonde haired kid and if it did, the police would be the ones explaining, not him.

    And the same people saying the muslim kid deserved it would probably be talking about police brutality now.
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