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Is Protein good or bad?

kayla218kayla218 Posts: 18Registered Users
I'm a newly natural and I have been learning alot about my hair and being a curly. However, I'm still confused about this protein thing...Is protein good or bad for your hair? or is every curly girl different?...Please help a newly natural out! :)

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  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    Hi Kayla...every curly is different. Some curlies, coarser haired ones usually, are sensitive to proteins. Other curlies, like me, who are fine haired, have hair that EATS IT FOR BREAKFAST LOL.

    You should never not use protein at all....the key is finding the right balance for your hair. If you chemically treat, heat style, swim, are out in the sun, or use hot water on your hair you'll probably need more.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • kellygreen49kellygreen49 Posts: 625Registered Users
    *nods to rymorg2*
    Also, too much protein on hair that needs more moisture instead (humectants) can actually dry out your hair and cause breakage. So always approach protein with caution unless you're one of the protein lovin' girlies.
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  • kayla218kayla218 Posts: 18Registered Users
    thanks you guys so much....both of you have definately helpes me on how i approach protein :)
  • AmobailarAmobailar Posts: 8Registered Users
    I'd like to expand Kayla's question because the protein issue has confused me too. What products have proteins in them? Condish? Gels? How can I tell what has a protein or not? One more question: What will my hair do if it doesn't like protein?

    Modified CG since June 2010
    3b/course/high porosity
    Low-poo: Lorel EverSleek
    Condish: Organix Macadamia Oil
    Style: La Bella Lots of Curls styling gel
    My curls LOVE Silk Elements Deep Conditioner
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users
    Amobailar wrote: »
    I'd like to expand Kayla's question because the protein issue has confused me too. What products have proteins in them? Condish? Gels? How can I tell what has a protein or not? One more question: What will my hair do if it doesn't like protein?

    I think that if your hair doesn't like protein it can get very dry and brittle. Also, using too much protein can do this, too.

    Products that contain protein usually have ingredients like this in them:

    Common protein ingredients include:
    • Hydrolyzed Collagen Protein
    • Hydrolyzed Silk Protein
    • Hydrolyzed Soy Protein
    • Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein
    • Silk Amino Acids
    • Silk Protein
    • Soy Protein
    • Wheat Amino Acids
    • Wheat Protein
    This article also has some info on protein ingredients:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/ingredients-commonly-found-in-hair-care-products

    Humectants, conditioners
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed casein
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed collagen
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed hair keratin
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed rice protein
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed silk
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed soy protein
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed wheat protein
    Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl silk amino acids
    Cocoyl hydrolyzed collagen
    Cocoyl hydrolyzed keratin
    Hydrolyzed keratin
    Hydrolyzed oat flour
    Hydrolyzed silk
    Hydrolyzed silk protein
    Hydrolyzed soy protein
    Hydrolyzed wheat protein
    Hydrolyzed wheat protein
    Keratin
    Potassium cocoyl hydrolyzed collagen
    TEA-cocoyl hydrolyzed collagen
    TEA-cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • anniemaeanniemae Posts: 1,702Registered Users
    kayla218 wrote: »
    I'm a newly natural and I have been learning alot about my hair and being a curly. However, I'm still confused about this protein thing...Is protein good or bad for your hair? or is every curly girl different?...Please help a newly natural out! :)

    Here is some good info that I found about proteins: (If anything is incorrect, please let me know - thanks!!)

    "The amount of protein you need or may not need depends on your hair type. If you have fine hair, then you will do well with protein. If you have coarse hair, then you should avoid proteins. If you have damaged hair, then protein can help to repair the damage. If your wet hair is extremely stretchy and elastic, then you need protein."

    **** But, always do a deep moisturizing treatment after you do a protein treatment".

    Here is some other info:

    FINE HAIR
    Needs protein
    No humectants
    No emollients
    Color takes faster


    COARSE HAIR
    Needs no protein
    Needs humectants
    Needs emollients
    Needs acidic treatments (ACV rinses)
    Color takes slower

    LOW ELASTICITY
    Needs no protein
    Needs moisture

    LOW POROSITY
    Repels water, color, and products
    Needs moisture
    Needs humectants
    Needs no protein
    Color fades slowly
    Color takes slower
    (when testing - feels slick)

    NORMAL POROSITY
    Absorbs and retains water and products
    Needs occasional protein
    Keep a balance between moisture and protein
    (when testing - feels smooth)

    HIGH POROSITY
    Overly absorbs water, color, and products
    Needs moisture
    Need emollients
    Needs protein
    Color fades fast
    Color takes quickly
    Dry, fragile, brittle
    Do not use soap bars
    Needs ACV rinses
    Use gels, oils, and butters
    (Caused by heat damage, hard water/chlorine saturation, using harsh ingredients)
    (when testing - feels ruffled)
    Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
    2b-c/F/ii
    :dog:
  • kayla218kayla218 Posts: 18Registered Users
    Amobailar wrote: »
    I'd like to expand Kayla's question because the protein issue has confused me too. What products have proteins in them? Condish? Gels? How can I tell what has a protein or not? One more question: What will my hair do if it doesn't like protein?

    thanks so much for asking these questions....i was wondering about some of these things last night! :)
  • kayla218kayla218 Posts: 18Registered Users
    anniemae wrote: »
    kayla218 wrote: »
    I'm a newly natural and I have been learning alot about my hair and being a curly. However, I'm still confused about this protein thing...Is protein good or bad for your hair? or is every curly girl different?...Please help a newly natural out! :)

    Here is some good info that I found about proteins: (If anything is incorrect, please let me know - thanks!!)

    "The amount of protein you need or may not need depends on your hair type. If you have fine hair, then you will do well with protein. If you have coarse hair, then you should avoid proteins. If you have damaged hair, then protein can help to repair the damage. If your wet hair is extremely stretchy and elastic, then you need protein."

    **** But, always do a deep moisturizing treatment after you do a protein treatment".

    Here is some other info:

    FINE HAIR
    Needs protein
    No humectants
    No emollients
    Color takes faster


    COARSE HAIR
    Needs no protein
    Needs humectants
    Needs emollients
    Needs acidic treatments (ACV rinses)
    Color takes slower

    LOW ELASTICITY
    Needs no protein
    Needs moisture

    LOW POROSITY
    Repels water, color, and products
    Needs moisture
    Needs humectants
    Needs no protein
    Color fades slowly
    Color takes slower
    (when testing - feels slick)

    NORMAL POROSITY
    Absorbs and retains water and products
    Needs occasional protein
    Keep a balance between moisture and protein
    (when testing - feels smooth)

    HIGH POROSITY
    Overly absorbs water, color, and products
    Needs moisture
    Need emollients
    Needs protein
    Color fades fast
    Color takes quickly
    Dry, fragile, brittle
    Do not use soap bars
    Needs ACV rinses
    Use gels, oils, and butters
    (Caused by heat damage, hard water/chlorine saturation, using harsh ingredients)
    (when testing - feels ruffled)

    what are emollients? i forgot
  • LongDarkWavyHairLongDarkWavyHair Posts: 69Registered Users
    first - Kelly - Your curls are gorgeous! I looked through your fotiki - your Pre-CG is more like what I am now (post cg!) and your current (post cg) is amazing. Any changes in how you styled (other than products?). How often do you co-wash, etc?

    second - I've read that if your hair LACKS elasticity it needs protein.. no?
    2c/3a. Fine-Medium, Med-High Porosity. NO elasticity.

    Mainly CG (co-wash daily; no poo, no cones)
    Current products:
    Co-wash: Desert Essences Organics (lemon for clarifying)
    Condish: Desert Essences Organics (coconut for moisture)
    Hair Gel: KissMyFace, HFSG

    Occasionals:
    Coconut Oil
    Baking Soda/ACV
    Trying:
    Gelatin/ACV Protein Treatment
    Biotene H-24 Condish
    VO5 Hot Oil

    Hair Pics: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fs754.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx186%2Flongdarkwavyhair%2FCG%2520Hair%2F" class="Popup
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    Yes, that's opposite.

    Protein is what helps your hair to bounce back once it's stretched. Also known as elasticity. So if you have low elasticity you need protein. Hence another reason my hair eats it for breakfast LOL. :D
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • LongDarkWavyHairLongDarkWavyHair Posts: 69Registered Users
    Okay, that's what I thought.

    It's just I read the quote that anniemae posted (saying that if your hair is overly stretchy/elastic it NEEDS protein, and got worried)/.
    2c/3a. Fine-Medium, Med-High Porosity. NO elasticity.

    Mainly CG (co-wash daily; no poo, no cones)
    Current products:
    Co-wash: Desert Essences Organics (lemon for clarifying)
    Condish: Desert Essences Organics (coconut for moisture)
    Hair Gel: KissMyFace, HFSG

    Occasionals:
    Coconut Oil
    Baking Soda/ACV
    Trying:
    Gelatin/ACV Protein Treatment
    Biotene H-24 Condish
    VO5 Hot Oil

    Hair Pics: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fs754.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx186%2Flongdarkwavyhair%2FCG%2520Hair%2F" class="Popup
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    Okay, that's what I thought.

    It's just I read the quote that anniemae posted (saying that if your hair is overly stretchy/elastic it NEEDS protein, and got worried)/.


    Well, it's a little misleading, simply because that can be true too. What that indicates is that someone has overly chemically processed hair. Like, they bleached the heck out of it and it's stretching and gummy and coming off their head. Moisture gives the ability to stretch, protein the ability to bounce back once it's been stretched out.

    It's all in a fine balance...the key isn't to avoid one or the other but find what your hair's balance is. I NEVER recommend completely avoiding protein, some people just need more moisture than protein. Even RCC who is pretty protein sensitive has her moments that she needs it. She just has figured out which proteins work for her and how long to do them.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
    Low poo: looking
    COWash: Eden, cheapo condish, CJDF
    RO: varies
    Protein: CJCF or CJRM
    DT: CJHBDF, CJCR, DBPC
    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

    Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
    Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • anonymous_60337anonymous_60337 Posts: 22Registered Users
    little confused still. I'm fairly new, been CG/modified CG for about 6-7 months now. How do you know if you're protein sensitive or not? Is it if you're doing CG and your hair is super frizzy/dry? I'm just confused as to how you would decide whether or not your hair likes proteins/if you should use proteins for your hair.
    Thanks :)
    3b, shoulder-length, cut all one length
    Co-wash: VO5 or Suave Naturals
    Conditioners: Garnier Fructis Sleek and Shine
    Leave in: Tresemme Naturals
    Gel: LA Looks 9 Hold


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  • citlizzy79citlizzy79 Posts: 4Registered Users
    ditto strish's question. i am also still confused about the whole protein thing. i started co-washing a few months ago and my hair has become DRIER, its like straw! i was not expecting that. so obviously i am doing something wrong. i have been using trader joe's nourish spa conditioner.

    i just don't get the whole protein thing. my hair is 3b, i guess. its not coarse. but now that its so dry it sure feels a lot coarser!

    help!!! how the heck do i figure out what my hair needs?
  • SailaSaila Posts: 1,212Registered Users
    citlizzy79 wrote: »
    ditto strish's question. i am also still confused about the whole protein thing. i started co-washing a few months ago and my hair has become DRIER, its like straw! i was not expecting that. so obviously i am doing something wrong. i have been using trader joe's nourish spa conditioner.

    i just don't get the whole protein thing. my hair is 3b, i guess. its not coarse. but now that its so dry it sure feels a lot coarser!

    help!!! how the heck do i figure out what my hair needs?

    You might need to clarify to remove buildup. You can either use a regular shampoo, or low sulfate if you prefer. You can also make your own solution of apple cider vinegar or lemon juice diluted with water.

    What kind of conditioner are you using?