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Ice water???

Hello all,

I just caught a bit on the Tyra show where she recommended that curly girls use ICE WATER before putting in product to 'seal' the hair. Has anyone tried this? Maybe a heightened form of sealing when we rinse with cool water in the shower?

Thanks!
Erica :fish:
3a/b, fine, tends to be flat on top/at roots. :sad: Growing out damaged ends:clock:.
No-poo for over a year.

Experimenting with CV bars, AVG/J, and FSG.

Ultimate goal: NO PRODUCT!!!:blob8: Considering Terressentials.

Comments

  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,654Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I used to do a very cold water rinse as my final rinse. It didn't make that much difference for my hair so I stopped
    Location: Texas
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    Leave-ins: Curl Junkie Beauti-Curls, KCKT, cno overnight
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  • murrrcatmurrrcat Posts: 9,596Registered Users
    I use neither because I don't like the cold water touching me. When I did it once I never notice a difference anyway.
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  • Simply RedSimply Red Posts: 31Registered Users
    Hello Erica,
    Wow, hardly anyone seems to know about this! I am a huge fan of this technique, although I do not use ICE WATER as such, just COLD WATER. Really not sure whether there would be much difference between the two.

    Please refer to my reply post on the Favorite products for enhancing waves/curls thread for more info (below).

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?p=1390699#post1390699

    All the best from downunder!

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    Treatment: Redken All Soft Heavy Cream
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    People who do the ice queen method as written use cold water. The thinking is that it closes the cuticle. Lots of people report great success.
    The natural haven blog says that the cuticle does not open and close this way. See the 2nd question in this post.
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    I hate to be cold. Even if ice water made my hair look like Nicole Kidman's, I probably still wouldn't do it.
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  • breathebreathe Posts: 399Registered Users
    I can get the water in my shower ice cold very easily, haha. It really works for me, I can always feel the difference between my "open" cuticles and "closed" cuticles. Plus, it helps my curls clump back together after a detangling session.
    big chop: 03/09/2010.
    modified cg.
    medium/coarse | dense | normal porosity | 4b/3c with random sprinkles of 4a.

  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I rinse my hair with cold water almost every day. Have been doing it since I was a teen. It makes a difference for my sometimes wind/sun damaged 3b hair. Seals it up, helps with detangling, adds some shine.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    I don't know about sealing the cuticle -- though the cited article which claims it won't, does say that heat opens the cuticle, so I sense some cognitive dissonance there. However it sure does promote clumping.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • tendrillytendrilly Posts: 183Registered Users
    Like Spiralli and turtles, when I have done a final rinse with cold water, I never noticed a difference. I had read the natural haven blog post that pedaheh mentioned and that seems to back up what we've experienced.

    Also, would this even help at all if you are going to diffuse (with warm air, thus ruffling or at least somewhat reopening the cuticle) afterwards anyway?
    Dry climate
    2C/3A, fine texture, high porosity, medium-low density

    For me, desert climate+porous hair+CG=inconsistent results! :-(
  • Ab-starAb-star Posts: 1,128Registered Users
    Spiralli wrote: »
    I used to do a very cold water rinse as my final rinse. It didn't make that much difference for my hair so I stopped

    I do this sometimes and it does seem to make a difference for me - at least on my ends.
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  • michellymichelly Posts: 6Registered Users
    when i use cold water to rinse it enhances my 3b curls and my hair gets clumped up and really hard to detangle for some reason idk why
    3b and fine hair (my version of the bc form below boob length to shoulder length june 1 2010 & no more heat styling till atleast prom sometime in may or june 2011) cg.

    low poo: curlicious curls cleansing cream (running out looking for new low poo)
    co wash: vitamin shoppe jojoba conditioner

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  • alaskachickalaskachick Posts: 15Registered Users
    thanks for all the advice and references, girls and guy! i have some reading to do!

    erica :happy7:
    3a/b, fine, tends to be flat on top/at roots. :sad: Growing out damaged ends:clock:.
    No-poo for over a year.

    Experimenting with CV bars, AVG/J, and FSG.

    Ultimate goal: NO PRODUCT!!!:blob8: Considering Terressentials.
  • alaskachickalaskachick Posts: 15Registered Users
    oh, and i forgot to mention that the recommendation was to dip in and squeeze a towel into the ice water, and then apply this to your hair by squeezing from the bottom - not actually showering in ice-cold water!:laughing2:
    3a/b, fine, tends to be flat on top/at roots. :sad: Growing out damaged ends:clock:.
    No-poo for over a year.

    Experimenting with CV bars, AVG/J, and FSG.

    Ultimate goal: NO PRODUCT!!!:blob8: Considering Terressentials.
  • Simply RedSimply Red Posts: 31Registered Users
    Here's an alternative point of view wrt the opening and closing of the hair cuticle (link below).

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    :glasses1:
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    tendrilly wrote: »
    Like Spiralli and turtles, when I have done a final rinse with cold water, I never noticed a difference. I had read the natural haven blog post that pedaheh mentioned and that seems to back up what we've experienced.

    Also, would this even help at all if you are going to diffuse (with warm air, thus ruffling or at least somewhat reopening the cuticle) afterwards anyway?
    All of my hair dryers have cold-shot settings so I actually end my drying with cold hair, which would close the cuticle again.

    But this is like anything else. Doesn't really matter what people say or what science says. What works for some, doesn't work for others. We are told silicones are bad for hair, but some people use them with great results. We are told vinegar won't cleanse the hair, but some people have been cleaning their hair with vinegar for years. Etc etc. We just have to experiment and find what works for our own hair.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • Simply RedSimply Red Posts: 31Registered Users
    jeepcurlygurl,

    I couldn't agree more! For me personally, the cold water technique promotes clumping, and this leads to better looking curls. However, as you say everyone is different and it is all about experimenting and doing whatever works for you.

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    Gender: Male - straight
    Hair type: 3b - long, natural redhead and proud of it!
    Cleanse: mop c-system clean shampoo - sulphate free (once a week)
    Condition: mop mixed greens moisture conditioner
    Leave-in: Joico leave-in detangler
    Styling: PPS softer wax mixed with Redken All Soft Heavy Cream as a leave-in
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    A cool water rinse does seal it up and pops my texture. Ice water seems more like a torture method than a tip.
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  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users
    A cool water rinse does seal it up and pops my texture. Ice water seems more like a torture method than a tip.

    Exactly. Ice water ? WTF .. um and when the last time Tyra rocked her NATURALLY curly hair ?

    Just use a cool water rinse before you get out the dang shower..

    Ice water... :angry7: :thumbdown:
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  • curlygal01curlygal01 Posts: 4Registered Users
    never tried it..@by the way my name is erica to :)