Cone Slip... HELP!

rochambeaurochambeau Posts: 13Registered Users
Hello, I am new to the boards. I have been CG for about a month and a half and "no-poo" for about 3 months. Yesterday I slipped up and used some abandoned Ouidad Heat and Humidity gel(which has been under my sink for months, I only use it on special occasions), which unfortunately has several types of silicones in it. How do I go about rinsing all of the cone's out without drying out my hair (which is 3b/3c)? I saw a few recipes and tips in the CG manual, like adding lemon juice to conditioner and using baking soda and warm water, but I am afraid it may dry out my hair... Would a co-wash conditioner and fully saturating my curls with warm water be enough? Thanks.

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  • rochambeaurochambeau Posts: 13Registered Users
    Also, does anyone know of any alternative gels (ones without cones) that I could use? I really do like Ouidad's heat and humidity gel, but not if it threatens my no poo regimen.
  • NaturalistaNaturalista Posts: 5,491Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    To remove cones you need at minimum a low poo. Some require sulfates to remove.

    A great cone free gel that you can get on the ground is made by Herbal Essences (Set Me Up, or Body Envy). Another cone free gel is made by LA looks and its the SPORT GEL version. Ecostyler is a gel that can also be found in drugstores. Many curlies have given these the thumbs up. My fav is the Set Me Up gel.
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  • rochambeaurochambeau Posts: 13Registered Users
    Thanks! I'll be sure to check out those gels. But I'm still upset that I spent so much on the Ouidad gel and it turned out to be defunct *sigh*. And do I really need to use a sulfate to remove the cones? I was really hoping lemon or baking soda would do the trick. Should I try just to see how my hair reacts? 3 months of no poo gone down the drain. literally.
  • NaturalistaNaturalista Posts: 5,491Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    rochambeau wrote: »
    Thanks! I'll be sure to check out those gels. But I'm still upset that I spent so much on the Ouidad gel and it turned out to be defunct *sigh*. And do I really need to use a sulfate to remove the cones? I was really hoping lemon or baking soda would do the trick. Should I try just to see how my hair reacts? 3 months of no poo gone down the drain. literally.

    You can try ACV or Baking soda and it may remove amodimethicone.. but dimethicone and cyclomethicone need sulfate power to remove. You can always use a low sulfate shampoo like the ones that they falsely advertise as no sulfate (Organix, L'oreal) and they should do the trick.
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  • jerseygirl07067jerseygirl07067 Posts: 296Registered Users
    If I'm not mistaken, I thought cyclomethicone evaporates once it has dried on the hair shaft, so it doesn't really build up per se. It can ruffle the cuticle during that evaporation though, so that's why it causes frizz for some.

    Dimethicone is somewhat harder to remove, and that's what's in the Climate Control gel.


    Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
  • DimePiece17DimePiece17 Posts: 521Registered Users
    a few things:

    cones are not the ULTIMATE awful product to put on your hair. If you like this gel and you paid for it. Use it, but use it sparingly!

    Also, using a lowpoo shampoo or something with sulfates once every so often is okay! Just make sure you follow up with a good deep condiitoning/oil treatment. To each her own? I personally stay away from mineral oil, isopropyl myristate, petroleum, and anything with chlorides. Those are the ones that make my hair all funky..cones? No so much....My sister, has beaiutiful healthy hair and she uses sulfate shampoos. She overdoses on moisturizers and conditioners, but she likes sulfates. You gotta do what's best for you and your wallet! I say, use a moisturizing shampoo of your choosing to get the cones out, if you want. You may also want to try castille soap.

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  • rochambeaurochambeau Posts: 13Registered Users
    thank you all for the advice! I think I'll make a trip to the health food store and buy a Nature's Gate shampoo. I have used them in the past and I find them to be pretty gentle on my hair.Should I dilute in water before using it? I'd still rather not use shampoo at all. I have been no-poo off and on in the past and my hair really reacts well to it (as in it grows faster, maintains curl, not as much breakage) and it has been doing even better since going cg. But I also found out that not only the Ouidad gel has cones in it, but my "deep" conditioner, AND the shampoo I used before going CG does too (dimethicone that is). I kinda had the feeling that I was doing something wrong, because my hair has been feeling kinda gunky and not as shiny as I'd like it to be. So I think today I will do a *final* shampoo with Nature's Gate (which has sodium laureth sulfate in it...eeeeck!) then do a deep condition with Aubrey's Honeysuckle Rose and finish with avocado and coconut oils. This will be hard.



    Also, are no-cone gels as effective as ones with cone's in them? I still have the ouidad gel in my hair, and to be honest, it really works wonders, style-wise at least. Although I really want to be no-poo, I don't think I'm emotionally prepared to dispose my ouidad just yet.
  • rochambeaurochambeau Posts: 13Registered Users
    To remove cones you need at minimum a low poo. Some require sulfates to remove.

    A great cone free gel that you can get on the ground is made by Herbal Essences (Set Me Up, or Body Envy). Another cone free gel is made by LA looks and its the SPORT GEL version. Ecostyler is a gel that can also be found in drugstores. Many curlies have given these the thumbs up. My fav is the Set Me Up gel.


    I'm researching the Herbal Essences gels and some of the ingredients look a little suspicious. Any thing in there that will cause build up or dryness? If so, how do you go about cleansing the remnants out?

    Ecostyler doesn't have very many ingredients, but it does look a little creepy.The tub sort of reminds me of blue magic... the stuff I used to use in middle school in an attempt to make my hair straight. That is sort of intimidating... but I know it's all about marketing. *sigh*
  • NaturalistaNaturalista Posts: 5,491Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    rochambeau wrote: »
    To remove cones you need at minimum a low poo. Some require sulfates to remove.

    A great cone free gel that you can get on the ground is made by Herbal Essences (Set Me Up, or Body Envy). Another cone free gel is made by LA looks and its the SPORT GEL version. Ecostyler is a gel that can also be found in drugstores. Many curlies have given these the thumbs up. My fav is the Set Me Up gel.


    I'm researching the Herbal Essences gels and some of the ingredients look a little suspicious. Any thing in there that will cause build up or dryness? If so, how do you go about cleansing the remnants out?

    Ecostyler doesn't have very many ingredients, but it does look a little creepy.The tub sort of reminds me of blue magic... the stuff I used to use in middle school in an attempt to make my hair straight. That is sort of intimidating... but I know it's all about marketing. *sigh*

    HE gels are CG, but like any gel there's a chance of buildup but its been generally well received my the masses here and personally I have not experienced buildup with these.

    The ecostyler should be the "clear" one and I should've ben clearer as there are many types. Its a thick gel that spreads easily and the results many says are comparable to [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink]. This gel is also CG... meaning that like HE gels they fit with a cowash regimen and that's all it takes to remove them.

    PVP/VP copolymers (if that's what's freaking you out) and the like are ingredients curlies SHOULD look for in holding agents as they help with smoothing as well as hold.

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  • curlymom3curlymom3 Posts: 5Registered Users
    rochambeau wrote: »
    Hello, I am new to the boards. I have been CG for about a month and a half and "no-poo" for about 3 months. Yesterday I slipped up and used some abandoned Ouidad Heat and Humidity gel(which has been under my sink for months, I only use it on special occasions), which unfortunately has several types of silicones in it. How do I go about rinsing all of the cone's out without drying out my hair (which is 3b/3c)? I saw a few recipes and tips in the CG manual, like adding lemon juice to conditioner and using baking soda and warm water, but I am afraid it may dry out my hair... Would a co-wash conditioner and fully saturating my curls with warm water be enough? Thanks.


    My situation is pretty much exactly the same, just wondered what you ended up doing and if it worked for you? I put in the Climate Control Gel last night and then read the label. Oops! For one application, is a Co-Wash enough? Thanks!
    CG since April, 2010
    Type- 2b/3a ??
    Experimenting with the following:
    CoWash- Suave Naturals Coconut switched with Deva NoPoo
    Conditioner-Deva OC or AOHR
    Leave-In- Either Deva OC or Deva B'Leave-In
    DT- Tried Deva HIH several times, not so crazy about it. Just tried Ouidad 12-min., will have to get back on those results
    Styling- JoiWhip,AnGel, LA Looks Curl Gel, Mister Right, Set It Free

    Haven't found any poducts I consider HG yet, but maybe my expectations are too high?
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    You can use one of the stronger low-poos (such as Burt's Bees), or a baking soda cleanse followed by a vinegar or lemon juice rinse. I'd go with the BS/ACV.

    I prefer adding the tablespoon of baking soda to my co-wash conditioner du jour, and using that to do a scrub. After rinsing that out thoroughly, I follow up with a rinse of dilute apple cider vinegar (1 tablespoon) or lemon juice (1 teaspoon) in water. It is very important to do these in that order. The baking soda is very alkaline, and the pH of your hair needs to be reset with the acidic rinse.

    One of the things I like about the EcoStyler Krystal Ice, or (its knock off) Proclaim Crystal Ice is the short ingredients list. It's also got some protein, which is good for my superfine hair. I think the humongous tub of Proclaim Crystal Ice ran me a little under $2. If your hair is coarser, you might prefer the olive oil version.

    The LA Looks clear gel is also good, although harder to find.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • curlymom3curlymom3 Posts: 5Registered Users
    You can use one of the stronger low-poos (such as Burt's Bees), or a baking soda cleanse followed by a vinegar or lemon juice rinse. I'd go with the BS/ACV.

    I prefer adding the tablespoon of baking soda to my co-wash conditioner du jour, and using that to do a scrub. After rinsing that out thoroughly, I follow up with a rinse of dilute apple cider vinegar (1 tablespoon) or lemon juice (1 teaspoon) in water. It is very important to do these in that order. The baking soda is very alkaline, and the pH of your hair needs to be reset with the acidic rinse.

    One of the things I like about the EcoStyler Krystal Ice, or (its knock off) Proclaim Crystal Ice is the short ingredients list. It's also got some protein, which is good for my superfine hair. I think the humongous tub of Proclaim Crystal Ice ran me a little under $2. If your hair is coarser, you might prefer the olive oil version.

    The LA Looks clear gel is also good, although harder to find.


    I was trying to find either a thread or step-by-step directions on how to cleanse with BS and ACV. Any ideas? Your instructions are good, but I want to make sure I do this right. I am new, sorry!!!!!
    Thanks!
    CG since April, 2010
    Type- 2b/3a ??
    Experimenting with the following:
    CoWash- Suave Naturals Coconut switched with Deva NoPoo
    Conditioner-Deva OC or AOHR
    Leave-In- Either Deva OC or Deva B'Leave-In
    DT- Tried Deva HIH several times, not so crazy about it. Just tried Ouidad 12-min., will have to get back on those results
    Styling- JoiWhip,AnGel, LA Looks Curl Gel, Mister Right, Set It Free

    Haven't found any poducts I consider HG yet, but maybe my expectations are too high?
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Really, that's pretty much it.

    Cleanse with 1 tablespoon baking soda added to your usual amount of silicone-free conditioner, as you would for a co-wash.

    Rinse thorough.

    Rinse again with a solution of 1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in 1 or 2 cups of water.

    If you feel the need, you could then do a rinse out or leave in conditioner, but people used to "condition" their hair with an ACV or lemon juice rinse before cream conditioners came out, and it worked quite well, and leaves your hair soft and manageable. Also, in summer I rarely feel the need to add a conditioner, as my hair isn't having moisture sucked out of it.

    Then, just style using your usual routine and product(s) after scrunching excess water out with your fists and/or a non-terry towel.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008

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