Rough, but not split, ends?

moodydovemoodydove Posts: 1,721Registered Users
Hey, my neighbor is on the phone with me right now, and she's complaining that her ends are pretty rough, but not split. Should she cut them, or try moisturizing like crazy for a while to see if it help? Btw, she used to be a compulsive straightener. Thanks!
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  • aubinaubin Posts: 286Registered Users
    Rough ends are what happens to me when my hair gets really really dry, especially if I've had a protein overload. She should try heavy moisturizing first before reaching for the scissors.
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  • goodbyegoodbye Posts: 79Registered Users
    I would just cut them off and baby them after that.
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  • ............ Posts: 102Registered Users
    ACV rinse...but she'll prolly just have to cut it... im just taking a guess, but her hair cuticles might be the problem... :dontknow:

  • eccentric_kurlzeccentric_kurlz Posts: 4,144Registered Users
    Old ends can start feeling that way after awhile. She can trim them off, which is likely the best thing(if it bothers her too much), or she can try doing DT's w/o protein first because if her hair is generally healthy, protein should be used in moderation.
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  • moodydovemoodydove Posts: 1,721Registered Users
    Thanks for all the replies! I directed her to this thread (recruiter at heart), and I think she either joined or lurks. =)
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    CG, clarify with Aveda Brilliant Shampoo when needed
    Dense, medium-fine strands, lowish porosity. Avoiding glycerin outside the shower.
    Cowash:Suave Coconut Conditioner.
    Leave in: YtCucumbers and EVOO
    Styling Products: Flaxseed gel, Phillip B Soft Hold Gel, KMF Upper Management Gel
    DC: Doctored GVP or Suave conditioner
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  • katblackkatblack Posts: 74Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    That's great! Friend, if you are here even just as a lurker, I would just leave your ends alone and do 1/4" trims every couple of months(2-3). I suspect that the roughness may be from infrequent deep treatment(moisture/protein balance key) and also from single strand knots.
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  • mozekemozeke Posts: 480Registered Users
    aubin wrote: »
    Rough ends are what happens to me when my hair gets really really dry, especially if I've had a protein overload. She should try heavy moisturizing first before reaching for the scissors.

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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree with deep conditioning, and she may want to change her moisturizer/products. Sometimes products don't distribute moisture to my ends, and they end up looking raggedy or I get single strand knots.
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  • SugarNutsSugarNuts Posts: 250Registered Users
    I agree. She should try the baggy method before cutting the ends. Her ends might not receive enough moisture during her hair regimen.
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Try moisturizing them. My ends are a bit rough now and I'm due for a cut on 6/19 - last one was mid-March - 14 weeks? Burdock Root butter cream works for me, as does Afroveda Curl Define, Loma Imply mixed with shea butter, or Botanical Spirits Kinky Coils pudding.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Try moisturizing them. My ends are a bit rough now and I'm due for a cut on 6/19 - last one was mid-March - 14 weeks? Burdock Root butter cream works for me, as does Afroveda Curl Define, Loma Imply mixed with shea butter, or Botanical Spirits Kinky Coils pudding.
    Off topic. How did you like the Botanical Spirits curl tamer conditioner?
  • cassadie3cassadie3 Posts: 506Registered Users
    it also just might be the texture of the coils when you stretch them--- my boing boing curls will always feel a little rough at the end when I try to pull and smooth them out. I think it's just the nature of my hair texture. I've just come to accept that my hair will never be relaxer smooth and even at the tips.
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Try moisturizing them. My ends are a bit rough now and I'm due for a cut on 6/19 - last one was mid-March - 14 weeks? Burdock Root butter cream works for me, as does Afroveda Curl Define, Loma Imply mixed with shea butter, or Botanical Spirits Kinky Coils pudding.
    Off topic. How did you like the Botanical Spirits curl tamer conditioner?
    I love everything about it except the smell. It's a fabulous deep conditioner but the smell of acetic acid lingers on my hair. I contacted Redgine and she said she had dialed it down with lemongrass, so I bought another trial size. We shall see.

    I also bought the soft curls cream. Also the avocado coconut milk butter as the first ingredient is slippery elm. The soft curls cream works on my wet or dry hair. Milk butter is nice too -- a little waxier than burdock root butter cream.
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  • moodydovemoodydove Posts: 1,721Registered Users
    cassadie3 wrote: »
    it also just might be the texture of the coils when you stretch them--- my boing boing curls will always feel a little rough at the end when I try to pull and smooth them out. I think it's just the nature of my hair texture. I've just come to accept that my hair will never be relaxer smooth and even at the tips.

    Her hair is actually more wavy than anything (I think her hair is 2c with 3a potential, now that she's stopped the flat ironing), but a lot of the ladies on the 4a board have conquered dryness. But I it can be the same with waves, right? The never feeling perfectly smoothing.
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    DC: Doctored GVP or Suave conditioner
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Try moisturizing them. My ends are a bit rough now and I'm due for a cut on 6/19 - last one was mid-March - 14 weeks? Burdock Root butter cream works for me, as does Afroveda Curl Define, Loma Imply mixed with shea butter, or Botanical Spirits Kinky Coils pudding.
    Off topic. How did you like the Botanical Spirits curl tamer conditioner?
    I love everything about it except the smell. It's a fabulous deep conditioner but the smell of acetic acid lingers on my hair. I contacted Redgine and she said she had dialed it down with lemongrass, so I bought another trial size. We shall see.

    I also bought the soft curls cream. Also the avocado coconut milk butter as the first ingredient is slippery elm. The soft curls cream works on my wet or dry hair. Milk butter is nice too -- a little waxier than burdock root butter cream.
    Thank you! I e-mailed her about replacing the beeswax with a vegan wax in the milk butter. She said she has gotten numerous requests and she will change it in future batches or leave it out altogether. Sound like she should leave it out since it is waxy.
  • dmarie21dmarie21 Posts: 213Registered Users
    I have this same issue. Last night I tried putting Giovanni Direct LI on the rough-feeling ends and it smoothed them out completely. Perhaps moisture is the key?
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Off topic. How did you like the Botanical Spirits curl tamer conditioner?
    I love everything about it except the smell. It's a fabulous deep conditioner but the smell of acetic acid lingers on my hair. I contacted Redgine and she said she had dialed it down with lemongrass, so I bought another trial size. We shall see.

    I also bought the soft curls cream. Also the avocado coconut milk butter as the first ingredient is slippery elm. The soft curls cream works on my wet or dry hair. Milk butter is nice too -- a little waxier than burdock root butter cream.
    Thank you! I e-mailed her about replacing the beeswax with a vegan wax in the milk butter. She said she has gotten numerous requests and she will change it in future batches or leave it out altogether. Sound like she should leave it out since it is waxy.
    I love the waxiness of it! I hope she doesn't change it.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I love everything about it except the smell. It's a fabulous deep conditioner but the smell of acetic acid lingers on my hair. I contacted Redgine and she said she had dialed it down with lemongrass, so I bought another trial size. We shall see.

    I also bought the soft curls cream. Also the avocado coconut milk butter as the first ingredient is slippery elm. The soft curls cream works on my wet or dry hair. Milk butter is nice too -- a little waxier than burdock root butter cream.
    Thank you! I e-mailed her about replacing the beeswax with a vegan wax in the milk butter. She said she has gotten numerous requests and she will change it in future batches or leave it out altogether. Sound like she should leave it out since it is waxy.
    I love the waxiness of it! I hope she doesn't change it.
    she said a lot people have asked her to change to another vegan friendly wax and she will do so in about 2 months or so. Maybe u can ask her to keep the original formula. Peronally, I'm allergic to beeswax.
  • aubinaubin Posts: 286Registered Users
    dmarie21 wrote: »
    I have this same issue. Last night I tried putting Giovanni Direct LI on the rough-feeling ends and it smoothed them out completely. Perhaps moisture is the key?

    Giovanni Direct has protein, so it's probably the protein in that product that smoothed out your hair.
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  • pretebrowneyespretebrowneyes Posts: 248Registered Users
    I think I have this problem. My ends feel rough, almost knotty...and they look bushy, not curly. I've been moisturizing like crazy with butters, oils, conditioners...nothing's really helped. I'm trying to retain length and not trim until January...but I'm worried that it's not really working the way I planned. I've been applying ayurvedic pastes on the regular and I DC afterward. What am I doing wrong? I've been trying to avoid a trim....but I don't think I can hold out much longer. Any other advice? Does baggying on a consistent basis really work for repairing rough ends? I may take a picture this week and post it. Maybe what I'm thinking are rough ends are actually split ends.
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  • rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
    ^^ Same here. But i think mine was a moisture problem, because i've recently started to up my moisturizing and sealing and my ends are looking better. :)
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  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I think I have this problem. My ends feel rough, almost knotty...and they look bushy, not curly. I've been moisturizing like crazy with butters, oils, conditioners...nothing's really helped. I'm trying to retain length and not trim until January...but I'm worried that it's not really working the way I planned. I've been applying ayurvedic pastes on the regular and I DC afterward. What am I doing wrong? I've been trying to avoid a trim....but I don't think I can hold out much longer. Any other advice? Does baggying on a consistent basis really work for repairing rough ends? I may take a picture this week and post it. Maybe what I'm thinking are rough ends are actually split ends.

    I have a similar bushy patch too. In my case I know it's some kind of damage. I'm just going to trim it out slowly and keep it moisturized so I don't lose much length. I did several self trims in that area already and it's looking better.

    I never tried bagging so I can't answer that question but sealing on a regular basis did turn my ends around dramatically.
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  • pretebrowneyespretebrowneyes Posts: 248Registered Users
    I think I have this problem. My ends feel rough, almost knotty...and they look bushy, not curly. I've been moisturizing like crazy with butters, oils, conditioners...nothing's really helped. I'm trying to retain length and not trim until January...but I'm worried that it's not really working the way I planned. I've been applying ayurvedic pastes on the regular and I DC afterward. What am I doing wrong? I've been trying to avoid a trim....but I don't think I can hold out much longer. Any other advice? Does baggying on a consistent basis really work for repairing rough ends? I may take a picture this week and post it. Maybe what I'm thinking are rough ends are actually split ends.

    I have a similar bushy patch too. In my case I know it's some kind of damage. I'm just going to trim it out slowly and keep it moisturized so I don't lose much length. I did several self trims in that area already and it's looking better.

    I never tried bagging so I can't answer that question but sealing on a regular basis did turn my ends around dramatically.

    It's all of my ends. I haven't had a perm since Jan 09 and I'm pretty sure I've trimmed it all off by now.

    Maybe that's what it is...relaxer still wrecking havoc in my life. I've been moisturizing and sealing like crazy...so I should see some change. I wasn't planning on trimming until January but I think I need a little nip :(
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  • aishamodelaishamodel Posts: 136Registered Users
    I don't think it's necessary to reach for the scissors. I mean, I think her ends just need a little more concentration. This happened to me a few months ago. I started focussing more on the ends when using moisture products, and condishs, and I noticed a big change. If the ends are dry why cut them? They are just dry not damaged. Ends are prone to dryness. Also, I tried less manipulation on my ends and protective styling, so it can lock in the moisture. Some water, moisterizing lotion or shea, and seal it in with jojoba and she should be ok. Just keep at it, and try Deep condish twice a week, focusing on the ends.
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  • KeiLaniKoilsKeiLaniKoils Posts: 439Registered Users
    My ends were doing really well until yesturday -__-''
    I wore my hair in an out style: it's called the Cinna-Bun style on youtube-- and it drizzled yesturday. I had Shea Moisture Leave In and sealed with Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal oil. But after that rain, my hair felt hard, rough and dry. So for now I have conditioner (Aussie Moist) with a plastic cap on. I'm really prone to single strand knots, so after I moisturize I was gonna do twists and snipe the ends each one individually

    I know this is off topic but kinda still in the same discussion. If anyone can offer suggestions or advice, thanks
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  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users Curl Neophyte

    I have a similar bushy patch too. In my case I know it's some kind of damage. I'm just going to trim it out slowly and keep it moisturized so I don't lose much length. I did several self trims in that area already and it's looking better.

    I never tried bagging so I can't answer that question but sealing on a regular basis did turn my ends around dramatically.

    It's all of my ends. I haven't had a perm since Jan 09 and I'm pretty sure I've trimmed it all off by now.

    Maybe that's what it is...relaxer still wrecking havoc in my life. I've been moisturizing and sealing like crazy...so I should see some change. I wasn't planning on trimming until January but I think I need a little nip :(

    It may be but I just read this from KimmayTube's channel.
    If you have bushy ends, the reason is because your cuticles are lifted. Now that I have a control and an understanding of pH balance, I no longer have that problem when twisting/braiding my hair etc. When I braid or twist my hair and apply my acidic mixture to it, the ends of my hair are smooth, not bushy and flared out like a broom. I kind of stumbled upon this when I started paying more attention to the pH of the products I add to my hair.

    Always keep in mind that the ends of your hair is the OLDEST part. They will dry out the fastest and therefore the cuticles must be encouraged to remain closed.
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