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Overconditioned? How do I tell? Help please!

TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
Hi Aus Curlies,

I thought here would be a good place to post this since you can tell me what products are available here if I need to get something special...

I've been CG for about a year and I have very porous hair that has always needed huge moisture and loved glycerin until recently. When the dewpoint dropped and the seasons changed I started to get major frizz and lost my clumpage, so I've got stringy curls and kinky frizz on the crown. SO I cut out the glycerin. Still frizzy. I don't usually use gel but a humectant free gel didn't help either. I also don't usually use protein, so tried that and it helped a little bit, but my curls are feeling like they've had about as much protein as they can handle. Soooo

It it possible I'm over-conditioned? How can I tell? If so what do I do about it? I did try a clarifying wash with a sulphate free poo but I'm not sure if that helped much or not. It's all a bit embarassing atm since I am selling CG friendly hair products and my curls have decided to FRIZZ of all things :(

What do you think? TIA

TassieAnge
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3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • curlywurlygurlycurlywurlygurly Posts: 1,180Registered Users
    hi Tassie and welcome,

    Firstly what is your hair feeling like? and what products are you using??
    Season changes can cause havoc with hair routines.. but as you said you've tried minimizing glycerin.

    it could be build up or over-conditioned or a number of things.. have you tried doing a ACV (apple cider vinegar) rinse? Perhaps give that a go a see how your hair feels after.

    Also out of interest what cg products do you sell??

    HTH
    2 something Australian :toothy4:

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    Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    I make all my own condish etc. Here is a link if you'd like to have a look. I'm basically just making to order for friends and family atm but expanding gradually.

    My hair feels a bit weird. The problem strands on top are bumpy and break easily. The rest feels soft but stringy and quite moisturized; I'd say dry feeling in the sense that it doesn't feel glossy and sproingy and I've lost a lot of curl lately. However, it doesn't feel dry in the proper sense of the word. More rough than dry. It's not coarse as such, and seems to have reacted okay to a hit of hydrolized milk protein and a yoghurt treatment (which gave back some curl.

    Normally I use the Rich conditioner from my range which is heavy on the olive oil and glycerin (which I've cut out of the mix for now). I don't rinse much out at all and keep it almost all in as a leave-in, then plop and air dry. I haven't needed gel over the summer at all.

    So I'm undecided really. I think I'll try a clarifying wash and switching to the Fine Curl condish, or just rinsing out and using gel, unless it sounds like a lack of protein, in which case I'll reformulate and add some protein to the mix.

    WDYT?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • FeralcurlsFeralcurls Posts: 408Registered Users
    I find protein does help when my hair feels like that. I also do a clarifying poo as well. Not sure if it is conditioner that makes it go like that though. It feels like that after using some low poos and after I used Henna.
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    Big thanks. I tried a clarifying poo and acv rinse this morning and then ended up having to wear a hat :sad9:. Super soft and fluffy. Seems likely that it's a protein issue then. I've redone my hair with my usual cowash, rinsed out then put some leave-in on the crown, used a bit more gel and am waiting and seeing.

    Will pump up the protein and see what happens.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • curlywurlygurlycurlywurlygurly Posts: 1,180Registered Users
    Sounds to me like it's you might be overconditioned, soft and fluffy yet stringy. Protein will help counterbalance. let us know how you go.

    you're products look good :) I'd love to know the ingredients though :D
    2 something Australian :toothy4:

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    pw:aussie

    Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    Had some success today with rinsing out most of the condish and using more gel.

    Ingredients, let's see...are pretty basic really...

    Water, Olive Oil, Vegetable Glycerin, Colza, Cetearyl Alcohol, [FONT=Verdana, serif]Benzyl Alcohol, Benzoic Acid, Sorbic Acid, Citric Acid, Parfum[/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, serif]Not necessarily in that order and in various tweaked combos.
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    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • curlywurlygurlycurlywurlygurly Posts: 1,180Registered Users
    awesome thanks :D
    2 something Australian :toothy4:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlywurlygurly%2F" class="Popup
    pw:aussie

    Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    No worries.

    Had another good curl day today by rinsing out the co and using a gel I made last night using water, gelatine, hydrolized oats, olive esters and citric acid. Interesting mix but worked really really well. Still a bit frizzy, waiting on a delivery with milk protein in it. I'll do a coconut milk treatment as sooon as time allows :)

    Thanks for all your help ladies!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    This is driving me crazy. I am still fighting frizz and I've tried everything I can come up with off the forum. Different formulations of condish, leave-ins, gels, different ways of cowashing, nothing is making any difference at all.

    Tomorrow I am having a cut with my fave curly stylist, hoping that the whole thing might boil down to needing a good trim. Clutching at straws (which is what my canopy is doing a good impression of still). AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHH.

    What's going on here, I have no idea.

    Thoughts anyone?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • FeralcurlsFeralcurls Posts: 408Registered Users
    Have you had a lot of new growth lately? That does tend to lead to some frizz.

    Maybe you need to use some styling products? I know you like natural stuff so maybe try playing with a little bit of oil or aloe vera gel. Have you tried personal lube? Sometimes you just have to squash the frizz!!

    What are you willing to try?
  • curlywurlygurlycurlywurlygurly Posts: 1,180Registered Users
    I think you have to determine whether you have excessive frizz or just a little bit of frizz. I still frizz, just less then I use to and I can live with that. You may find that the longer ur cg (or at least treating your hair well) it will diminish, it takes time sometimes.
    2 something Australian :toothy4:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlywurlygurly%2F" class="Popup
    pw:aussie

    Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    Yes, I think zero frizz is a bit unrealistic. I have been cg for over a year now. Maybe it's not excessive, but back in April my husband commented on it, so I figured if it was a big enough change for a bloke to tell, it was significant. Haha.

    Still hopeful that when things calm down after this trim, we'll be back in the realms of frizz I can live with.

    Trying some new products I picked up at the hairdresser as well. That's always fun and interesting...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • a curly qa curly q Posts: 248Registered Users
    Hi TassieAnge,

    Just thought I'd commiserate here, I was just about to post about the same conditions happening to my hair, and I feel like I've tried just about everything too and still have the canopy frizz.
    I find that this happens to me every Winter, because the humidity in Summer pumps up my hair while the colder months drag it down and give my frizz on the crown. I'm on the verge of just waiting for Summer to roll around again.

    Any luck since your last post?
    2b, medium, lots of them
    CG: 21 Apr 08, Mod CG: 24 Aug 08
    My blog: Can't Stop Thinking About Hair
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    :toothy7:My curly mojo has returned.

    It seems I just needed a really good trim, after all that. Interesting. I got my curls trimmed on Thursday last week, and now I'm basically back to minimal frizz, conditioner only (containing humectants). I even managed third day hair yesterday, just a bit of FSG in the morning to calm it all down and fabulous hair all day. Of all the possible solutions, I wish I'd realised sooner.

    Might be worth considering for you too? Oh, and how are the shampoo bars working out for you?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • a curly qa curly q Posts: 248Registered Users
    Yay! That's good news.
    I actually had a trim last week, but it hasn't seemed to make a difference.
    But now you mention the shampoo bars, they were working really well for me for a while, I almost needed no product. Then for some reason I decided to cut back to once a week and co-wash the rest of the time.
    Maybe the trick is to up my usage of them again? My hair has been very soft and fluffy lately, it probably is overconditioning, but I just don't have the heart to take away the moisture :)
    2b, medium, lots of them
    CG: 21 Apr 08, Mod CG: 24 Aug 08
    My blog: Can't Stop Thinking About Hair
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    Interesting. Were you using the bar then conditioning? Or just the bar? I don't think I could cope without the moisture either, it's hard to imagine not needing it.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • a curly qa curly q Posts: 248Registered Users
    Yes I was using the bar then conditioning, even with what they say about the ACV rinse, I don't think I could do it, especially if I'm using product. Maybe one day when I have no where to go I'll try it out.

    Anyway, I'm feeling a bit special today because I've gone back to using the shampoo bar and conditioning, and my hair feels just as soft. But guess what? I combed my hair differently this morning while conditioning and just before putting on product:
    I combed it away from the hair line, instead of down from the centre part. Seems to have solved my frizz issue :D
    It seems my hair just doesn't like to be manipulated that way. Of all the things to have tried haha.
    2b, medium, lots of them
    CG: 21 Apr 08, Mod CG: 24 Aug 08
    My blog: Can't Stop Thinking About Hair
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    Isn't it amazing how much difference something so simple can make?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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  • a curly qa curly q Posts: 248Registered Users
    Yup! My hair has stayed good, and 2nd day hair again, which is nice :)
    2b, medium, lots of them
    CG: 21 Apr 08, Mod CG: 24 Aug 08
    My blog: Can't Stop Thinking About Hair
  • TassieAngeTassieAnge Posts: 116Registered Users
    That's fantastic. Gotta love second day hair.

    I am experimenting with the Spritz and Condish method as of yesterday. Hopefully it will help with my mega porosity issues, which are the cause of the winter frizz debacle I think. So far so good, drying time was hugely reduced and there was a little less frizz today. Working hard towards being able to cut the gel out again.
    Roll on the humidity I say!!!!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    3a, low porosity, protein sensitive, medium texture (with random coarse strands), growing out a pixie cut

    Located in Tasmania, Australia



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