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Skincare impact of Haircare

Ever since I noticed that the squalane in Elucence was flaring my rosacea and causing breakouts (squalane is good stuff...just a rosacea trigger for many so not something to avoid unless (A) have rosacea and (B) breaking out and trying to figure out the trigger), I've been paying attention to haircare and its impact on my skincare routine.

I actually have changed my skincare routine in reaction to my haircare one.

For one, I started washing my face as one of my last steps in the shower, after applying conditioner. I pin my hair up with a large cat's claw and am careful not to rinse conditioner onto my face when I rinse it after washing my face. I also wash my back after conditioning to remove any pore-cloggers and avoid bacne (back-acne) unless I'm using a totally strict-CG conditioner.

I've also noticed many pore-clogging ingredients in conditioners in particular, one factor that steered me in that direction.

What's your facial skincare routine? How has it changed based on your haircare?

Me:

Skintype: normal-to-dry, breakout-prone, rosacea
Hairtype: porous, normal-to-dry, 2b/3a

Routine: Wash face/do hair at night only. Cleanser is used after conditioning.

Cleanser: St Ives Apricot Foaming Facial Cleanser (old formula, still available in Canada, have stockpile)
Moisturizer: Metrocream (Rx for rosacea)
Treatment: Finacea (Rx for rosacea)

I also wash my back after rinsing out my conditioner.

Body wash: Dove or Aveeno bodywashes (never Olay :x ...bad breakouts)

Anyone else?

Skintype:
Hairtype:

Routine:

Cleanser:
Moisturizer:
Treatment:
Other:

Bodywash:
2b w/ some 3a
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  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    I don't have roseaca but can get breakouts around my hairline and on my back from products.

    Skin Type: Dry, sensitive, not prone to spots at all. More to dryness. (but oily t-zone round nose)
    Hair Type: Fine, quite porous, suffers buildup badly. 3b

    Face cleanser: Vichy Sensitive Skin Cleanser (there's so many, it's the one in the clear bottle, clear liquid.)
    Face moisturiser: Vichy Oligo 25 for dry skin (morning) Vichy Thermal Fix (night)
    Hand Cream: Palmers Cocoa Butter
    Body Cream: Palmers Cocoa Butter Firming Lotion
    Body Wash: Palmolive Honey and Milk, or Original Source (any)

    Routine:
    Shower, using body wash. Don't get ANY water on face if it can be helped.
    Brush teeth.
    Clean face with Vichy cleanser, using cotton pads, which doesn't need to be washed off with water.
    Appy Vichy moisturiser (depending on night or day).
    Wash hands, then fix hair (in morning).
    Apply body moisturiser.
    Apply handcream last so it doesnt soak into anything else whilst it soaks in.

    Notice how I never wash my face with water - ever. Obviouslly its hard to avoid getting it splashed on in the shower, especially when washing my hair, but I've found its really stopped my skin drying out and getting spots.

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • allie95allie95 Posts: 74Registered Users
    I am so glad you started this thread because skin care has been one of my biggest hair care frustrations. Basically I have just come to the conclusion that I will never have a completely smooth back or completely unclogged pores on my cheeks where my hair touches. I have had some luck with Paula's Choice BHA but I can only apply it at night since I haven't found a way to get my hair out of the way when it's wet without causing frizz. Essentially there is no way to air dry without getting some product on my face/back, so the best I can do is try to find things with as little of the bad ingredients as possible.

    I refer to the sage "safe" list for all products -

    www.zerozits.com/Articles/acnedetect.htm#inglist

    using this list, I've figured out that my acne is made worse by all suave conditioners (potassium chloride), recoil, several jessicurl products, and a bunch of other stuff I would like to use. The worst is the clogged pores/pimples on the skin below and under my ears. YUCK. Of course, it is very hard to isolate exactly what's causing the breakouts, so I may just be crazy and it may not be these products, but I don't think the sage list is wrong.

    Skintype: oily, acne prone.
    Hairtype: 2c, prone to breakage. my biggest problem is broken pieces (new hairs?) that constantly stand up and don't look like they belong with the rest of the hair on my crown.

    Routine: Wash in the morning in the shower and at night at the sink. I haven't tried washing my face after rinsing my conditioner because I am just going to put leave-in/other products in afterward and those seem just as bad! however, I do rinse my back well after rinsing conditioner and keep my hair upside down until I put a shirt or robe on.

    Cleanser: Aveeno Ultra-Calming in the morning. Olive oil (oil cleansing method) with added stuff to make it more rinsable (bought from theherbarie.com, can't remember the name right now). Nivea eye makeup remover. Sometimes gentle toner by Neutrogena.
    Moisturizer: Cetaphil SPF
    Treatment: paula's choice bha gel or liquid a few times a week. clean and clear persagel as needed.

    Bodywash: I have spent years trying to find good sulfate-free cleansers that do not make my bacne worse and do not make me itchy in the winter(avalon organics is great). but lately I have been using dove bar soap for sensitive skin with pretty good results. go figure.
    2c who can't seem to find enough moisture! Trying to figure this out once and for all 7 years after going CG!
  • one way streetone way street Posts: 772Registered Users
    Skintype: Combination ance prone, mostly blackheads. zits come with my monthly cylce. (oily forehead and nose, normal cheeks)
    Hairtype: 3A-2C A little dryer than most 3A's

    Routine: co-wash, condition, wash face after shower while my hair is plopping. I normally don't get bacne, but in the summer when I sweat more, I get very mild cases.

    Cleanser: OCM (castor and jojoba)
    Moisturizer: Cetaphil for dry skin (night) & Aveeno for sunscreen (day)
    Treatment: Differin (Rx)
    Other: Rare Minerals poweder sample (like bare minerals, but improves complextion, and it's used at night. I really like it)

    Bodywash: Dove
    mod. CG 2C-3A/M/iii
    Fotki album and journal updated: 10/01/07
    password: springlet

    Currently: Trying to stop straightening so much. Using Elucence conditioner and whatever works for me.
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    Skintype: Dry & Sensitive (bout of rosacea in the past, controlled w/ Metrocream & never returned)

    Hairtype: 3B, very dry, fine, somewhat porous, but build-up not a prob, unles I use c-pen-oxane

    Routine: Hair: modified CG = semi-poos only (ShiKai, ABBA, JC) Wash at night, rarely diffuse. Skin: wash at night, moisturizing toner in the a.m. Addn'l app's of eye cream during day in winter.

    Cleanser: Philosophy Purity (non-suds, creamy, but not too rich). But my fave is still Olay cleansing cream (very glycerin-heavy & gentle)

    Moisturizer:
    Day: Olay Complete cream or Body Shop Kinetin Day cream (both have SPF 15, which I wear every day, regardless of season or climate; I prefer zinc or titanium dioxide as they are better UV blockers & have soothing properties)

    Night: rotation of,

    Laura Mercier Night Nutrition
    Philosphy Hope in a Jar
    MyChelle Deep Repair Cream

    Treatment:

    Kinetin Eye cream
    Peptide serums (anti-aging)

    Other:

    Bodywash: Olay or Dove deep moisture
    3B, bra-strap length
    laidback, very-modified CGer
    HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
  • spacedcowgirlspacedcowgirl Posts: 111Registered Users
    Skintype: Oily and sensitive. Dry flaky patches on eyelids and sometimes elsewhere. Acne-prone. I have more or less conquered blackheads using BHA and benzoyl peroxide and never had a big problem with whiteheads, but those big red painful zits below the surface that you can't squeeze are the bane of my existence and I almost always have one or several. I pick at them way too much and I hate my skin.

    Hairtype: 2b/2c/3a, mostly wavy and coarse.

    Routine: Used to be, I would wash my body and face, then at the very end of my shower rinse out condish upside down and apply products. Got a terrible breakout which I believe was from this. So now I rinse out condish and apply products, put hair up in plopping towel and then wash my face while trying not to get the towel wet. I have only been doing this for a couple weeks so it's hard to say if it's working. My current breakout seems to be going away.

    Cleanser: For the past 2 days I have been trying the oil cleansing method (OCM). But for probably literally years before that I used Paula's Choice cleansers (my skin has been good compared to before since starting on her products, but that's not really saying much). I plan to try OCM for a month to really see it through and see if it is good or a disaster for me. Right now I use OCM at night in the shower and "wash" (like co-washing my face) with Paula's Choice Skin Balancing Carbon Mask in the morning because I don't want to get oil all over my bathroom.

    Moisturizer: Any kind of sunscreen I can find that is not too greasy. (And there is really no non-greasy sunscreen that doesn't contain irritating ingredients or alcohol or stuff that makes me break out, so basically I use icky greasy sunscreen. :x ) Around my eyes, Paula's Choice Oil-Free Moisture Gel. I recently started using her Skin Recovery Moisturizer (very heavy moisturizer) instead because nothing seems to be cutting through the dry, irritated flakes on my eyelids. Recently added a little of an oil blend similar to my cleansing oil in the a.m. because I had the oils on hand, my skin is getting dry in the cold weather, and my makeup is drying out my skin a little.

    Treatment: I use BHA and benzoyl peroxide at night, and BHA and Paula's Choice Super Antioxidant Concentrate in the morning. I try to always use sunscreen of some kind.

    Other: Just started using BareMinerals makeup.

    Bodywash: Johnson's Baby Wash. I became skeptical of "grown-up" body washes when I felt like the Dove I was using was drying my skin more than the Softsoap brand, even though it looked more moisture-rich. It looked to me like the Dove had a harsher surfactant so I switched to the baby wash which I believe is all coco betaine. It seems to be working fine, feels less drying than the "regular" body washes, or it could be all in my head. You never know.

    If I keep breaking out, I will probably go back to pooing and blow-drying and all that stuff. I can't deal with my face looking so crappy, and my routine is already much more time-consuming than it was when I wore my hair straight, so having to put any more effort than I am now into keeping condish/products off my face would be the straw that broke the camel's back. But I do think it's getting under control since I started washing my face after rinsing my hair, so I am optimistic.

    Looking at this, I have become such a PJ all around since starting CG!! For years I used a few Paula's Choice products (cleanser, BHA, benzoyl peroxide, and sunscreen) and either wore no makeup or maybe a little powder. I used whatever Suave or VO5 shampoo and condish my husband and I liked the smell of most, a little silicone serum, and Softsoap body wash. Now I'm placing CurlMart orders and I can't go to the store without cruising the hair-care aisle. I go to Ulta for hair stuff and come out with makeup too. DH recently told me he added a "health and beauty" category to our household budget spreadsheet. We were married more than 8 years before this became necessary. Poor man. :lol: Oh well.

    Edited to add, it may sound stupid to try and use OCM when I think it's conditioner that made me break out in the first place. But I do think there are oils that do clog pores and oils that don't, and I'm hoping I selected non-clogging stuff for my face whereas my condishes and products probably have clogging stuff in them. At least that's my hope...
    2b/2c/3a
    Back on CG (OK, I'm a little indecisive).
    pw: curls
    Currently using: Whole Foods 365 Herbal Mint Conditioner (co-wash), MOP Mixed Greens Conditioner, Paul Mitchell Lite Detangler, CK, ISO Bouncy Creme. Gave up on plopping due to tangles/"stickiness" and now I just comb through products and diffuse. It looks basically as good and dries a lot faster (I wasn't getting good clumps from plopping anyway). Still wish I were a lot curlier!
  • JuicyTubeJuicyTube Posts: 2,369Registered Users
    I haven't really changed since I go to a doctor for skin but I will answer your questions. :]

    Skintype: sensitive, slightly oily forehead "T zone" acne prone
    Hairtype: thick, pretty coarse, 3a/b botticelli but turn ringlety further down

    Routine: exfoliate twice a week, cleanse every day that I don't exfoliate

    Cleanser: currently Olay for sensitive skin
    Moisturizer: cetaphil sunscreen moisturizer
    Treatment: differin and clindagel (for acne)
    Other: st ives apricot scrub for sensitive skin

    Bodywash: pretty much anything..
    3b-3c CG
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    Oooo. I forgot the exfoliating! Right. I still love St Ives Apricot for that, esp the sensitive version. AHA's are a no-no, & will trigger rosacea symptoms. But beta's are OK, ie, very mild salicylic or glycolic acids.
    3B, bra-strap length
    laidback, very-modified CGer
    HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
  • Leilani42Leilani42 Posts: 200Registered Users
    Skin Type: normal/oily, sensitive, breakout prone (I usually have a few blemishes at any given time)

    Hair Type: 3A, fine, normal/dry

    Hair Regimen: very variable. Currently, I use Elucence MBS and MBC, and one of any number of stylers: HEBE, HETT, [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/AG-Recoil-p-24.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=ag-hair-cosmetics-recoil-curl-activator]re:coil[/buylink], John Frieda Frizz Ease Dream Curls spray.

    Skin Regimen: exfoliate once or twice a week, wash twice every day, acne treatment, moisturize. Try not to touch... I'm bad at not messing with my face (and my hair, for that matter... I'm just a toucher. :P)

    Cleanser: Cetaphil for Normal to Oily Skin
    Moisturizer: Cetaphil lotion
    Treatment: Neutrogena On The Spot Benzoyl Peroxide cream
    Other: St. Ives Apricot Scrub for Sensitive Skin
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I haven't noticed any correlation between hair products and breakouts. Mostly it seems to be... umm... biological. Certain time every month, my face goes to crap.
    2c/3a-M-i
    modified CG since July 2004.
    searching for products that work...
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Skintype: Oily, sensitive, rosacean. (but I can use squalene for some reason) Hormonal acne sometimes
    Hairtype. Dry coarse 3b, normal scalp in winter, oily scalp in summer

    Routine: Shower and do all of the co-wash conditioning bit. I do my day face while my hair is plopped.

    Cleanser Aveeno Ultra-Calming Foaming Cleanser
    Blackhead treatment Paula's Choice 2% BHA liquid. It also seems to help soothe sensitvity.
    Serum/Moisturizer Elizabeth Arden Ceramide Advanced Time Complex Face Capsules
    Sunscreen Anthelios XL 50+

    Bodywash Shikai Amber/Sandalwood

    Green Cream retinol at night
    Peter Thomas Roth Therapeutic Sulfur masque once or twice a week in the evenings. It helps me a lot with facial redness.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • B-wavyB-wavy Posts: 1,733Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Great thread! Trying to find hair products that work for me is hard enough, but when I factor in the rosacea and sensitive skin and the reactions I get from hair products, it's enough to make me want to shave my head sometimes! :P

    Skintype: Combination normal-to-oily, mild rosacea, extreme sensitivity

    Hairtype: 2B, medium to coarse, porous, prone to dryness

    Routine: Wash/condition hair in mornings in the shower. After rinsing out almost all of the conditioner, I use a wet washcloth (no soap or body wash) to remove any conditioner residue and "exfoliate" all over. I wash my face after showering, apply moisturizer & makeup, then rewet my hair at the sink & apply gel, plop, etc., taking care not to let any hair products touch my face.

    Cleanser: Noxzema...believe it or not. I know this is supposed to be "bad" for rosacea, but it's one of the few things I've found that doesn't aggravate my skin.

    Moisturizer: Cetaphil, applied very sparingly.

    Treatment: ACV toner. See CanItBeChristine's Apple Cider Vinegar thread. This has done amazing things for my skin.

    Other: I always keep my hair off my face and put it in a ponytail at night so I'm not sleeping on it.

    Bodywash: I use Dove unscented bar soap in the, uh, sweat-gland areas only. And I use Burt's Bees Baby Bee lotion for sensitive skin as my body lotion.
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    allie95, a really good pore-cloggers list can be found at /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.betterhealthyskin.com%2Fkba_lets_talk_cosmetics.aspx" class="Popup but keep in mind that rosacea triggers, seb dermatitis triggers, etc are not represented with red flags since this is a more straightforward listing.
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Skintype: Face is combo, large pores, prone to blackheads, certain products trigger eczema around eyes & cheek area. Body, dry skin. Hands, major eczema. Overall aging!

    Hairtype: 3a/b, fine, prone to overconditioning while remaining brittle (breaks easily).

    Scalp: Maybe dry, doesn't usually flake, dead white in color (shouldn't it be pink?)

    Allergies: "Chemical" sunscreen ingredients such as benzophenone, cinnamates, Oxybenzone, PABA

    Routine:
    AM: Olay age defying BH cream first thing, later aloe then SolBarShield zinc/titanium sunscreen with mineral makeup

    PM: Wash face with Cerave cleanser before exercise. After exercise cleanse with mix of oils, then Olay BHA or Neutrogena Blackhead. Cowash hair (shampoo once weekly followed by DT). Avoid hair & skin products with sunscreen agents listed above (and they're in A LOT of stuff).

    Body exfoliant 1-2x week, scrub with almonds, salts & sugars & coconut oil.

    After shower: Paula's Choice BHA on face, sometimes follow w/ vit C serum. Later in evening retinol product, then Neutrogena visibly firm (skin currently rejecting this). Hair, either Curl Junkie leavein + CurlKeeper or jojoba oil + Fairy Tales Moisturizing gel, blot & diffuse to half dry.

    Shea-aloe for hands & feet, also Gold Bond Ultimate.
    Moisturizer for body: Alba Emollient, Cerave moisturizer, jojoba oil

    QUESTION: Does anyone else break out (face) on the side they sleep on?! I tested this by switching sides and sure enough now the other side of my face is breaking out. I'm at a loss with this. Maybe apply no product before sleep? I use a clean pillowcase (modal satin weave) and my hair is off my face.
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • spacedcowgirlspacedcowgirl Posts: 111Registered Users
    laurabeth33--thanks for that list! I hadn't seen it before. Should shed a lot of light on why certain things aggravate my acne.
    2b/2c/3a
    Back on CG (OK, I'm a little indecisive).
    pw: curls
    Currently using: Whole Foods 365 Herbal Mint Conditioner (co-wash), MOP Mixed Greens Conditioner, Paul Mitchell Lite Detangler, CK, ISO Bouncy Creme. Gave up on plopping due to tangles/"stickiness" and now I just comb through products and diffuse. It looks basically as good and dries a lot faster (I wasn't getting good clumps from plopping anyway). Still wish I were a lot curlier!
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    [quote="Castella
    QUESTION: Does anyone else break out (face) on the side they sleep on?! I tested this by switching sides and sure enough now the other side of my face is breaking out. I'm at a loss with this. Maybe apply no product before sleep? I use a clean pillowcase (modal satin weave) and my hair is off my face.[/quote]

    OK, Castella, that's weird. It's just you. :lol: Kidding. So my only thought is that perhaps it's the modal? It's a wonderful buttery soft fabric, but it's kind of similar to rayon in that it doesn't really breath all that well, and perhaps your skin is screaming to let you know. I don't like satin pillowcases b'coz they don't breath either. I find it worth it to get actual silk, which does.
    3B, bra-strap length
    laidback, very-modified CGer
    HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
  • lazykerrilazykerri Posts: 650Registered Users
    Me:

    Skintype: combination, breakout-prone, rosacea
    Hairtype: porous, normal with oily scalp, 3a/2c (I think)

    Routine: Wash hair at night only. Cleanser is used only to remove makeup. Rinse face after shower (after applying styling products) and in the morning.

    Cleanser: Pond's Makeup Removing Wipes (or Target version)
    Moisturizer: Jojoba oil occasionally
    Treatment: None right now

    Body wash: Johnson's Extra Care Softwash

    I can't use BHA, salicylic acid, or Benzoyl Peroxide. I can't use moisturizers either, and especially not mineral oil or vaseline on my face. I try to keep my hair off my face (to keep the products off), so for the most part doing anything upside-down is a no-no. However, I do sometimes bend over and shake to try to get some volume. Caster oil is particularly problematic near my face (if it's in the product in any significant amount).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ~ Always naturally lazy and curly! ~

    Photo album password: curly
    Blog: lazykerri.wordpress.com
    Curl Type: 3a Fii
    Current Favorites:
    • Jessicurl Too Shea Conditioner
    • Jessicurl Confident Coils
    • Rockin Ringlets, and
    • Herbal Essences Set Me Up Gel
  • The ScientistThe Scientist Posts: 239Registered Users
    Skintype: oily, slightly breakout-prone, slightly sensitive
    Hairtype: fine and dry/damaged from previous coloring and straightening 2b/3a

    Routine: wash hair in the morning. I don't wash my face until after I've put my hair products in and am plopping so my hair is out of the way and not touching my face.

    Cleanser: Vichy Sensitive Skin cleansing liquid (same as jennyfurrens--I tried it after her rave in a thread on the non-hair forum)
    Moisturizer: since I have oily skin, I only use serums. In the day, i use A Perfect World skin guardian by Origins, and at night I use Olay Regenerist fragrance-free daily regenerating serum, and I always use Neutrogena Ultra Sheer sunscreen SPf 30 in the day
    Treatment:RoC nighttime anti-wrinkle retinol treatment, Neutrogena on-the-spot treatment on the occasional pimple (works wonders!)

    Bodywash: Vichy Lipidose for dry skin
    Body Lotion: Lubriderm with spf 15

    Even with this, my body skin still gets dry in the day, though it's less than before I used the Vichy wash. The Vichy cleanser seems to calm my skin and keep it balanced but it also seems to keep it oily/doesn't HELP with the oil. I guess you can never win...
    2c/3a modified CG
    HG product: AG Recoil... Searching for others...
    HG method: pixiecurl method of drying. I'll never go back!
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    Skintype: Oily and sensitive. Dry flaky patches on eyelids and sometimes elsewhere. Acne-prone. I have more or less conquered blackheads using BHA and benzoyl peroxide and never had a big problem with whiteheads, but those big red painful zits below the surface that you can't squeeze are the bane of my existence and I almost always have one or several. I pick at them way too much and I hate my skin.

    I never have had problem wiht my skin, although occasionally get one of those hard spots (usually around my period.) However in the past 3 weeks I have accumlated 5 of them on my chin. It's very upsetting as I feel they are very obvious as the rest of my skin is clear, they are actually quite sore and very red and unsightly. My boyfriend had acne as a teenager and he said that he cut out MILK and any dairy products and it helped. So I have done the same (well I stil have milk on cereal but no hot chocolate or glasses of milk) and they have stopped appearing.

    So maybe try replacing dairy with soy and see if it works? Diet is often a big player in skin problems.

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users

    Even with this, my body skin still gets dry in the day, though it's less than before I used the Vichy wash. The Vichy cleanser seems to calm my skin and keep it balanced but it also seems to keep it oily/doesn't HELP with the oil. I guess you can never win...

    Awh it was nice to see that you followed by rave review, hehe. I do hope it's working for you. But remember, the Vichy range is quite extensive. I use that cleanser as I dont really suffer any skin problems in particular so its a good gentle cleanser. They do have different ones for oily skin/ dry skin etc. They have one similar to the clear cleanser, in a green bottle. It's for acne prone skin so I'm assuming it's better for oily skin... I think it's called VermaDeen? Maybe try two different cleansers - one at night to help get rid of all the dirt during the day, but one in the morning that get rids of the excess oil that has built up over night? I find my skin is oilier in the morning but dirtier at night.

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • spacedcowgirlspacedcowgirl Posts: 111Registered Users
    Giving up dairy scares me a little too much... :shock: You might be right, I just am not sure I'm ready to test it out. So I guess I have to ask myself, what's more important--having milk and cheese or having good skin? Hmm... Thanks for the "food" (har) for thought, though.
    2b/2c/3a
    Back on CG (OK, I'm a little indecisive).
    pw: curls
    Currently using: Whole Foods 365 Herbal Mint Conditioner (co-wash), MOP Mixed Greens Conditioner, Paul Mitchell Lite Detangler, CK, ISO Bouncy Creme. Gave up on plopping due to tangles/"stickiness" and now I just comb through products and diffuse. It looks basically as good and dries a lot faster (I wasn't getting good clumps from plopping anyway). Still wish I were a lot curlier!
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    well it doesnt sound like you have acne so much as problem skin. giving up dairy ENTIRELY is for people who have chronic acne. like i said, i'm still having milk with cereal, milk in tea, but rather than have lattes i'm having coffee with milk. and rather than icecream for pudding i'll have a cake so its not such an intense dose of dairy. and i still had cheese on a sandwich today.

    but i was going through a phase the past two weeks of having a latte everyday, followed by hot chocolate (made with milk) at night and LOTS of cheese. so just try missing out obvious things like lattes and replacing with something a bit less dairy-intense. you might start to see results :)

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Giving up dairy scares me a little too much... :shock: You might be right, I just am not sure I'm ready to test it out. So I guess I have to ask myself, what's more important--having milk and cheese or having good skin? Hmm... Thanks for the "food" (har) for thought, though.

    I did this a few years ago, and I ended up with a serious nutrient deficiency. I think some people respond to the stuff pumped into the cows so organic/hormone and antibotic-free dairy might be a better test.
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • spacedcowgirlspacedcowgirl Posts: 111Registered Users
    jennyfurrens--gotcha. Cutting down on dairy... now that I could probably do. Thanks for the insight and idea. There are some days when I eat a ton of dairy and that may not be the best thing.

    The organic dairy is also a good thought. I use organic milk at home but I don't order lattes with organic milk--and some days a skim latte is my main milk intake and I don't even drink any of my nice organic milk at home. I will keep that in mind. I mean, I'm already spending $3.38 on a coffee, so what's another $.50 to upgrade to organic, right? :lol:
    2b/2c/3a
    Back on CG (OK, I'm a little indecisive).
    pw: curls
    Currently using: Whole Foods 365 Herbal Mint Conditioner (co-wash), MOP Mixed Greens Conditioner, Paul Mitchell Lite Detangler, CK, ISO Bouncy Creme. Gave up on plopping due to tangles/"stickiness" and now I just comb through products and diffuse. It looks basically as good and dries a lot faster (I wasn't getting good clumps from plopping anyway). Still wish I were a lot curlier!
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    I did this a few years ago, and I ended up with a serious nutrient deficiency. I think some people respond to the stuff pumped into the cows so organic/hormone and antibotic-free dairy might be a better test.

    I was just going to suggest this. I'm a longtime veggie (15 yrs now) & I loooove dairy & couldn't do without it. I get lots of my dietary protein from it & the extra calcium does help with weight loss & PMS both. I do buy organic milk now -- even Costco has their own brand. And the best I've found for hormonal monthly acne is Proactiv type regimen. Doesn't have to be that brand, but does need to be a very low concentration of benzoyl peroxide in a base for grown ups that doesn't dry the skin. And a gentle salicylic or better yet, glycolic acid toner to unplug pores.

    FYI: the easiest way to tell if the acne is hormally triggered is its location: if it's on the chin or jawline it's usually hormonal (that's where most of the androgen receptors are); if it's forehead or cheeks, more likely oily skin, reaction to product, or rosacea.
    3B, bra-strap length
    laidback, very-modified CGer
    HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    CelticCurls, that's really helpful. I'm already pretty sure that the majority of my breakouts are hormonally triggered because of timing, but the location of the breakouts also confirms it. I've stayed away from glycolic acid so far (it's an AHA, right?) and the BP hasn't helped but I think I'm not doing it right. Sounds like I need something with a little of BP daily (I've been applying at time of breakout which OK, I'm not a rocket scientist).

    For anyone considering eliminating dairy, you should seriously think about where your calcium, etc. will come from BEFORE you stop dairy.
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • esmeraldaesmeralda Posts: 187Registered Users
    Skintype:Dehydrated & "tight", not flaky & dry.
    Body, very dry & eczemaprone.

    Hairtype: Medium thickness, lots of natural volume,virginhair, 2c/3a

    Routine: Gentle sulfates. My hair loves it, my scalp doesnt. :roll:
    Cleanser: Morning-Avene Gentle Gel cleanser. Night-MAC cleansing Oil,its mineraloil free.

    Moisturizer: As recommended by JennyFurrens, the Oligo 25 moisturizer by Vichy, the orange one. The cleanser she recommends isnt possible to get here :(
    I also like Clarins faceoil & sometimes massage my scalp with it too.

    Treatment: At night I apply Avene Cleanance K (gel with AHA/BHA), in the morning, Clinique Total turnaround serum (with BHA).

    Other: I use sunscreen every single day, currently Eucerin LEB protection spf 25. Exfoliate with Dermalogica daily microfoliant twice a week.

    Bodywash: I only wash my upper back , armpits, feet & other places where I need it... :shock: with gentle bodywash.
    Its really all I need, as I exfoliate my whole body once a week anyway.

    I cannot wash my hair standing up because my skin is easily irritated by hairproducts.
    2C/3A,jetblack indian curls:)
  • allie95allie95 Posts: 74Registered Users
    thanks for the link, laurabeth. I think the info is good, but one weird thing I noticed is that it lists 0 irritancy potential for both SD alcohol 40 and isopropyl alcohol. I can't see how that's right, and I know that irritation can make acne a lot worse.
    2c who can't seem to find enough moisture! Trying to figure this out once and for all 7 years after going CG!
  • spacedcowgirlspacedcowgirl Posts: 111Registered Users
    CelticCurls, that is so interesting! I had never heard that before. Makes sense as the zits I have more or less all the time are on my cheeks--and the bad breakout that I think I got from getting hair products on my face was almost all on my cheeks. I have a few minor pimples on my chin right now, and now that I think about it... they appeared right around the same time as my period. Huh! Who would've thought.
    2b/2c/3a
    Back on CG (OK, I'm a little indecisive).
    pw: curls
    Currently using: Whole Foods 365 Herbal Mint Conditioner (co-wash), MOP Mixed Greens Conditioner, Paul Mitchell Lite Detangler, CK, ISO Bouncy Creme. Gave up on plopping due to tangles/"stickiness" and now I just comb through products and diffuse. It looks basically as good and dries a lot faster (I wasn't getting good clumps from plopping anyway). Still wish I were a lot curlier!
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    allie95 wrote:
    thanks for the link, laurabeth. I think the info is good, but one weird thing I noticed is that it lists 0 irritancy potential for both SD alcohol 40 and isopropyl alcohol. I can't see how that's right, and I know that irritation can make acne a lot worse.

    It's drying (which can cause overproduction of oil) and a penetration-enhancer (which can make other ingredients penetrate deeper and cause cystic zits), but it's not irritating for any-ole-joe. Another list though (/home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerozits.com%2FArticles%2Facnedetect.htm" class="Popup) lists it as a 5 for irritacy because of it's drying/roughing up ways.

    For rosacea, drying alcohol can be a singificant trigger, despite which list you use. :wink:
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • csbcsb Posts: 225Registered Users
    I would love some feedback on how to change my breakout patterns. My skin breaks out primarily on my neck under my ears, on my back and shoulders, and at my temples. Occasionally I get hormonal breakouts on my nose and chin, but those are easy to fix.

    Skintype: oily, prone to breakouts
    Hairtype: 2b/3a
    Routine: wash my face in the morning in the shower while conditioner is on my hair, wash my face at the sink at night.

    Cleanser: Bobbi Brown Foaming Cleanser
    Moisturizer: BB Brightening Moisturizer in the AM, Brightening Essence at night
    Treatment: Paula' Choice BHA, clean and clear benzoyl peroxide

    I can't find a curly routine for my hair that does't make these problems worse. Ouidad and Devacurl had been working for me most recently, but they just started magnifying my breakouts. Jessicurl was awful for me.

    I've been straightening using (gasp) John Frieda Brilliant Brunette shampoo and conditioner, and a 'cone filled styler. At least they don't break my skin out.

    Body Wash: Paula's Choice All Over Shampoo and body wash
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    Actually, csb, you sound like a great candidate for cones. I noticed that about ProActiv -- the moisturizer is cone-based, because they're non-acne causers. They add moisture without adding oil, & they're very non-irritating. Sounds like the cone hair products are working for you, so I would stick with them. Lots of essential oils, butters, fragrances, etc. are probably not going to play nice with your skin.

    Castella: yes, glycolic acid is an AHA, which normally I have to avoid bcz they're too irritating for me, but I did OK with this one. I only used it in toner form, and only a few times a month when I knew hormonal acne was coming my way. It made my skin very soft & was actually moisturizing. I very rarely break out now, but this stuff still works for me when I do.
    3B, bra-strap length
    laidback, very-modified CGer
    HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
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