Tim James says We Speak English in Alabama

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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    He's a tea-bagger candidate. They just prove over and over that they really are racist.
  • RawrSallyRawrSally Posts: 1,388Registered Users
    Why is it that only the idiots in Alabama get any press?
    I'm embarassed for my state.
  • CurlyminxCurlyminx Posts: 5,581Registered Users
    What bugs me the most is that he doesn't understand that people may speak and read English but still feel more comfortable understanding important documents in their native language.

    I mean, how dare people for wanting to fulling understand important documents.

    Dick.
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  • CocoaCoilyCocoaCoily Posts: 2,648Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    That was a real ad???
  • journotravelerjournotraveler Posts: 2,816Registered Users
    Curlyminx wrote: »
    What bugs me the most is that he doesn't understand that people may speak and read English but still feel more comfortable understanding important documents in their native language.

    I mean, how dare people for wanting to fulling understand important documents.

    Dick.

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  • WiregirlWiregirl Posts: 1,695Registered Users
    When I first saw the ad I thought it was a SNL skit..Dumb ass!!!!!
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    He's a tea-bagger candidate. They just prove over and over that they really are racist.

    I have a friend who is a libertarian (wth, right?), who argues that the term "tea bagger" is insulting, and not of the group's choosing. Does anyone know anything about this?
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    ninja dog wrote: »
    He's a tea-bagger candidate. They just prove over and over that they really are racist.

    I have a friend who is a libertarian (wth, right?), who argues that the term "tea bagger" is insulting, and not of the group's choosing. Does anyone know anything about this?

    I've heard tea baggers claim it's insulting, too. However, they called themselves tea baggers first and then when they realized it was a sexual act, they tried to switch to tea party.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Springcurl wrote: »
    ninja dog wrote: »
    He's a tea-bagger candidate. They just prove over and over that they really are racist.

    I have a friend who is a libertarian (wth, right?), who argues that the term "tea bagger" is insulting, and not of the group's choosing. Does anyone know anything about this?

    I've heard tea baggers claim it's insulting, too. However, they called themselves tea baggers first and then when they realized it was a sexual act, they tried to switch to tea party.


    That's exactly right. They named themselves Tea Baggers. I guess they thought it was more "modern" or something, since Americans use tea bags not loose tea. The left wing picked up on it right away and started cracking jokes incessantly and the right wing figured out that they named themselves something stupid and tried to change it. Too late! heh heh heh...Tea Baggers stuck.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    And incidentally, here's what Politifact has to say:

    Alabama's Tim James says government report backs up his claim that non-English speaking drivers are a public safety hazard

    Alabama gubernatorial candidate Tim James' campaign ad calling for state driver's license exams to be given only in English has sparked a political firestorm in an already smoldering immigration debate.

    "Why do our politicians make us give driver's license exams in 12 languages?" James says in the ad. "This is Alabama. We speak English. If you want to live here, learn it. We're only giving the test in English if I'm governor."

    James has defended his stance, in part, because he says it's a public safety issue.

    According to an April 26, 2010, press release on his campaign website, the evidence is a 2004 U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics report that said work-related traffic fatalities had increased 72 percent. According to James' campaign, the federal agency attributed that to increasing numbers of drivers who could not read or understand warning signs in English. The campaign didn't directly cite the report, but cited an article about it in the Sept. 23, 2004 Birmingham News.

    "We welcome non-English speaking people, who are legally in the U.S., to Alabama. However, if you want to drive in our states, public safety concerns dictate that you need to speak English," James said in the release. "Political correctness may endear you to the Rachel Maddow crowd, but here in Alabama, the safety of our people comes first."

    We decided to look into the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) report cited by the James campaign. It's a 2003 BLS report on fatal occupational injuries in Alabama. And that year, the report shows, there were 63 transportation-related incidents. But it doesn't say anything about any of those accidents being tied to an inability of drivers to read signs in English. Turns out that's not something the BLS tracks.

    So where did James get that? It was from speculation by a Department of Labor economist, Victoria Dinkins, who was quoted in a newspaper story about the report.

    "Dinkins said transportation accidents accounted for the bulk of Alabama's 2003 work-related fatalities," the Birmingham News story said. "Fatalities involving truck drivers and workers driving company cars or personal vehicles on the job rose to 62 last year from 36 in 2002.

    "The language barrier for Hispanic workers could also play a role in increased Alabama on-the-job fatalities, Dinkins said.

    "If these workers can't recognize or interpret a sign that shows that something is dangerous, that will present a problem," she said. "A further problem may exist even if an employer displays a warning sign in Spanish and the workers may speak Spanish, but are not literate in English or Spanish. Therefore they would be unable to read a sign regardless of the language it is written in."

    But that speculation isn't supported by the report. Although it doesn't directly address their language, it tracks the race and ethnic origin of those who died on the job. So if Dinkins' speculation is correct, we would expect a much higher rate among workers of Hispanic origin.

    It doesn't. Of the 63 transportation-related fatalities that year, the report states, 51 were non-Hispanic whites; and 10 were non-Hispanic blacks. In other words, we know that at least 61 of the 63 people who died were not Hispanic. There was no data on the origin of other two people -- so we don't know whether they were Hispanic or not -- but even if they were, that clearly would not warrant a conclusion that a rise in transportation-related deaths that year was tied to people not being able to read signs in English. (Alabama's population is 2.9 percent Hispanic.)

    We're also not even sure why James cited a statistic from 2003. The BLS puts out these statistics every year. In 2004, there were 51 work-related transportation fatalities. All 51 were non-Hispanic. In fact, if you total up the numbers from 2003 through 2008, there were 319 transportation-related deaths. Of them, the reports note that 309 were non-Hispanic. The origin of the other 10 is not listed in the reports. But clearly, there is no basis to conclude that something as tangential as not being able to read signs in English is affecting those numbers one way or the other.

    Karen Ransom, a regional economist with the Bureau of Labor Statistics in Atlanta, said Dinkins clearly misspoke.

    "We took a look at the numbers, and as you can see, that quote is simply not the case," she said. "Of the 63, 61 were listed as non-Hispanic. Clearly that does not play out."

    We poked around but couldn't find any study that does suggests a higher rate of traffic accidents, fatal or not, among people who do not speak English. Nor could we find news reports of any traffic fatalities in Alabama caused by a driver's inability to understand a road sign in English.

    We checked with Russ Racker, a spokesman for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a group funded by the auto insurance industry that researches ways to reduce crashes. If anyone would know if non-English speakers are more of a driving hazard than English-speakers, this would be the group.

    "We aren't aware of any studies that show non-English speakers get into crashes more frequently," Racker said.

    We also called and wrote the James campaign for comment, but did not get a response.

    In summary, James backed up his claims about concerns over public safety by citing a 2003 Bureau of Labor Statistics report that he claimed showed an alarming rise in work-related traffic fatalities due to the fact that increasing numbers of employees and drivers could not read or understand warning signs in English. The report does not state that. It doesn't even consider the issue. Rather, that's the speculation of a Bureau of Labor economist who was quoted in a 2004 news story. And that speculation is actually contradicted by the data in the report. We rate James' claim False.
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  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    In spite of them calling themselves that first, I tend to be more respectful when talking about a group (even if I don't like them)...I will continue to call them Tea Partiers because that's now what they want to be called.

    Back to the OP....lovely.
    It isn't just Alabama, Annarie101, the crazies are coming out from everywhere.
    It's amazingly scary how this is all unfolding, isn't it?
    All from the Republican party being a party of NO (because they want to disarm Obama...LOL)...and even if it goes against what the country wants (like financial reform in dealing with the big banks); from all the protests (Tea Partiers; 2nd Amendment gun toters during the Anniversary of the Oklahoma bombing/Waco); Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin stirring the pot; Arizona's Immigration reform; Governor Perry of Texas implying wanting to seceed from the Union; the threats to some of our congress people and the racial slurs; of course this incident in Alabama; and who was it that said we should have a test for people to vote (like we used to do for African Americans to keep them from voting)?; talks of "revolution;" and just the over all tension.
    This can't be good.
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  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks for the info Springcurl.
    Alabama is not known for having a hugely Hispanic (non-English speaking) population. I think it's bizarre that this governor is even doing this on any grounds.
    I wouldn't agree to it, but it would make more sense if Arizona or Texas did this.
    I'm in Texas. I don't know of any problems with drivers because they cannot speak English. I'm not saying this isn't possible. More likely, they're going to be more cautious, not less, if they can't read the signs correctly. Like stop instead of yield...grrr!

    Alabama and many other states with a right-leaning swing, tends to be all about "freedom" in their talk but when it comes down to it, they are often more restrictive.
    Why not address the drunk driving and texting while driving issue more? Oh, we cannot violate the freedoms of good ol' white people.
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  • Aphro-DeeziacAphro-Deeziac Posts: 983Registered Users
    CocoaCoily wrote: »
    That was a real ad???


    i thought i was a joke too but its not
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