Diffusing Questions

dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
So, I posted in the Random Thoughts post that I was considering diffusing since it is taking my hair longer to dry with the higher dews.

Some questions for those that diffuse:
1. Do you start to diffuse right away or wait?
2. Do you diffuse to 100% dry or a different %?

Thanks!
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
    I'll play. If I have unlimited time, I plop for about 10 min, then air dry for about 10 min, then diffuse for 5 min. It's probably about 75% dry by then. If I'm in a hurry, I do whatever I can in whatever amount of time I have!
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  • elitaelita Registered Users Posts: 402 Curl Neophyte
    I play around with diffusing times also depending on how much time I have. I always plop for at least 30 minutes then give my hair about 5-10 minutes to settle. I diffuse for about 10 minutes at a time then come back several times between making lunches and helping the kids get ready for school. My hair is never completely dry when it's time for me to leave for work. Different products affect how long my hair takes to dry also.

    I'm actually doing the opposite of you and have been air-drying the last couple weeks. I've always used heat and I'm trying to baby my hair before my next color & cut. To help it dry under the gel quicker, I've been gently pinching my fingers along each clump around 10:00, then it's ready to fully scrunch by noon. I used to get up at 4:00 so that I could diffuse my hair to almost 100% dry before going to work but air-drying lets me sleep in. :p
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  • dailywavydailywavy Registered Users Posts: 249
    I towel dry, then diffuse till 100%. If I don't my waves go flat and I touch them too much so my hair goes frizzy.
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  • curlysue21curlysue21 Registered Users Posts: 5,219
    I plop for maybe 5-10 minutes on average...longer if I'm lazy. I air dry for 20 minutes or longer again, if I don't feel like doing it right away. Then diffuse for 15-20 minutes until 90-95% dry.
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    I've been air drying for the past few months out of sheer laziness, but when on the odd day that I do diffuse, I scrunch out excess water and plop for about 15 minutes, scrunch out more water with a t-shirt, and then diffuse. I only diffuse to about 80% dry at most.

    Dailywavy, your results with diffusing have made me wonder if maybe I should give it a more consistent try. Seriously, that hair cut knocks me out.
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  • runnerchickirunnerchicki Registered Users Posts: 475
    I diffuse till about 75% dry on the ends, but I try to get my roots more so that I get the volume. I flip my head over and stick the diffuser fingers near my scalp. This spares the drier ends of my hair from so much heat. Also, once my waves start to set from the gel, I switch to the cool setting. Still takes a while this way, but is much faster than air drying.
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    dailywavy wrote: »
    I towel dry, then diffuse till 100%. If I don't my waves go flat and I touch them too much so my hair goes frizzy.
    Ok, so I tried this. I didn't pixie for the whole time - just enough to set the curl and get it crunchy, then I held the dryer a little further out and turned the heat up so it would dry (still didn't move the dryer much, though).

    I have more curl and no frizz. None. Not one bit. I didn't change anything else.

    It's a little too much work for me on a daily basis (diffusing with product took probably about 40 minutes to get it completely dry from towel-dry), but when I have time this is great!
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  • wavyblondewavyblonde Registered Users Posts: 1,637 Curl Neophyte
    I used to start diffusing almost immediately, but I found a system that works better for me. I don't plop anymore. I scrunch pretty aggressively with a microfiber towel, then I go about my business, coming back to scrunch some more every 5-10 minutes. I air dry for a while, because 1) I like my curl a little looser on top, and 2) if I start diffusing too early, I seem to get wonky curls. After about 45 minutes or so, I'll diffuse until dry, but sometimes I'll take a break halfway through and clip, walking around for about 5 minutes and coming back to diffuse some more. If i didn't diffuse, I don't think I'd get as much volume.
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    So...I was looking through my cabinets yesterday and I think I threw out my diffuser a while back :confused1: because I can't find it anywhere!

    Is there anything I can substitute until I can make it to the store to get one?
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  • gekko422gekko422 Registered Users Posts: 4,869 Curl Connoisseur
    I let my hair sit while I brush my teeth, put on moisturizer, etc. Then I scrunch out the excess water and diffuse. I diffuse about 80% dryish, I think. My hair is fully dry by the time I get to the office.
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  • tproultproul Registered Users Posts: 112
    I seem to get better curl formation if I diffuse right after I apply my products, with no plopping. If I don't diffuse right away and let it air dry for a few minutes, then I lose some curl. I usually pixie diffuse until about 80% done, then let the rest air dry while I fix lunches, breakfast, etc... and SOTC right before leaving the house.
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    I purchased the tourmaline diffuser from Sally's this weekend, and it doesn't fit my Conair dryer (which I LOVE and have had for YEARS - probably why I lost the original diffuser). My Conair is the older Ion Shine one and it has these little tube like things on each side, so a "universal" diffuser won't fit.

    So, now I need to purchase a whole new dryer/diffuser combo if I want to start diffusing - which I need to start because again today I had to SOTC while it was still wet...

    Any suggestions? I really don't want to spend too much money.
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
    There are a couple of threads about the Conair Curl Fusion pancake dryer. I think Alexjoujou started one. I got one for about $20 and I love it!
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    solidgold wrote: »
    There are a couple of threads about the Conair Curl Fusion pancake dryer. I think Alexjoujou started one. I got one for about $20 and I love it!

    I was looking at that, but thought it may blow it around too much. Can you compare to drying with a bowl diffuser (the pixie curl way)?

    I started looking at the Conair Ionic/Ceramic on at Target for $16.99 (with diffuser).
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    I can't find it cheaper than $34 :angry3:
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    I have the pancake and a bowl diffuser - I prefer the bowl diffuser. It can take longer, but I really like the way my hair turns out when I pixie, as opposed to with the pancake diffuser.
    Location: West Virginia (Eastern Panhandle)
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Registered Users Posts: 1,485 Curl Neophyte
    dark_waves wrote: »
    solidgold wrote: »
    There are a couple of threads about the Conair Curl Fusion pancake dryer. I think Alexjoujou started one. I got one for about $20 and I love it!

    I was looking at that, but thought it may blow it around too much. Can you compare to drying with a bowl diffuser (the pixie curl way)?

    I started looking at the Conair Ionic/Ceramic on at Target for $16.99 (with diffuser).

    I like the pancake one because I can get closer to my scalp. I don't think it blows around too much. I have an old bowl diffuser too, and I think it dries faster with it, but I prefer the pancake. (mmm, pancakes. I'm hungry.) It's also lighter than the bowl--easier to hold.

    Did you find any on Amazon? I think I got mine through a merchant there. I probably paid $25 total...
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    The $34 was on Amazon...I found the one you were probably talking about ($20 and free shipping), but they were sold out.

    I think I am going to go for the Conair one at Target (with the bowl diffuser). I just don't want to fall in love with something that is hard to find...so I am going to stay away :p

    ETA: Finally found a picture of the diffuser that comes with the Conair Ionic/Ceramic Dryer and it is not a bowl...so on to the next option!
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    Yeah, I have that Conair dryer, and while I can still use it to pixie, it's definitely not a "bowl" diffuser. I just can't justify pony-ing up for a new dryer right now. Let me know what you find. If there's a decent one for about $20 or so, I'll totally bite.
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    I went to Target this morning and just got the Conair Ionic/Ceramic one that is on sale for $16.99. It comes with a diffuser, but it isn't much of a bowl. I am going to try it with the one it comes with as well and the one I got from Sally's (since I haven't returned it yet).

    I have ALWAYS had cheap Conair dryers, so I'm not worried about the dryer itself. This one is actually better than the one I have. It has 3 temp and 2 speed settings - the one I have now only has 2 of each.

    I did find the Curl Fusion one on Ebay, and have been watching it. Solid I know you love it, but Finale - which do you prefer, the Curl Fusion or your regular dryer with a diffuser?
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  • Fusilli66Fusilli66 Registered Users Posts: 296
    curlysue21 wrote: »
    I plop for maybe 5-10 minutes on average...longer if I'm lazy. I air dry for 20 minutes or longer again, if I don't feel like doing it right away. Then diffuse for 15-20 minutes until 90-95% dry.

    I do the same thing as you, with the only exception being I air dry for as long as I can - on average its about 30 minutes - and then diffuse about 10 minutes until almost dry.

    Can someone tell me what "pixie" is????
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    Gina729 wrote: »
    curlysue21 wrote: »
    I plop for maybe 5-10 minutes on average...longer if I'm lazy. I air dry for 20 minutes or longer again, if I don't feel like doing it right away. Then diffuse for 15-20 minutes until 90-95% dry.

    I do the same thing as you, with the only exception being I air dry for as long as I can - on average its about 30 minutes - and then diffuse about 10 minutes until almost dry.

    Can someone tell me what "pixie" is????

    I think it is when you gather a section of hair in the diffuser bowl (like a plop) then turn the dryer on and let it sit for a bit and turn the dryer off before moving it to the next section.

    This is just what I have gathered from reading about it - I have not actually done it yet.
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    dark_waves wrote: »
    I went to Target this morning and just got the Conair Ionic/Ceramic one that is on sale for $16.99. It comes with a diffuser, but it isn't much of a bowl. I am going to try it with the one it comes with as well and the one I got from Sally's (since I haven't returned it yet).

    I have ALWAYS had cheap Conair dryers, so I'm not worried about the dryer itself. This one is actually better than the one I have. It has 3 temp and 2 speed settings - the one I have now only has 2 of each.

    I did find the Curl Fusion one on Ebay, and have been watching it. Solid I know you love it, but Finale - which do you prefer, the Curl Fusion or your regular dryer with a diffuser?
    Dark, I prefer the "regular" Conair diffuser (in fact, I think you bought the exact one I have - could you let me know if the universal bowl diffuser fits it?). The pancake one is great for volume, as Solid said, but I'm generally OK in that department, and am looking for some enhancement, as well. I find that pixie curling (which is exactly what you described it as) is the best way for me to get this. I do that until my hair gets "crunchy" then turn up the heat and "salon style diffuse" meaning I hold it out away from my head and let it blow on my hair.

    It really depends on how strong or weak your curl pattern is, I think. Mine's not terribly strong, so it needs all the help it can get.
    Location: West Virginia (Eastern Panhandle)
    2b/cMii, medium-high porosity

    Likes protein and most oils, HATES mineral oil
    Summer Routine
    Poo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
    Cowash CJ Daily Fix
    Rinse out: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
    Leave In: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, SSRPT
    Stylers: Ecostyler Krystal, LALSG (in really high dews)
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  • tproultproul Registered Users Posts: 112
    dark_waves wrote: »
    I went to Target this morning and just got the Conair Ionic/Ceramic one that is on sale for $16.99. It comes with a diffuser, but it isn't much of a bowl. I am going to try it with the one it comes with as well and the one I got from Sally's (since I haven't returned it yet).

    I have ALWAYS had cheap Conair dryers, so I'm not worried about the dryer itself. This one is actually better than the one I have. It has 3 temp and 2 speed settings - the one I have now only has 2 of each.

    I did find the Curl Fusion one on Ebay, and have been watching it. Solid I know you love it, but Finale - which do you prefer, the Curl Fusion or your regular dryer with a diffuser?
    Dark, I prefer the "regular" Conair diffuser (in fact, I think you bought the exact one I have - could you let me know if the universal bowl diffuser fits it?). The pancake one is great for volume, as Solid said, but I'm generally OK in that department, and am looking for some enhancement, as well. I find that pixie curling (which is exactly what you described it as) is the best way for me to get this. I do that until my hair gets "crunchy" then turn up the heat and "salon style diffuse" meaning I hold it out away from my head and let it blow on my hair.

    It really depends on how strong or weak your curl pattern is, I think. Mine's not terribly strong, so it needs all the help it can get.

    Finaleofseem, I only have low or high strength settings and no heat settings on my dryer. Should I turn up the strength setting as you do to dry the rest of my hair? I normally pixie curl dry my hair on low until about 80% done. I wonder if increasing the strength would just cause frizz?
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    Tproul, I think that's definitely a "your mileage may vary" kind of situation. I use a lot of gel because of my weak curl pattern, so my hair is pretty crunchy by the time it gets to be about 50% dry. At that point, I'm not worried about it moving/causing frizz. However, I do hold the diffuser out away from my head, and I don't whip it around much - just kind of hold it in place for a while, then move it slowly, and repeat.

    I haven't had frizz problems, but that may be entirely because my hair needs a lot of product, or could be just a my hair kind of thing. What frizz I do have generally settles about 15 minutes or so after diffusing.
    Location: West Virginia (Eastern Panhandle)
    2b/cMii, medium-high porosity

    Likes protein and most oils, HATES mineral oil
    Summer Routine
    Poo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
    Cowash CJ Daily Fix
    Rinse out: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
    Leave In: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, SSRPT
    Stylers: Ecostyler Krystal, LALSG (in really high dews)
    PT: SS Repairing Protein Treatment
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Registered Users Posts: 2,571
    I used to plop for about 15 mins, then airdry for awhile, then diffuse on low air flow. Recently I've started to diffuse all the way dry either after only a bit of plopping or right after applying my products, and a full speed. I pixiecurl diffuse, and I have had very little frizz recently even though I have done that and good curl formation too.

    I will say that I have an expensive dryer, as I'm a stylist. I use the Paul Mitchell Ion Dryer with The Diffuser. It's HANDS DOWN the BEST dryer and diffuser I've ever used.
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    Finale, I just checked to see if it fits and it does. I am going to try them both and see if there is any difference. The one from Sally's is more bowl like, so I would think it would hold more hair in place , but who knows...I've never diffused before.
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  • finaleofseemfinaleofseem Registered Users Posts: 900
    Oo, Dark, this means I have to stop by Sally's on my way home from work tomorrow and buy the diffuser. :)

    I've been wanting a bowl diffuser for exactly that reason - I think it would be easier to fit my hair into it, and hold more at a time, meaning less time diffusing.
    Location: West Virginia (Eastern Panhandle)
    2b/cMii, medium-high porosity

    Likes protein and most oils, HATES mineral oil
    Summer Routine
    Poo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
    Cowash CJ Daily Fix
    Rinse out: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture
    Leave In: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture, SSRPT
    Stylers: Ecostyler Krystal, LALSG (in really high dews)
    PT: SS Repairing Protein Treatment
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Registered Users Posts: 2,571
    I got my first bowl diffuser at Sallys....come to think of it, I think it was the Conair Universal one you all are talking about, and it was decent. IMO the diffuser itself isn't quite as important as the dryer! A universal diffuser will work well with a good dryer, but I did get the PM diffuser for my dryer because I needed a good diffuser anyway and the price wasn't bad.
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  • dark_wavesdark_waves Registered Users Posts: 611
    I used the bowl one today and I liked it - I have so much more curl! I will try the one that came with it tomorrow to see how they compare.
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