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The Devachan Hair Cut is not “Natural” in ANY WAY

The Devash*t Hair Cut is not “Natural” in ANY WAY.

I am 51 yrs old. I have curly hair, somewhere between 3b and 3a. I was lucky to have good stylists most of my life until the past 5 years (they retired.) I have never had a problem styling my curly hair—as long as it is cut correctly.

I had my first, and last, Devash*t cut yesterday.

I wish someone had warned me that, if you choose the Devash*t cut, you will be forced into using a ton of gel in your hair, every day and your hair will look FAKE--as if you are wearing clip-on, PLASTIC curls.

Further, if you want to wear your hair straight – forget it. You will not be able to blow-it out straight so it looks good and, if you want to wear it curly without gel, forget it – you can’t do that either.

The Devash*t cut is the WORST cut I have ever had. The only reason that this cut “works” is because curly hair is very forgiving when you wear it curly with enough product.

I told the stylist that I wanted the option of wearing my hair “curly” or “straight.” I said that the biggest problem I have, is stylists that insist on cutting the top layer of hair the same length or shorter than, the hair that lies below.

If a stylist does not understand that the top layer of hair shrinks and that it needs to be cut longer than the lower layers, you will end-up with a PYRAMID. The stylist assured me that she understood the “pyramid” problem.

I could not have been clearer about NOT wanting to have the hair that grows from the top layer of my head cut shorter than the rest of my hair. I did agree to a few, face framing cuts. I even brought pictures of my various states of hair distress.

Also, I showed the stylist pictures and, we discussed the common “rat-tail” problem – STILL GOT A TON OF THEM. I cannot believe what a mess my hair is. I cannot believe that anyone would make it look this bad.

It’s going to take another six months to grow this mess out of my hair. I am extremely p’d-off. The TRIANGLE has got WORSE.

As far as I’m concerned, if you want a Devash*t cut, get a pair of scissors and go at like a psycho ‘cause that’s what you will end-up looking like – unless, of course, as I said before, you want to put a ton of gel in your hair, every day and look as if you are wearing clip-on, PLASTIC curls.

In addition, I went out after my appointment and could not wait to get home and wash the gunk out of my hair. Unfortunately, one of the products still STINKS and it is 24 hours later. Gross.

The stylist also used “[buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink]” gel which I do not like. I told the stylist that I do not like “CRUNCH” products. It’s not as bad as some other products but it’s still gross.

[buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink] also contains DMDM Hydantoin which is a very toxic ingredient. A 9 out of 10 Hazard rating from the Environmental Working Group site, Skin Deep. I’ll take silicone over DMDM Hydantoin any day.

If you want real answers about the ingredients in products that you use, I suggest that you go to the following websites:

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DMDM Hydantoin :
§ Known human immune system toxicant
§ Human skin toxicant - strong evidence

Dimethicone only has a 3 out 10 hazard rating – so everyone telling you how “bad” silicones are- are full of crap. Are these people chemists? NO. But, the following may be:

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REASONS WHY SILICONE CAN’T SUFFOCATE HAIR:
1) Even if you didn’t wash all the silicone out, we’ve never seen any data that indicates that a small amount of silicone residue acts as a “barrier” between hair shaft and moisture. On average, your hair contains about 8 to 14% water by weight but it will equilibrate to the ambient humidity. In other words, it will pick up moisture when it’s very humid and it will lose moisture when it’s very dry. Slight silicone residue won’t substantially change that. Now, if you slather on a heavy layer of a silicone hair treatment product, that’s a different story!

2) Even though your hair absorbs moisture from the environment, its state of dryness isn’t completely controlled by this external water. Dryness is more a function of how damaged your hair is and how much natural lipids it contains.

3) Even if you did block your hair from absorbing moisture, the silicone would act like a moisturizing agent because it would plasticize and lubricate your hair. It would essentially fight the effects of dryness.

If you use a silicone containing product and you like the way it makes your hair look and feel, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT! Don’t feel guilty because some people tell you that it’s bad for your hair. Oil products like Ojon can work too if you don’t want to use silicone.

(Personally, I style my hair curly using Bed Head, Head Shrink Gel (green gel) mixed with a tiny bit of 100% Dessert Essence Jojoba oil and a tiny bit of water. The Bed Head smells terrific and the hair is soft. The Bed Head also conditions the hair and it stays soft even after you wash it-no build-up.)

Finally, if you have to use a ton of product and your hair does not feel NATURAL -- I wish people would say so when they post. I had this cut based on the good reviews from this site. Horribly disappointed.

I will post pics when I get a chance - curly (with a ton of crap in it) and straight- it's horrific
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  • lizzlebelizzlelizzlebelizzle Posts: 287Registered Users
    Hmm. I was always under the assumption that the top layer should be cut shorter than the bottom layers. I get "pyramid-head" when my ends are all at the same length when my hair is dry. Since my hair has so much volume, it looks like a flat bottom of my hairstyle. If they cut the top layers longer and they shrunk up to match with your bottom layers, I would think that that would make the triangle problem worse.

    For example: here my hair is pretty triangle-y. My top layers are the same length as my bottom layers when dry

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    And here is it when the top layers are cut shorter. More rounded, no flat bottom:

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    Now, neither of these are deva cuts, but I've had a Devacut at the actual Devachan salon before and I didn't come out with triangle head. Where did you get your cut done? Some stylists go to a couple-day long training session to get Deva certified, but that doesn't mean your stylist was doing the cut correctly.

    I'm sorry you got a bad cut and I understand the amount of anger you must be feeling right now, but this type of cutting and product application has worked well for many people on this site. I'll be interested to see the pictures to see if it's really as bad as you say. You say that you got the cut based on good reviews from this site -- was it good reviews of this stylist or just the Deva cut in particular?

    As for the problem you had with the products the stylist used -- Curlkeeper never really worked well for me either, but I find that my hair can feel very "natural" and not plastic-y at all if I use gel as long as I scrunch out the crunch once my hair is dry. The gel basically acts to keep my hair from frizzing while it's in the drying process, and once my hair is completely dry I can scrunch it out and be left with very soft, natural feeling hair.

    And as for silicones -- it's true that a small amount of silicone won't suffocate your hair. It's just that a lot of people on this site don't use sulfate shampoos regularly and the silicones can build up over time. This actually happened to me. I went through a phase where I was like "Pssssht. It's not gonna hurt anything," and I used silicone hairsprays and conditioners every day and still considering myself "CG" by not using shampoo ever. After a few months of this I was wondering why my hair was feeling so dry and why my curls weren't as tight as they used to be, and when I went in for a haircut at an Aveda salon, the stylist scraped one of my hairs with a razor and all of this white stuff came off -- it was layers and layers of buildup. Once I got this stuff off of my hair and started making sure it was well-moisturized, my hair started looking and feeling a lot better.

    So there's nothing really wrong with silicones as long as you're prepared to wash them off with sulfates regularly.

    I'm sorry you got a bad cut. I would recommend playing around with products until you find something that doesn't make your hair feel too coated. We'd be able to give you more recommendations if you could tell us what your hair is like and what products have worked well for you in the past. Just don't give up on this site yet. You'll find that most people on this site aren't slavish to the Deva method.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I'm sorry that you did not like your cut. Many here have had them and do like them, but, you are stuck with the skill of the individual stylist no matter what technique they use.

    I interpret "plastic clip on" as curls with a lot of definition. That is a look that some here go for because it tend to reduce frizz or impart some sense of control. These folks do use stylers and gels. Some prefer a more "natural" or free/wild look, and they use fewer products.

    Some here also use certain silicones. I have a conditioner and a gel with them.

    I feel that EWG is over the top alarmist, so I don't put too much worth into what they say.

    Feel free to post pictures and to let us know how you would like your curls to look and what, if any, products you are using now. Perhaps some of the curlies here have been in your shoes and can help out.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Hmm. I was always under the assumption that the top layer should be cut shorter than the bottom layers. I get "pyramid-head" when my ends are all at the same length when my hair is dry.

    I find the same thing on me actually. I prefer the top layers to be shorter so I get more spring and so I don't get pyramid head.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

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  • goobernutgoobernut Posts: 2,317Registered Users
    I was going to type out a nice response, but I wouldn't really say anything different than anything the previous wonderful ladies have already said.

    Perhaps its about the particular stylist rather than the method?

    On a side note -- Lizzle, you are so freaking adorable I want to cry in jealousy. You are unbelievably cute and so is your hair! You make pyramid head look fabu.

    I also kinda understand what the OP is saying about top layers vs bottom layers. Quite a few curlies do want their top layers to be shorter -- but if you have a curlier top than bottom layer -- believe me, you need something a little different. My top layer shrinks up tons more than the bottom layers. So my cut needs to be adjusted. If you cut the top and bottom layers the same, my top would shrink up so that it would LOOK like the top layer was shorter. I can only assume this is why the OP would want that particular hair cut. Since she(possibly he?) doesn't describe her/his hair, in detail, I can only guess.

    I find it odd that both the Beauty Brains and The cosmetics database were both referenced -- those websites are pretty much diametrically opposed! They are on opposite ends of the spectrum I think.

    I guess I did have more to add. Lalala~ I'll move along now.
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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    Perhaps its about the particular stylist rather than the method?

    ITA just because you go to a so called "DEVA" stylist, there are no guarantees. I've had some of my worst and best cuts from people that trained with Deva. Some followed it to a T others put their own spin on it. Frankly the ones that put their own spin on it worked out better!

    Attending a few seminars, brought to you by "DEVA" doesn't make any stylist an expert in cutting curly hair. :p
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  • 85MR285MR2 Posts: 226Registered Users
    +1 On a Devacut only being as good as the stylist doing it. Also, Deva products don't claim to be natural. And even with a good cut it has to be styled properly with products that work for you. I posted a thread recently about my first Devacut and how the products and styling didn't work out for me. However, the cut is great and I restyled it at home with fantastic results. Both these pics were taken same day, one with Deva products/styling, and one with my stuff at home.
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  • mar618mar618 Posts: 6Registered Users
    I'm going to find someone to fix my hair Monday. Anything is better than this. Maybe I got a bad cut but, the stylist got good reviews-that's why I went. I can make it look good if I use a lot of gel but I want to wear it straight most of the year (except in summer)- the stylist knew this and said it would not be a problem.

    I have never had a problem with styling. Besides the potion I mix, I just use my fingers and make ringlets, very quickly. Then I take two chopsticks and stick them through on either side of my part (for lift) and twist them together at the back for about 15 minutes.

    Sometimes, I'll pull some of the hair up with a plastic clip on the top of my head for a couple minutes. That's it. I don't diffuse, blow-dry - only air dry.

    I get very defined, TOUCHABLE, shiny, spiral-ringlet, BOUNCY, SOFT, curls - you can put your hand through my curls and not go "ICK." (if I don't straighten my hair-I will have "defined" curls no matter what I use.)

    I use Bed Head, Head Shrink Gel (green gel) mixed with a tiny bit of 100% Dessert Essence Jojoba oil and a tiny bit of water. The Bed Head smells terrific and the hair is soft. The Bed Head also conditions the hair and it stays soft even after you wash it-no build-up.) If I have any strays I spray a little, light hair spray on my fingers and scrunch the spot.

    (The bed head can get very STIFF if you don't dilute and you don't use carefully. It took me some practice but now I can do my hair in about 10 minutes-right out of the shower. Also, what's nice is if it does get stiff, you can wet your fingers and rub the curl(s) and it will get the stiffness out but still better to start with a little diluted product)

    All of your pics look great-not me. Even my husband-who has NEVER said a BAD thing about me EVER--can't believe how bad my hair looks - I'm going to have him take a picture tomorrow--I look like I belong in a psycho ward. I am so embarrassed.

    As far as the triangle and hair - maybe it's because my hair is a mix? It doesn't really feel "fine" but it's not quite "medium" either.

    I'll style this hair and take pic and then when it grows out (and I find a someone to cut it) I'll style it "my" way - which, honestly looks a lot like all of your pics--maybe they used too much product? Idk.

    I'm just so depressed right now. At least the way it was cut before, I could straighten it and it would look "okay" not great but I could go out--I honestly will not be seen like this--I'm not kidding. I will have my hubby take a pic of the back just so y'all can get a good laugh.

    Thanks for all your input. Curly girls are pretty special!

    The following is what I found out of book for "traditional" stylists. I think it's the way that my good stylist was cutting my hair but I don't think that every stylist can do this-even when they say they can. If they cut into the curl the wrong way - well, y'all know what happens...


    HOW TO CUT CURLY HAIR
    Curly hair can be tricky to cut. You do not want the cut to LOOK BUSHY on the bottom. You can avoid this with the way that you cut and layer the hair. Angling curly hair as you cut it will help keep the curls falling smoothly.

    1. Begin with the back section. Section the hair starting at the bottom and trim to the desired length. Remember that curly hair will shrink when dry to about an inch shorter, so cut longer than the desired length. Continue until you reach the top layer of hair.
    2. Comb the top layer of hair down and pull it out. SLIGHTLY RELEASE THE TENSION ON THE HAIR AND CUT THE TOP LAYER SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN THE LAYERS BENEATH IT. This will help the curly hair to look the same length, instead of looking layered.
    3. Move to a side section and begin cutting the hair in sections starting at the bottom. Comb over hair from the back to measure the length against. Continue cutting, comparing each section to the back section. REMEMBER TO CUT THE TOP LAYER SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN THE OTHER LAYERS.
    4. Repeat on the other side of the head.
  • mar618mar618 Posts: 6Registered Users
    you're right-I did think of this and I am going to use my "normal" method for curly styling and hopefully, it will look fine. Do you have one chunk in the back that's two inches longer than the rest of your hair? I look like I have a mess of layers. I like long, curls--maybe that's the problem? However, my main problem is that I want to be able to wear my hair straight too and I can't (and the stylist told me it wouldn't be a problem to do both.)
  • mar618mar618 Posts: 6Registered Users
    reviews of a deva-trained stylist....
  • 85MR285MR2 Posts: 226Registered Users
    That chunk in the back may have been curling A LOT when it got cut, and now it's relaxed out. After you style it yourself with your products see if it springs back up. If it is still uneven, maybe it was a fluke thing it was curling so much that day. Go back and have her trim it up.

    Going forward, the Deva method looks at each curl individually while dry, so it lays properly when curly. If your curl pattern is uneven (which almost everyone's is), it will look uneven when blown straight. If your intention is to wear it straight, it's not a good method for you. It might be better to cut it wet, then dry it curly and shape it up just a little. That will allow for greater flexibility.
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  • mar618mar618 Posts: 6Registered Users
    I agree with the "over-the-top" alarmists - that's my point...the stylist kept slamming "silicones" but hair dye is "fine?" What can be worse for curly hair girls than hair dye? And, I'm still using permanent color...I think the other poster that said something about people that "pile-on the silicone junk are going to have probs" is also correct...I'm just frustrated because I had a pretty easy life of curly and straight until my stylist retired....I didn't know there was all of this angst out there about curly hair....started with a stylist when I was 17 yrs old, who trained the next one-I was "lucky and care-free" for 30 years. (My hair holds water and I can't stand to be cold and wait for it to dry when it's cold, plus I like the way it looks straight/wavy and curly - I don't style it "totally" straight-it still has a lot of waves and big curls.)
  • mar618mar618 Posts: 6Registered Users
    I was thinking "natural" as in wearing my hair "naturally curly" which has never been like this...I'm starting to think that I'm the only one that was told I wouldn't have a problem wearing my hair "straight" with this cut?

    I told the stylist I had to be able to do both or, I would not have got this style cut - when I have a good cut, the back of my hair looks a lot like the pic of "CurlsAlot" from what I can see....you all look so adorable...not moi
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I think that most who go for a Deva cut wear their hair curly most of the time and occasionally straighten. Perhaps the stylist got confused and didn't know you'd only be wearing curls for 1/4 of a year, and thus a curly based cut would not seem effective at all.
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  • 85MR285MR2 Posts: 226Registered Users
    I'm sorry the stylist didn't educate you about the cut. She should have asked how you usually wear your hair, and if you intend to wear it curly all of the time. It is not a good cut for someone who only intends to wear their hair curly sometimes. Occasional curlys should be cut wet, dried curly, then shaped, NOT cut dry and curly.
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    CONDITION: Jessicurl Too Shea! or Aloeba Conditioner
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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    Deva products don't claim to be natural.

    I don't know about that, they sorta do.... :rolleyes:


    They boast about being "Paraben & Silicone Free, botanically drenched...." blah blah blah

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=72493
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  • 85MR285MR2 Posts: 226Registered Users
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    The site says:

    DevaCurl - Depart from the ordinary with our botanically drenched, 100% sulfate free hair care system. Deva removed the harsh, dehydrating detergents that create lather " which is purely aesthetic and does not clean the hair " and infused a high concentration of cleansing and moisturizing botanicals that rejuvenate, restore, and respect your hair's natural order. For all curl types
    CG since 2/23/10!

    2B 3A mix, fine texture and high porosity at crown/bangs, normal elsewhere. I like protein!

    Trying to grow out a short haircut.

    WASH: Jessicurl Cleansing Cream (once every week or so)
    CONDITION: Jessicurl Too Shea! or Aloeba Conditioner
    STYLE: Jessicurl Gelebration Spray/Awe Inspiraling Spray

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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    85MR2 wrote: »
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.devaconcepts.com%2Fproducts%2F" class="Popup

    The site says:

    DevaCurl - Depart from the ordinary with our botanically drenched, 100% sulfate free hair care system. Deva removed the harsh, dehydrating detergents that create lather " which is purely aesthetic and does not clean the hair " and infused a high concentration of cleansing and moisturizing botanicals that rejuvenate, restore, and respect your hair's natural order. For all curl types
    Yeah so what's your point?? They tell Nc.Com one thing and the site contradicts what they said???

    Gee big surprise :lol: as usual they are never straight with what's in their bottles...........

    why don't you try e-mailing them and see what they say ;)
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  • 85MR285MR2 Posts: 226Registered Users
    I dunnow, I only tried the products once at the salon and didn't care for them at all. Made my hair crunchy and less curly. So I'm no expert. I'm just saying I never thought of them as natural. There's a lot of companies I associate with natural or organic and that's not one of them. Plus, unless you make your own stuff and are meticulous about your ingredients, nothing you buy is going to be all that natural.
    CG since 2/23/10!

    2B 3A mix, fine texture and high porosity at crown/bangs, normal elsewhere. I like protein!

    Trying to grow out a short haircut.

    WASH: Jessicurl Cleansing Cream (once every week or so)
    CONDITION: Jessicurl Too Shea! or Aloeba Conditioner
    STYLE: Jessicurl Gelebration Spray/Awe Inspiraling Spray

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  • 85MR285MR2 Posts: 226Registered Users
    The reason I wanted to try them is because they were silicone free, and since I don't shampoo that is a concern. What a let-down. Cut is nice though.
    CG since 2/23/10!

    2B 3A mix, fine texture and high porosity at crown/bangs, normal elsewhere. I like protein!

    Trying to grow out a short haircut.

    WASH: Jessicurl Cleansing Cream (once every week or so)
    CONDITION: Jessicurl Too Shea! or Aloeba Conditioner
    STYLE: Jessicurl Gelebration Spray/Awe Inspiraling Spray

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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,571Registered Users
    I think that most who go for a Deva cut wear their hair curly most of the time and occasionally straighten. Perhaps the stylist got confused and didn't know you'd only be wearing curls for 1/4 of a year, and thus a curly based cut would not seem effective at all.

    That's what I was thinking. Why pay so much for a devacut if you only wear it curly for 1/4 of the year or less. :? I would think a standard but good cut would suffice.

    But sorry you got a bad cut that you hate. Been there too. :( I've never had a "bad" devacut, but I've had a few and although good, they didn't seem much different than a regular good cut.

    Except Tiffany/StruttsWife -- but hers is not a devacut since she has improved on the idea. :D
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
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  • lizzlebelizzlelizzlebelizzle Posts: 287Registered Users
    Doesn't sound like they even styled her with Deva products -- they used Curlkeeper. MAR618, do you remember what products they used besides that?
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  • eweniqueewenique Posts: 1,502Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Sorry that you aren't happy with your cut. On the other hand, having a great stylist and good cuts for such a long time is something to be thankful for. Many of us have gone years with bad cuts before finding a good stylist.

    You seem to know what your hair likes and dislikes already, so it shouldn't be to hard for you to find a remedy for your current hair troubles. Many of us have had to experiment for a long time to find what works.

    Deva products aren't for everyone. I have an allergic reaction to the smell and don't like the producty feel, but others find that the products work wonders for their hair.

    Your present hair frustrations will soon pass. In the meantime, you can find support on this site. We've all been there at one time or another!
    2C wavy with some spirals. CG since April 07. Medium texture and porosity.
    COs: Yes to Cucumbers
    Stylers: Miss Jessies Coily Custard, KCCC

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  • new2curl2013new2curl2013 Posts: 18Registered Users
    And as for silicones -- it's true that a small amount of silicone won't suffocate your hair. It's just that a lot of people on this site don't use sulfate shampoos regularly and the silicones can build up over time. This actually happened to me. I went through a phase where I was like "Pssssht. It's not gonna hurt anything," and I used silicone hairsprays and conditioners every day and still considering myself "CG" by not using shampoo ever. After a few months of this I was wondering why my hair was feeling so dry and why my curls weren't as tight as they used to be, and when I went in for a haircut at an Aveda salon, the stylist scraped one of my hairs with a razor and all of this white stuff came off -- it was layers and layers of buildup. Once I got this stuff off of my hair and started making sure it was well-moisturized, my hair started looking and feeling a lot better.

    So there's nothing really wrong with silicones as long as you're prepared to wash them off with sulfates regularly. [/QUOTE]

    Thank you for the information! I've been having problems finding "silicone free" gels and have gone "sulfate free"...getting blah curls lately. So do I have to wash with sulfates? I don't want to undo the healthier, more moisturized hair I have when I'm removing it. I >love< your curls! Any suggestions?
    Hair type: still trying to figure that out
    Hair info (I think): coarse / medium-high porosity / medium density / long (past elbows but want to donate ASAP)

    Still Trying to Decide What's Best for Me!
    Co-wash: As I Am Coconut Co-Wash
    Conditioner: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Leave-in: As I Am Leave-In
    Styling: Garnier Pure & Clean gel
  • selfcurledgirlselfcurledgirl Posts: 516Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    My first reaction was that curlkeeper is not a deva product. I used to use it and swear by it but when I went for styling once at the main devachan salon in nyc the stylist said it was sticky and not good for my hair so I stopped using it. I found I didn't need it. Also, ouidad tends to use a lot of product but not devachan. I think you got a stylist who was not well trained.
    Hair type, thin, 3b, past my shoulders always looking for length. Use jessicurl hair cleansing cream, devacurl one c, angel, set it free, Always see a deva trained stylist for cut and Aveda Institute for color.
  • Geek_ChicGeek_Chic Posts: 1,255Registered Users
    And as for silicones -- it's true that a small amount of silicone won't suffocate your hair. It's just that a lot of people on this site don't use sulfate shampoos regularly and the silicones can build up over time. This actually happened to me. I went through a phase where I was like "Pssssht. It's not gonna hurt anything," and I used silicone hairsprays and conditioners every day and still considering myself "CG" by not using shampoo ever. After a few months of this I was wondering why my hair was feeling so dry and why my curls weren't as tight as they used to be, and when I went in for a haircut at an Aveda salon, the stylist scraped one of my hairs with a razor and all of this white stuff came off -- it was layers and layers of buildup. Once I got this stuff off of my hair and started making sure it was well-moisturized, my hair started looking and feeling a lot better.

    So there's nothing really wrong with silicones as long as you're prepared to wash them off with sulfates regularly.

    Thank you for the information! I've been having problems finding "silicone free" gels and have gone "sulfate free"...getting blah curls lately. So do I have to wash with sulfates? I don't want to undo the healthier, more moisturized hair I have when I'm removing it. I >love< your curls! Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

    You don't need to wash with sulfates to remove silicones. A silicone free low poo (sulfate free shampoo) that contains Cocamidopropyl Betaine or Cocobetaine will remove all silicones, even those that aren't water soluble. You don't mention anything about your hair properties (coarse or fine strands, high or low porosity, lots of hair or a little), or your curl pattern, but many with fine or wavy hair can't exclusively cowash. Instead they use a low poo as needed, something mentioned in the Curly Girl book as a recommendation for those with wavy hair.

    I'm not sure where you're located, but there are several silicone free gels available in places like Walmart here in the USA. LA Looks gels are silicone free, as is Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee. Herbal Essences Totally Twisted has only a water soluble 'cone that will cowash away, and their Set Me Up gel should be 'cone free (check the ingredients). Garnier's Pure Clean line is all silicone free and if I recall they have a gel and a curl cream. Sally's has some silicone free gels too.
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    2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

    Go To Products /Routine:
    Clarifying: Suave Essentials Strawberry
    Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
    CO: Suave Essentials Strawberry, V05 Kiwi Lime
    RO /LI: Tresemme Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Suave Essentials Strawberry, Renpure Brazilian Keratin (old formula)
    Stylers: LALSG, AIF, HETT, Suave Professionals Firm Control
    PT: IAGirl's as needed
  • new2curl2013new2curl2013 Posts: 18Registered Users
    I live in northern West Virginia, USA...we have Walmart and Sally's. I think part of my problem is I'm still new to my curls, and I have been overwhelmed by all the different options available. I also need a major hair cut - was growing my hair REALLY long to be able to donate to Locks of Love and still have long hair after the fact when I "discovered" my love of my curls. So, now I'm learning to best care for my curls and also scared of getting a bad hair cut that would ruin my progress since I haven't straightened my hair in a while (it's a fluffy mess every time I've tried my old routines anymore). I think I'm just a mess! LOL
    Hair type: still trying to figure that out
    Hair info (I think): coarse / medium-high porosity / medium density / long (past elbows but want to donate ASAP)

    Still Trying to Decide What's Best for Me!
    Co-wash: As I Am Coconut Co-Wash
    Conditioner: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Leave-in: As I Am Leave-In
    Styling: Garnier Pure & Clean gel
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