MASTERPOST: Types of Frizz

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  • s-curl-7s-curl-7 Posts: 193Registered Users
    Bumping.

    Something strange that I've noticed: on day 1 my hair looks and feels soft. Once it starts to get frizzy (often day 2), it feels drier. I think it is both because it has actually lost some moisture, but not only: if I twirl a frizzy curl a bit it feels softer. Don't know if this makes any sense - hard to describe.

    The bit about frizzy tubes made me laugh - I've had this (along with several of the other frizz types)!

    One thing that really helps me with frizz is to sort of smooth the curls and get them to clump. I do this when I've put in products, and use both a comb and my Denman. This is a really key step - if I don't do this properly I get much more frizz. Sometimes I need to finish off with combing again - if the Denman has gotten my hairs to sort of lie along the same line, but broken up the clumps. It's partly about product distribution, but partly about getting the strands to not struggle in different directions. Again not sure if my explanation makes sense.
    _____________
    3a; med-coarse; ii; med or high porosity (or a mix); med elasticity
    LOVE CJ products but CJ is no longer sold in Europe and does not ship to Europe so looking for other products. Like Crown Pride and Curly Kinks.
    Tools: curlease towel, wide toothed plastic comb, Braun Satin Pro Diffuser.
    Current HG: CJ CCCC-lite+BRHG
    http://public.fotki.com/s-curl-7/
  • OnyxCabeloOnyxCabelo Posts: 1,767Registered Users
    Thanks Laurabeth:toothy10:!! I've been having issues with frizz and oils. Most of the products I've been using have oils in them, and by accident the other day, I discovered that the oils were really my problem with the "odd" looking frizz that I was getting.

    I kept scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be that my hair would rather not have oil on it, and apparently it's because it was suffocating - very interesting.

    Since I've stopped using products with oil in it, my definition has been fabulous and my hair actually feels softer.

    I have very coarse hair, so soft is relative in my case, but it's softer than it ever was when I used products with oils.

    Now, I just have to find some good conditioning oil free products to take me through this cold winter.I'm open to suggestions:D.
    Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

    Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
    BC: July 21, 2008
    Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

    Certified Denirophile:love5:

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein
  • OnduleeOndulee Posts: 1,305Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    s-curl-7 your curls are wonderful. I love your avatar and your fotki,
    shoulder length bob; fine; 3A-3B; thin density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; needs moisturizing products and hates oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10


  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    OnyxCabelo wrote: »
    Thanks Laurabeth:toothy10:!! I've been having issues with frizz and oils. Most of the products I've been using have oils in them, and by accident the other day, I discovered that the oils were really my problem with the "odd" looking frizz that I was getting.

    I kept scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be that my hair would rather not have oil on it, and apparently it's because it was suffocating - very interesting.

    Since I've stopped using products with oil in it, my definition has been fabulous and my hair actually feels softer.

    I have very coarse hair, so soft is relative in my case, but it's softer than it ever was when I used products with oils.

    Now, I just have to find some good conditioning oil free products to take me through this cold winter.I'm open to suggestions:D.


    I wanted to add a little more about oils, especially for coarse hair. In my opinion, certain oils can cause your hair to feel dry, crimpy, and straw like, as well as frizz. In addition to the suffocation problem, you have to consider an oils relationship to protein. In general, if you have coarse hair, you want to avoid coconut, jojoba and IMO wheat germ oil. Overuse of these oils have caused frizz in my hair.

    Coconut oil prevents protein loss and may even work to strengthen the protein in hair. For coarse hair, which has too much protein, this is a disaster. Also avoid coconut milk/coconut cream. When I use too much coconut problems I my hair sticks out like I've been electrocuted. The curl definition separates and there just is a big frizzy (a beit glossy) mess.

    Jojoba and wheat germ contain small amounts of protein. Depending on where in the ingredient list these oils are, the product may contain high amounts of protein from these oils. There is still a debate about the protein content in wheat germ oil. I think, if you have coarse hair you should avoid it.

    Suffocation caused by oils may have to do with their absorption rate. Oils can either be absorbed fast, average or prolonged. It is the prolonged one that concern me. They may sit on the cuticle and potentially cause suffocation. For instance, avocado, castor, fractionated coconut oils have prolonged absorption, meaning they can sit on the hair surface for a long time. Unrefined coconut oil and lanolin fail to absorb at all. Olive olive, jojoba, macadamia nut oil absorbtion rates are fast. These oils sink more readily into hair and skin, thus they don't leave a greasy feel. Since they sink in pretty fast, my theory is they also won't cause suffocation if not overused.

    I'm going to start a thread on oils so maybe others can chime in with info. edited: see thread "Oils-the good, the bad, and the ugly"

    I hope this also helped.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • caracara01caracara01 Posts: 119Registered Users
    bump
    Coily/low porosity/fine
    BC 08*14*09
  • OnyxCabeloOnyxCabelo Posts: 1,767Registered Users
    belasuna wrote: »
    OnyxCabelo wrote: »
    Thanks Laurabeth:toothy10:!! I've been having issues with frizz and oils. Most of the products I've been using have oils in them, and by accident the other day, I discovered that the oils were really my problem with the "odd" looking frizz that I was getting.

    I kept scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be that my hair would rather not have oil on it, and apparently it's because it was suffocating - very interesting.

    Since I've stopped using products with oil in it, my definition has been fabulous and my hair actually feels softer.

    I have very coarse hair, so soft is relative in my case, but it's softer than it ever was when I used products with oils.

    Now, I just have to find some good conditioning oil free products to take me through this cold winter.I'm open to suggestions:D.


    I wanted to add a little more about oils, especially for coarse hair. In my opinion, certain oils can cause your hair to feel dry, crimpy, and straw like, as well as frizz. In addition to the suffocation problem, you have to consider an oils relationship to protein. In general, if you have coarse hair, you want to avoid coconut, jojoba and IMO wheat germ oil. Overuse of these oils have caused frizz in my hair.

    Coconut oil prevents protein loss and may even work to strengthen the protein in hair. For coarse hair, which has too much protein, this is a disaster. Also avoid coconut milk/coconut cream. When I use too much coconut problems I my hair sticks out like I've been electrocuted. The curl definition separates and there just is a big frizzy (a beit glossy) mess.

    Jojoba and wheat germ contain small amounts of protein. Depending on where in the ingredient list these oils are, the product may contain high amounts of protein from these oils. There is still a debate about the protein content in wheat germ oil. I think, if you have coarse hair you should avoid it.

    Suffocation caused by oils may have to do with their absorption rate. Oils can either be absorbed fast, average or prolonged. It is the prolonged one that concern me. They may sit on the cuticle and potentially cause suffocation. For instance, avocado, castor, fractionated coconut oils have prolonged absorption, meaning they can sit on the hair surface for a long time. Unrefined coconut oil and lanolin fail to absorb at all. Olive olive, jojoba, macadamia nut oil absorbtion rates are fast. These oils sink more readily into hair and skin, thus they don't leave a greasy feel. Since they sink in pretty fast, my theory is they also won't cause suffocation if not overused.

    I'm going to start a thread on oils so maybe others can chime in with info. edited: see thread "Oils-the good, the bad, and the ugly"

    I hope this also helped.

    I appreciate it - thank you:flower:. My hair didn't like olive oil either though, so I don't know - I think my hair is just being a snot:D.
    Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

    Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
    BC: July 21, 2008
    Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

    Certified Denirophile:love5:

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein
  • s-curl-7s-curl-7 Posts: 193Registered Users
    Frizzly wrote: »
    s-curl-7 your curls are wonderful. I love your avatar and your fotki,

    Thank you!

    Re oils: for I can't use pure oil on my hair but my hair seems to like products with oils in them.
    _____________
    3a; med-coarse; ii; med or high porosity (or a mix); med elasticity
    LOVE CJ products but CJ is no longer sold in Europe and does not ship to Europe so looking for other products. Like Crown Pride and Curly Kinks.
    Tools: curlease towel, wide toothed plastic comb, Braun Satin Pro Diffuser.
    Current HG: CJ CCCC-lite+BRHG
    http://public.fotki.com/s-curl-7/
  • Yes, Still PaulaYes, Still Paula Posts: 485Registered Users
    BUMP

    Are there any recommended products for each type of frizz?
  • born2bcurlyborn2bcurly Posts: 78Registered Users
    :arrow: In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

    :arrow: Frizzy Tubes--This is a love-hate type of frizz. On one side, it doesn't allow curls to be broken up by the frizz. On the other hand, the curls, which are formed into non-enlongated, Shirley Temple ringlets, are frizzy in that tubular shape, hence the name Frizzy Tubes.

    :arrow: Fluffy Frizz--Unlike poofball where all definition is gone, fluffy frizz exists when individual strips of definition can be identified but each one is fluffy with frizz. This is often rooted in a lack of moisture.


    If im not wrong I have all 3. I have curls nice 3b curls but there are lots of hair strands that dont curl with the curl which makes my curls look alittle poofy. What is the differnce betweem In the curls frizz and frizzy tubes? About the frizz in the curls I mean what can I do to fix it?
    3b/3c hair
    texture-medium
    porosity-high unfortunetly
    Cowash-suave naturals
    leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
    gel-he smu
    still working on routine
    CG since-2-2-10:wav:

    canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
  • born2bcurlyborn2bcurly Posts: 78Registered Users
    bump
    3b/3c hair
    texture-medium
    porosity-high unfortunetly
    Cowash-suave naturals
    leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
    gel-he smu
    still working on routine
    CG since-2-2-10:wav:

    canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
  • empressriempressri Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    surface frizz, something im plagued it. i playfully nicknamed it "5 year old hair", cause it reminds me of when i was little and my hair got fuzzy.
    Lady Hasytal in the Land of Product in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
    "Trust is knowing your SO would do the right thing in the face of strange vagina." Nej
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  • born2bcurlyborn2bcurly Posts: 78Registered Users
    bump
    3b/3c hair
    texture-medium
    porosity-high unfortunetly
    Cowash-suave naturals
    leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
    gel-he smu
    still working on routine
    CG since-2-2-10:wav:

    canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    OMG! This makes my head spin!:compress:
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse
  • spoogeywoogeyspoogeywoogey Posts: 10Registered Users
    Just came across this thread. WOW!! Explains a lot about frizz. Definitely valuable info.

    I was wondering if anyone knows how to tackle the frizzy/frayed ends? I've tried EVERYTHING under the sun, including cutting them off, but they still COME BACK. :sad1:

    Does anyone have a good regimen or could direct me to a thread that tackles this problem?

    Thanks in advance.
  • essyvaloessyvalo Posts: 105Registered Users
    wow! Lots of frizz types!!!! I need to read it again, i dunno which type of frizz i have!

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    Very high dews (70°F or more) and lots of humidity (above 80%)
    3a/3b mostly, normal porosity, medium texture (I think)

    Sometimes I use: TRESemme flawless curls shampoo
    Co-wash: Suave Green Apple
    Conditioner: Garnier Fructis Oil Repair
    Styling: Flaxseed gel, shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie

    Still experimenting...

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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  • earlybirdiecurlsearlybirdiecurls Posts: 87Registered Users
    My bottom-most layer of curls has generally been a layer of frizz when it dries, no curls, just frizzy-frizz-frizz. I'm not exactly what type it is, I'm pretty sure my hair is usually...

    slight surface frizz, then at the very bottom like I said, just poofball frizz.
    mod cg since feb. 18th, 2010 :toothy10:
    2b/2c, pretty porous and slightly elastic.
    garnier fructis s&s, hesmu, and biotera curl creme.

  • CurlyPolkaDotCurlyPolkaDot Posts: 1,174Registered Users
    Bump
    2c/3a - M/C - ii/iii
    Countess DuckyDot :duckie: , Keeper of the book of Vegetarianism and Arty Pants, Leader of the Curly Ducks in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

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  • vain???janevain???jane Posts: 197Registered Users
    i'm fine with most frizz, with me being a type 4 and all, but i really hate the frizzy tubes. they look so strange lol. ♥
    Last Relaxer: Feb 2009
    BC: Feb 2010

    fy05ec.jpg

    my fotki, updated 2.01.11 ♥
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Posts: 355Registered Users
    Bump
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • AsLckyGrlAsLckyGrl Posts: 188Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    bumpity!
    3B ; BSL; Low Porosity; Med Texture; CG since July '10.
    Clean: Ever Sleek
    Treat: EVCO, Neutrogena 3xMoisture
    Tools: Boar Brush, wide tooth comb
    Styler: Garnier Sleek&Shine
  • Fii_RoseFii_Rose Posts: 79Registered Users
    Love it, not I just need to know how to fix my frizz!!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ... my big usual smile for multicultcurly :P

    :toothy4: 3 b/c bsl length ridiculously thick brown curls with blonde highlights

    I'm really like my curls but rarely wear my hair fully down as it isn't really styled and tends to go bushy

    ... really seeking an edgy indie style cut that suits my hair type, but wont make the move till I'm sure its right for me as I have been growing my hair to this point for so long :toothy4:
  • mamaherreramamaherrera Posts: 886Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This is my frizz exactly. Can someone name this and offer solutions, por favor, please!! This has been my case since I've been using KCCC and coconut oil. I have med-coarse hair.
    essyvalo wrote: »
    wow! Lots of frizz types!!!! I need to read it again, i dunno which type of frizz i have!

    24255_1454633328116_1301803570_1313765_1891163_n.jpg
    2c
    Medium texture
    Normal porosity
    Normal elasticity
    can get weighed down with lots of oils
    Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
    Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
    Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
    Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
    Gel: Kiss my face gel
    DT:Jessicurl
    Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
    working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
  • lcl0706lcl0706 Posts: 959Registered Users
    That's the kind of frizz I get too!! ^^
    :wave: fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

    Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
    Poo: Giovanni 50:50
    RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
    LI: KCKT
    PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
    Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
    Gels: SCC spray gel

    hairsiggy-4-1.jpg
  • NynaveyNynavey Posts: 20Registered Users
    I get this same kind of frizz as this last photograph also. Can someone speculate on what type it is and give it a name?

    I read through this post and the descriptions are great, but I'm still not getting clear understanding of what reads like subtle differences between all the different types.

    Anyone care to identify the frizz in this last photo (and share their own so we can see examples)?
    *************
    3a/3b hair, baby fine texture, just past shoulders
    Currently returning to a CO routine
  • mamaherreramamaherrera Posts: 886Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm one of you all waiting for an answer, but I'll share something that helped a lot for me. Smoeone, in another thread, since no one has offered us help here, mentioned that they had something similar to me and it was because I was getting too much protein. Now I knew I wasn't supposed to use protein much based on my hair analysis, BUT I just assumed that protein, meant "don't do protein treatments" I never thought or knew that conditioners, rinse outs, gels, etc could also contribute and when I checked my stuff, everything had protein. so I switched stuff, and get this. . . . about 85% of the frizz was gone!! Amazing. Who knows if this is everyone's case, but that's mine.
    2c
    Medium texture
    Normal porosity
    Normal elasticity
    can get weighed down with lots of oils
    Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
    Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
    Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
    Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
    Gel: Kiss my face gel
    DT:Jessicurl
    Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
    working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    I'm one of you all waiting for an answer, but I'll share something that helped a lot for me. Smoeone, in another thread, since no one has offered us help here, mentioned that they had something similar to me and it was because I was getting too much protein. Now I knew I wasn't supposed to use protein much based on my hair analysis, BUT I just assumed that protein, meant "don't do protein treatments" I never thought or knew that conditioners, rinse outs, gels, etc could also contribute and when I checked my stuff, everything had protein. so I switched stuff, and get this. . . . about 85% of the frizz was gone!! Amazing. Who knows if this is everyone's case, but that's mine.

    I had the same thing going on. When I washed my hair it felt dry, even when wet. And when I squeezed the water out after washing and co-ing it, it was one big frizzy, knotty, dry mess. So I moisturized it, leaving protein out this time, and after a couple of times DT my hair started to feel soft again.
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • lcl0706lcl0706 Posts: 959Registered Users
    This is my frizz exactly. Can someone name this and offer solutions, por favor, please!! This has been my case since I've been using KCCC and coconut oil. I have med-coarse hair.
    essyvalo wrote: »
    wow! Lots of frizz types!!!! I need to read it again, i dunno which type of frizz i have!

    24255_1454633328116_1301803570_1313765_1891163_n.jpg

    I am shamelessly bumping this thread, because this is the kind of frizz I'm still getting, and I donno what kind it is, what's causing it, or how to fix it!
    :wave: fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

    Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
    Poo: Giovanni 50:50
    RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
    LI: KCKT
    PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
    Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
    Gels: SCC spray gel

    hairsiggy-4-1.jpg
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    lcl0706 wrote: »
    This is my frizz exactly. Can someone name this and offer solutions, por favor, please!! This has been my case since I've been using KCCC and coconut oil. I have med-coarse hair.
    essyvalo wrote: »
    wow! Lots of frizz types!!!! I need to read it again, i dunno which type of frizz i have!

    24255_1454633328116_1301803570_1313765_1891163_n.jpg

    I am shamelessly bumping this thread, because this is the kind of frizz I'm still getting, and I donno what kind it is, what's causing it, or how to fix it!

    What products are you using? For me this type of frizz occurs when I use a combo of mag. sulfate (salt) and oil. Or something with honey. Marshmallow root contains "sugars" as well, so that could be it.

    To solve it: try using an oil first on wet hair, for sealing and clumping evenly, then another product for curlformation and/or a gel.
    HTH
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
  • lcl0706lcl0706 Posts: 959Registered Users
    What kind of oil do you suggest?

    It happens regardless of products. Ive gone product-less, ive used a lot of LI, less LI, deep conditioners, lighter CO's, PT's, products w/protein & products w/o, and didnt notice a difference when i used mag sulfate or not.

    Sent from my PG06100 using CurlTalk App
    :wave: fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

    Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
    Poo: Giovanni 50:50
    RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
    LI: KCKT
    PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
    Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
    Gels: SCC spray gel

    hairsiggy-4-1.jpg
  • rapunzel4everrapunzel4ever Posts: 557Registered Users
    I use mostly coconut oil. Sometimes Jessicurl Confident Coils styling solution, for sealing.
    2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
    Routine:
    Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
    RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
    acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
    LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
    Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP, JCCC, BRHG
    Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
    KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl

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