MASTERPOST: Types of Frizz

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  • TwistedChickTwistedChick Posts: 58Registered Users
    AngieCurls wrote:
    jen4you wrote:
    How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?

    The company would have to advertise it. I *think* polyquaterniums/quaterniums are charged in nature, but, of course, the concentration would be a question.

    so polyquats are good for frizz?

    No, it sounds to me like they can cause frizz. Am I reading correctly?

    2c (Fia) with some 3a in the middle layer
  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    Laurabeth: What is it called when you have what seems like curlier coaser hair that won't cooperate with the rest of the curls?

  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Delma wrote:
    Laurabeth: What is it called when you have what seems like curlier coarser hair that won't cooperate with the rest of the curls?

    :arrow: Wiry Frizz --individual hairs that are coarse and wiry; frequently, these hairs are gray which causes the wiry texture.
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    Delma wrote:
    Laurabeth: What is it called when you have what seems like curlier coarser hair that won't cooperate with the rest of the curls?

    :arrow: Wiry Frizz --individual hairs that are coarse and wiry; frequently, these hairs are gray which causes the wiry texture.

    Mines not gray, but I'm glad to know what to call it now. Thanks a bunch :D

  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    How do I tame this type of frizz?

  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Delma wrote:
    How do I tame this type of frizz?

    This is one of the absolute toughest ones to tame. I've found 2 things really make a difference.

    1. Coloring your hair, even just with a clear coat since your wiry frizz isn't gray. This is counterintuitive since it's damaging to color your hair, but it seemed to help because the hair shaft is opened and filled with either color or clear coat and then forced closed again.

    2. I've helped mine some between colorings with layering creams/thicker leave-ins under my stylers. This only really helps in cooler temps because, for me in FL, warmer temps mean high humidity and the other frizz types rear their fury when I use thicker creams/leave-ins in warmer temps.
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    Thanks laurabeth :D

  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Delma wrote:
    How do I tame this type of frizz?

    This is one of the absolute toughest ones to tame. I've found 2 things really make a difference.

    1. Coloring your hair, even just with a clear coat since your wiry frizz isn't gray. This is counterintuitive since it's damaging to color your hair, but it seemed to help because the hair shaft is opened and filled with either color or clear coat and then forced closed again.

    2. I've helped mine some between colorings with layering creams/thicker leave-ins under my stylers. This only really helps in cooler temps because, for me in FL, warmer temps mean high humidity and the other frizz types rear their fury when I use thicker creams/leave-ins in warmer temps.

    I think there is something to that. My nape frizz is either wiry or crimped. It is mostly a clump of individual hairs that "curl" at right angles or just fly frizzily straight. I think that some is due to nature as that clump has been bothersome since at least the age of 5.

    You can see some of it here.

    http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paulooly/album/576460762350227230/photo/294928803752361964/5

    It does behave better the first week to 10 days after coloring. After that, I think that section could be DT'd every day and not get overconditioned.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • DoodlesDoodles Posts: 1,984Registered Users
    I thought this might come in handy for the summer :)
    2A/2B, fine, normal porosity

    Growing out a pixie as of November 2013 :elephant:

    Shampoo: Elucence MBS & Renpure Originals Argan Oil
    Conditioner: Elucence MBC & Renpure Originals Argan Oil
    Leave-in: CJ BeautiCurls
    Stylers: BA gel & AG Re:coil

    Product Junkie that keeps falling off the wagon!:tongue3:
  • MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Awesome thread. :D Thanks, Laurabeth33!
    2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Laurabeth - I have been seeing some frizz while applying products when wet - do you remember which ones caused yours?? Mine seems to be more prevalent if I dont use a cream under my gel. Since I have been using a cream under they are much less.

    ETA - maybe it's just the humidity lately too.
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    xcptnl, I call that "frizz upon application" when I'm reviewing things. It's usually caused (for me) by (A) suffocating ingreds like waxes or large amounts of oils like castor oil or (B) something my hair likes fine in winter but is not liking in summer (usually something with oils).

    Basically, it's my hair's way of saying "hey, what do you think you're doing?!? don't you know the humidity is 97%, and my cuticle is gapping open? I don't want that stuff in here! Get it off! Get it off!" (yes, my hair talks :wink: )
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Thanks so much (I wish my hair would talk - it would make things sooo much easier). It seems better now that I am using a small amount of cj cocoa coffee curl cream first. I dont use any oils so it's not that but maybe it was the heavier conditioner I was using prior to the products being applied. I had been using the GF CnS leave in - it might have been that too. It was weird - I had never seen frizz when applying before - very scary :shock:
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    bump
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • DitdahDitdah Posts: 151Registered Users
    Thanks for the link, xcptnl! And what a great "article" Laurabeth!

    I'm trying to figure out which type I have... I first jumped on the "surface frizz" one, because it's all over the surface of the hair. However, it's underneath, as well - not just on he top.

    I think I might have a comcbnation of in-the-curls frizz and surface frizz. There is a layer over the entire surface that is hairs seperated from their curls and are just a fuzzy layer lying on top.

    I also have some frizz in the curls themselves, but it's different - hairs that kind of fray off from their clumps. They are still curled well, they just didn't "stick" to the curls they should be in. This is most ofthen the type of frizz I see as soon as I start moving my hair - even before I put product in. Sometimes it's even more than one hair - almost like seperate, really skinny curls that's didn't stay with their clumps.

    Does the combo of these two mean I am lacking in moisture? Do I need to DT, or rinse lese CO out of my hair?
    2B/3A, THICK. CG since 6/5/07
    Alternating Deva LoPoo/VO5 Kiwi Lime, OneC, re:coil, Alagio Curl Cream, LTW, LOOB.
    Always looking to buy/swap for re:coil, Deva Brown stuff
    PW: hair
  • aaa00aaaa00a Posts: 284Registered Users
    I definitely have poofy frizz hair. My hair is curly when it's wet, but as it dries the curls disappear and I end up with zero curls. Just a big mess of hairs that don't touch each other. My hair is naturally quite thick, but it's 100x thicker with the poofy frizz. It's also super dry and brittle.

    I really want my hair to be curly, but no matter what products I've tried it doesn't seem to happen.

    Been trying for my entire life to get nice hair. (I'm 24 and have had frizz since I was 3 years old.)
    Wavy, dry, protein sensitive, coarse, highly overly porus, very low elasticity, medium-thick density, very prone to split ends
    Avoids: Sulphates, Silicones, Protein, Mineral oil, Petroleum, Polyquaternium, Sodium/Magnesium, Heat
    Mod-CG since June 2007
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Bumping up!
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    bump for RozettaStone
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Bumping up!
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    bump :wink:
    "Wonder Twin Powers, Activate! "
  • tinabcurlytinabcurly Posts: 545Registered Users
    bumping for summer!:iconbiggrin:
    3a/b mix
    pw:curlyqs
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users Curl Novice
    bump
  • misfitcurlsmisfitcurls Posts: 736Registered Users Curl Novice
    i have wind blown frizz
    (i own a jeep)
    anytime my hair gets blown around the top half (from my eyes up) gets all undefined and (shorter pieces) tend to stick up and (longer pieces) lay on top of my pretty defined curls
    how do i fix/avoid that (minus avoiding all wind... not possible!)
    HENNA HEAD
    3B just past BSL in back (when curly)
    CG since 3/08
    HG's:biolage condtioning balm and kpak (both the generic value versions)
    overnight plop with a flour sack the strutt way
    honey after leave-in
    satin sleep cap & shea butter for day 2 hair
    USING:KCKT&KCCC(its my HG :))
    ALSO LOVE:jessicurl aloeba leave-in, rr, ccss
    http://public.fotki.com/misfitcurls/
    by: Riot Crrl!
    I think you could walk around with words and stick people drawn on your face and still look supercute.
  • VerityVerity Posts: 616Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Just for whatever it's worth, allover hair color definitely makes my hair less likely to frizz. I can tell I need color without looking at my roots because my hair becomes so unmanageable when it hasn't been colored. Highlighting does the opposite: makes it drier and more frizz-prone.

    Does humidity-induced frizz get its own category? I love my hair in winter, but hate it in summer when the humidity is high.
  • wavycurly40+wavycurly40+ Posts: 2,017Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm bumping this again.

    And can I just say..... oh... my.... God!

    I thought I had one problem -- sounds like it might be several! I have so many of those, I'm not even sure where to start.

    And since it seems like any number of product ingredients can improve (or worsen!) the problem, it looks like I am going to be trying new products.... forever!

    Has anyone found a systematic way to do this? Everything has such a combination of ingredients -- I suppose I can try to group them, alternating ones with more/less/different types of oils, more/less/different types /no proteins, glycerin/no glycerin/more or less glycerin, etc.......but what about all those "filler" ingredients with 25 syllables that they all have? (methylhydroxyethylcellulocinnimate, anyone???? ok, I made that up).

    And products are only part of it -- there are also styling techniques, humidity, hormones, phases of the moon....

    I'm going to run out of time and money. Maybe I'll have to accept that, into each life, some frizz must fall...

    ugh. Sorry for rant.

    Wurly and proud!
    Modified CG since 2008.
  • That70sHeidiThat70sHeidi Posts: 34Registered Users
    What is "suffocation," what causes it, how can you know if it's happening, and what's the remedy?
    2A/B, F, i - thinning on top due to meds
    Above-shoulder length, can't plop!
    Using: VO5 Tea Therapy Blackberry Cond (cowash), LA Looks Mega Hold gel
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    What is "suffocation," what causes it, how can you know if it's happening, and what's the remedy?

    Suffocation is when some ingredient(s), either that didn't rinse off in the shower (from a conditioner, for example) or from a styler/leave-in applied after showering. For me, it can be a -siloxane, wax, or combination of ingredients (in other words, I can tell from my hair crimping up in a wiry scream that it's suffocated, but no ingredient sticks out as the culprit).

    I know it's happening because the frizz looks wiry and crimped, like the individual hairs have wrinkled intensely.

    The only cure is (A) stop using the new/offending product and (B) possibly clarify to remove any buildup from a resilliant offender (if avoiding the new product doesn't return my curls to normal non-crimped-ness).
    2b w/ some 3a
    product tester geek
  • loewinloewin Posts: 246Registered Users
    Hey there. I was wondering if it was ever stated anywhere what types of products were better for treating each of the dift. types of frizz? I seen some suggestions for certain types of frizz... but I seem to have several of these issues going on. Maybe they were stated and I just didn't understand?
    Very basic hair wiki :sign9:
    http://curlyhairwiki.wetpaint.com/
    In depth wikis :sign9:
    http://curlyhair.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

    http://curltalk.net:8080/web/guest/wiki;jsessionid=56628865A9EAD858B89DF7BC9CB6D285

    2b/3a medium/coarse semi-porous/iii
    White Rain Ocean Mist GVP conditioning balm. Bioterra/LA Looks. Air dry. SOTC w/LOOB..I think its my first HG. :love1:
    Experimenting with homemade recipes.:happy5:
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Bump
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • OnduleeOndulee Posts: 1,305Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    bumping again
    shoulder length bob; fine; 3A-3B; thin density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; needs moisturizing products and hates oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10


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