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MASTERPOST: Types of Frizz

This thread existed before, and it was a frequently bumped one. I thought I'd start it again.

There are many types of frizz referenced on the boards.

:arrow: Surface Frizz--This is frizz that is only on the outer layer of the hair, not in-the-curls or underneath. It is most frequently airy and light in nature and can be exacerbated by humidity. Individual hairs are seen separated from the others but instead regions of hair seem to be lifted up and laying on top of the hair like a fuzzy layer.

:arrow: Halo Frizz--This is surface frizz that is only in the crown area.

:arrow: Frizz at Ends/Frayed Ends Frizz--This is the opposite of Halo Frizz. The ends of the curls are the area with the frizz. Frequently, the frizz breaking up the curls only at the ends makes the ends look "frayed." It is usually tied to a lack of sufficient moisture since the ends are the driest part of a person's hair, having faced the most environmental and chemical abuse simply from existing the longest outside of the scalp and dead.

:arrow: In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

:arrow: Frizzy Tubes--This is a love-hate type of frizz. On one side, it doesn't allow curls to be broken up by the frizz. On the other hand, the curls, which are formed into non-enlongated, Shirley Temple ringlets, are frizzy in that tubular shape, hence the name Frizzy Tubes.

:arrow: Crimped Frizz--This frizz looks wiry and individual hairs are crinkled and crimped. The cause of this frizz is usually suffocation, often compounded by heat and humidity.

:arrow: Producty Frizz--Where there is fake shine and frizz, there's producty frizz, a type of frizz that looks like a layer of product is on the hair but not acting to prevent the frizz. Often, this makes the frizz more apparent, even when it's less intense than with other products. Castor oil and heavy use of silicones are common causes of this type of frizz.

:arrow: Dry Frizz--Instead of the hair looking strong and rebellious, dry frizz looks frazzled and bone-dry. Because the cuticle of wavy and curly hair is more lifted, allowing moisture to escape, we are more prone to dryness, and therefore, dry frizz can be part of a curly's struggle. Dry Frizz feels dry, but often it looks even drier than it feels.

:arrow: Spider Weby Frizz--This frizz looks like a web of individual hairs separated, mainly on the surface, and are laying across the surface of the hair in places they don't belong. The number and density of hairs who are individually separated and laying separate from their curl-homes determines the intensity of this type of frizz. The cause can be multi-facetted but includes not enough hold, wind, naps, and ionic charges on the hair being too similar one to another so the hairs repel from each other.

:arrow: Flyaway Frizz--While this is similar to Spider Weby Frizz in that it's based in individual hair's separation and is surface-bound. However, instead of the hairs laying along the surface of the hair in a web-like netting, these hairs stick out away from the rest of the hair. They are frequently in the length rather than the top as well.

:arrow: Frizz Upon Application/Scrunching--A handful of products that I've tried gave me frizz either upon being applied to my hair or while my hair was still wet and I was scrunching after applying gel. This is always a bad sign because, in either case, my hair is wet and shouldn't be frizzing yet. Usually, this is an indication of either intense suffocation of the hair (later to become crimped frizz) or a dominant ionic charge repelling my hairs from each other.

:arrow: Poofball Frizz--This kind of frizz allows no curl to survive. Any kind of frizz can lead to it, but once there is zero definition or order to the curls or wavy, it's poofball frizz. Frizz can be poofball and another type (like poofball and crimped).

:arrow: Fluffy Frizz--Unlike poofball where all definition is gone, fluffy frizz exists when individual strips of definition can be identified but each one is fluffy with frizz. This is often rooted in a lack of moisture.

:arrow: General Frizz--This term means the frizz didn't have any particular characteristics dominant enough to diagnose the type of frizz.

Have I missed any?
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  • HippieChicHippieChic Posts: 252Registered Users
    This is some great information! Thanks Laurabeth. I think I've had all of them at one time or another.
  • DolphinCurlsDolphinCurls Posts: 370Registered Users
    Very interesting and helpful! :D
    3A/2C combination of ringlets and waves :nike:
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    hey laurabeth! great list :) but for me i feel one of the frizz's (fluffy frizz) isnt caused by lack of moisture but too much ie. overconditioning. maybe have one in there for that, or edit fluffy frizz to include over conditioning? or does 'frizz' mean the hair is dry and therefore overconditioning doesnt count?

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  • JuicyTubeJuicyTube Posts: 2,369Registered Users
    :shock:
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  • one way streetone way street Posts: 772Registered Users
    Wow laurabeth, your the all-knowing curly!
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  • embudiniembudini Posts: 580Registered Users
    Laurabeth you are SO awesome!!!! :D
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  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Is the frizz you get from curl enhancers consider product frizz? or is that from too much product?

    If I use a light gel over some curl enhancers I'll get this real light halo frizz. Which is weird since I very rarely have frizz. I did that just today actually
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  • one way streetone way street Posts: 772Registered Users
    medusahair wrote:
    Is the frizz you get from curl enhancers consider product frizz? or is that from too much product?

    If I use a light gel over some curl enhancers I'll get this real light halo frizz. Which is weird since I very rarely have frizz. I did that just today actually


    bump.. that happened to me too.
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    hey laurabeth! great list :) but for me i feel one of the frizz's (fluffy frizz) isnt caused by lack of moisture but too much ie. overconditioning. maybe have one in there for that, or edit fluffy frizz to include over conditioning? or does 'frizz' mean the hair is dry and therefore overconditioning doesnt count?

    Oh, that's another goody...

    :arrow: Overconditioning Frizz--Frizz caused by too much moisture that causes a combination of Flyaway Frizz and Fluffy Frizz. The difference in Fluffy Frizz and Overconditioning Frizz is that the hair feels soft with Overconditioning Frizz rather than dry.
    medusahair wrote:
    Is the frizz you get from curl enhancers consider product frizz? or is that from too much product?

    If I use a light gel over some curl enhancers I'll get this real light halo frizz. Which is weird since I very rarely have frizz. I did that just today actually

    This could be the Frizz on Application/Scrunching. If it's not looking producty, it wouldn't be Producty Frizz.

    I know volumizing products have that same effect on me. Maybe another type could be...

    :arrow: Volumizing/Curl Boosting Product-Induced Frizz--The frizz that comes along with the wonderful volume or curl boosting of a product that provides either or both but also decreases the curly's control over his/her curls, allowing some frizz. This is frequently halo or surface frizz in appearance, but it is directly tied to the use of this boosting-type product.
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  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    That's perfect! :D :D
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
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  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    that's great laurabeth :) my boyfriends gonna be SOOO happy about this list cos now rather than saying "oh my hairs frizzy" i can say "well i think i've got some fluffy frizz here, but i don't kno what to do about this crimped frizz at the back...or would you say its more spider weby?'

    :wink:

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  • Ab-starAb-star Posts: 1,128Registered Users
    Wow, and I thought I just had FRIZZ...now I know WHY!!
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    All those times I thought I had halo frizz when I really had surface frizz. :lol:
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  • DoodlesDoodles Posts: 1,984Registered Users
    blush wrote:
    :shock:

    My thoughts exactly!
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Can you tell I'm preparing to release my Conditioner Chronicles? Defining these terms is imperative to ensure thorough communication.
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  • frizzbombfrizzbomb Posts: 56Registered Users
    Is the frizz you can see when your hair is still wet/while scrunching always a reaction to a product? Sometimes my hair actually looks frizzier while it's drying then it does after it has dried all the way and even when I've been using the same products.

    By the way I am beside myself imagining that this conditioner survey will actually tell me what products work for what types of frizz problems. Is that the idea?!! OOOOOOOH I can't wait.
    Extremely fine 2b/3a. My frizz has tamed considerably but, I still have my "moments."
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    frizzbomb wrote:
    Is the frizz you can see when your hair is still wet/while scrunching always a reaction to a product? Sometimes my hair actually looks frizzier while it's drying then it does after it has dried all the way and even when I've been using the same products.

    Usually it is. When I see significant frizz when my hair is wet/while scrunching, it could also be caused by buildup from past days with the same product which could be why the same product could give you that type of frizz.
    frizzbomb wrote:
    By the way I am beside myself imagining that this conditioner survey will actually tell me what products work for what types of frizz problems. Is that the idea?!! OOOOOOOH I can't wait.

    That's the plan. I'm 93% there!
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  • jen4youjen4you Posts: 135Registered Users
    Spider Weby Frizz--This frizz looks like a web of individual hairs separated, mainly on the surface, and are laying across the surface of the hair in places they don't belong. The number and density of hairs who are individually separated and laying separate from their curl-homes determines the intensity of this type of frizz. The cause can be multi-facetted but includes not enough hold, wind, naps, and ionic charges on the hair being too similar one to another so the hairs repel from each other.


    I am a little confused...could this frizz be caused or made worse by using an ionic hair dryer?

    Thanks,
    Jennie
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    jen4you wrote:
    Spider Weby Frizz--This frizz looks like a web of individual hairs separated, mainly on the surface, and are laying across the surface of the hair in places they don't belong. The number and density of hairs who are individually separated and laying separate from their curl-homes determines the intensity of this type of frizz. The cause can be multi-facetted but includes not enough hold, wind, naps, and ionic charges on the hair being too similar one to another so the hairs repel from each other.


    I am a little confused...could this frizz be caused or made worse by using an ionic hair dryer?

    Thanks,
    Jennie

    Good question...I should have been more specific. Ionic hair dryers aren't the issue. Some products (ISO, Joico, and several other Zotos brands are forthright about using this technology) ionically charge their ingredients to have a positive charge so that negative-charged hair attracts their products, in theory, creating more evenly healthy-acting hair. However, when all the hairs next to each other have the same charge, like repels like and spider weby frizz is created.

    Ionic hair dryers, from what I've read, don't leave ion charges on the hair.
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  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    which one of the terms describes the frizz that happens when a clump of curls doesn't fuse together all the way, and you can kinda see spaces in between the strands?
  • one way streetone way street Posts: 772Registered Users
    jeamaria wrote:
    which one of the terms describes the frizz that happens when a clump of curls doesn't fuse together all the way, and you can kinda see spaces in between the strands?

    In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

    could it be that? I have a question about that kind of frizz. I don't use sticky stylers, but I got that kind of firzz today, and how do you know if a product has ionic charges?
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    AngieCurls wrote:
    jeamaria wrote:
    which one of the terms describes the frizz that happens when a clump of curls doesn't fuse together all the way, and you can kinda see spaces in between the strands?

    In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

    could it be that? I have a question about that kind of frizz. I don't use sticky stylers, but I got that kind of frizz today, and how do you know if a product has ionic charges?

    If there isn't any clumping/definition, it'd be more fluffy/poofball frizz.

    If the frizz is between the curls like a netting and within the circumference of individual curls, angiecurls is right, it'd be In-the-Curls Frizz.

    As for ionic charges, certain brands advertise they use them. Otherwise, it's by experience.
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  • banjocurlbanjocurl Posts: 1,020Registered Users
    so would you call this poofball or some other kind? :)

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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    banjocurl wrote:
    so would you call this poofball or some other kind? :)

    It looks pretty poofball, but it also looks like some curl definition might have held on (hard to tell from the pic). If so, it would be fluffy frizz.
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  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    banjocurl wrote:
    so would you call this poofball or some other kind? :)

    It looks pretty poofball, but it also looks like some curl definition might have held on (hard to tell from the pic). If so, it would be fluffy frizz.

    I see the random clumps of definition in this pic! ;)

    Thanks laurabeth33 and angiecurls for helping me diagnose particular case of In-the-Curls Frizz. Any ideas on a remedy? :D
  • fraggleheadfragglehead Posts: 56Registered Users
    laurabeth ~ Do you think it is possible to get frizz from the products reacting to one another? For example if I use recoil by itself I get frizz but if I use it with a gel don't. I have also noticed if I use a certain leave-in I get frizz if I use it with a cream. What do you think?
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    laurabeth ~ Do you think it is possible to get frizz from the products reacting to one another? For example if I use recoil by itself I get frizz but if I use it with a gel don't. I have also noticed if I use a certain leave-in I get frizz if I use it with a cream. What do you think?

    It sounds like you need more hold with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/AG-Recoil-p-24.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=ag-hair-cosmetics-recoil-curl-activator]re:coil[/buylink] than [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/AG-Recoil-p-24.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=ag-hair-cosmetics-recoil-curl-activator]re:coil[/buylink] offers alone.

    The leave-in plus cream could be overconditioning or suffocation (if it's more crimped frizz).
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  • jen4youjen4you Posts: 135Registered Users
    LauraBeth wrote:

    Good question...I should have been more specific. Ionic hair dryers aren't the issue. Some products (ISO, Joico, and several other Zotos brands are forthright about using this technology) ionically charge their ingredients to have a positive charge so that negative-charged hair attracts their products, in theory, creating more evenly healthy-acting hair. However, when all the hairs next to each other have the same charge, like repels like and spider weby frizz is created.



    How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?

    Thanks,
    Jennie
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    jen4you wrote:
    How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?

    The company would have to advertise it. I *think* polyquaterniums/quaterniums are charged in nature, but, of course, the concentration would be a question.
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  • one way streetone way street Posts: 772Registered Users
    jen4you wrote:
    How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?

    The company would have to advertise it. I *think* polyquaterniums/quaterniums are charged in nature, but, of course, the concentration would be a question.

    so polyquats are good for frizz?
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