My Hair is acting up-HELP PLZ

MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
Hey ladies, :sad11:

I am still learning my hair-yesterday I turned 8 months natural. My hair is breaking the reason I say breaking is bc i dont see any bulbs and most of the pieces are short. I can apply something to my hair and i look at my hands and hair is on them.
few pieces here few pieces there. Its driving me up the wall.. I should be able to apply something to my hair without my wiping or rinsing my hands bc of the hair thats on my hand..
I done a trim 2 wks ago and dont know if i cut enough off. I can feel that some of my ends are harder and rougher then the rest of my hair.. Can that be the reason for some breakage? Do I need to cut all the rough parts off?? I try to dc every wk but I do co wash every wk.. I twist or braid for the wk then on the wk end I twist out. Do the same same about every wk.
Any help would be great.. I have no idea what to do to stop the breakage.. I have used the ors deep dc pak, I have used it in a while.. I am dc right now with tropical coconut & honey hemp with olive oil.
sorry this is long but I need help. Thanks alot for any help
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  • aubinaubin Posts: 286Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Lots of things could cause breakage but if your ends are feeling rough it's likely to be either not enough moisture and/or you're hair is sensitive to protein. I had this same problem earlier this winter as I discovered that I could not use protein in any large amounts. It made my ends stiff and strawlike, and eventually they would just break off. Try co-washing, moisturizing, etc. with products that have no proteins in them. Maybe also try switching to a heavier cream-based conditioner like AOHSR. You should also be moisturizing your ends more often than once a week even if you leave your twists in all week.
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    aubin wrote: »
    Lots of things could cause breakage but if your ends are feeling rough it's likely to be either not enough moisture and/or you're hair is sensitive to protein. I had this same problem earlier this winter as I discovered that I could not use protein in any large amounts. It made my ends stiff and strawlike, and eventually they would just break off. Try co-washing, moisturizing, etc. with products that have no proteins in them. Maybe also try switching to a heavier cream-based conditioner like AOHSR. You should also be moisturizing your ends more often than once a week even if you leave your twists in all week.


    I have the aohsr and the ao gpb, have used the GPB yet. I used the aohsr and not sure how I feel about it. I only used it once. While twist are in I can say that I do spray my hair when needed, esp b4 bedtime. I forget about my ends but I do make sure I hit them with the spray as well.. I take some KBB hair milk or kbb super silky with water and spray my hair. BUt I forget to go to each end and put something on them.. I will get right on that. I also have Oyin jucies and berries and the pump is not working correctly, I then put it in another bottle and its still not working right. I do shake it like it says. I get tired of trying to make it spray and now I dont use it.. Thanks for taking the time to get back to me..
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  • rachelolivia2010rachelolivia2010 Posts: 372Registered Users
    It could be scab hair. :( The same was happening to my hair. The ends were rough and hard and gross. You might need to cut more than you think...
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  • eccentric_kurlzeccentric_kurlz Posts: 4,151Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Can you give me more info about your routine? How often you cowash/shampoo/style, etc.?

    Sometimes when you use too much protein(or products with protein high in the ingredients), it can cause dryness. Also, if you're not using enough moisturizing products, the same can happen.

    Products heavy in oils and butters are not moisturizing. Those are more so emollients. If there isn't a good balance of both, you can experience breakage.

    Also, the ends are the oldest parts of the hair, so they'd need special attention. Extra moisture, extra care. You should be moisturizing the ends everyday.
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  • maybejadeymaybejadey Posts: 198Registered Users
    The funny thing about protein is that it's hard to tell when you need it versus when you don't unless you're keeping an eye on how much protein you're applying to your hair. I had the same problem with little bits of my hair coming off and it wasn't until I finally did a mild protein treatment (co-washed with AO GPB and slathered on some 2-Minute [not 2-step] keratin reconstructor by Aphogee) that my breakage finally quit.

    I have very fine strands of hair (with coarse sprinkled throughout, but it was the fine stuff that was popping off most often). Definitely think about a light protein treatment if you believe your moisture is up to par. Sometimes we go overboard and don't realize that it is possible to overmoisturize 4a strands.
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    Can you give me more info about your routine? How often you cowash/shampoo/style, etc.?

    Sometimes when you use too much protein(or products with protein high in the ingredients), it can cause dryness. Also, if you're not using enough moisturizing products, the same can happen.

    Products heavy in oils and butters are not moisturizing. Those are more so emollients. If there isn't a good balance of both, you can experience breakage.

    Also, the ends are the oldest parts of the hair, so they'd need special attention. Extra moisture, extra care. You should be moisturizing the ends everyday.


    Store bought conditioners - there is no order to what conditioner - just what ever is in my shower at the time- Suave- Humectant, Almond and shea butter, tropical coconut. yes to carrots mud conditioner and Garnier Fructis triple nutrition conditioner. I rotate these and really like them all..
    More natural conditioners that I use are Taliah Waajid herbal conditioner, Honey Hemp- my fave is Herbal Conditioner.

    Anyway I co wash once a week, I massage Olive oil on my scalp. KBB hair milk on same section I apply her hair butter or cream then twist.. Every day/night I spray my hair with Kbb hair milk mixed with water.. I did call Kbb and asked them is there any protein in her products and there is none.. So mayb I dont have enough protein??
    I have tried samples of other lines and now I am just trying to narrow it down.. Either I am not getting enough protein OR I need to cut my hair again.. what do ya'll think??

    Thanks for ur help every1
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  • HipsterSoulHipsterSoul Posts: 1,017Registered Users
    Maybe you're using too many condtioners at once. Try using one at a time to see which one is causing the breakage, then if it dos you'll know what chemical or condish is causing it.
  • eccentric_kurlzeccentric_kurlz Posts: 4,151Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Okay, looking at your routine, and it doesn't appear that you're using a leave in/moisturizer, and many of the conditioners you're using don't necessarily HAVE protein.

    You probably are lacking in protein and need a good protein treatment.

    Also, you're using KBB Hair milk and cream, which has veggie glycerin. Sometimes, that can be the culprit of dryness(or add to it) because it's a humectant. If the hair doesn't have moisture in the air to draw/pull from, it can also dry the hair. That's why honey, glycerin, and sometimes aloe vera-based gels or products are better used in the spring/summer.
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    Okay, looking at your routine, and it doesn't appear that you're using a leave in/moisturizer, and many of the conditioners you're using don't necessarily HAVE protein.

    You probably are lacking in protein and need a good protein treatment.

    Also, you're using KBB Hair milk and cream, which has veggie glycerin. Sometimes, that can be the culprit of dryness(or add to it) because it's a humectant. If the hair doesn't have moisture in the air to draw/pull from, it can also dry the hair. That's why honey, glycerin, and sometimes aloe vera-based gels or products are better used in the spring/summer.


    I use the KBB hair milk as a leave in or should I apply something else b4 the hair milk?? Then while my hair is still damp I then apply the cream or butter then twist.. What should I be doing?? I should find something without V Glycerin in it.. I am so clueless about my natural hair.. Thanks again for helping me
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  • eccentric_kurlzeccentric_kurlz Posts: 4,151Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Since the weather is warming up, your hair my respond better to what you're using(a little later). I'm assuming that you live in an area that has all four seasons. ;)

    I'd try doing a protein deep treatment at least once a week since your routine in lacking in that. I wish I could recommend a good one, but the one I used to use changed its formula. :(

    You may want to look into moisturizers(or a leave in) with actual conditioning agents(btms, cetyl alcohol, cetearyl alcohol, etc). Darcy's Botanical is a good place to start.

    I'm sure others will chime in with recommendations. The products you're using are good products, but you just need to add REAL moisturizers to the mix, and a good deep conditioner/treatment.
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  • gagirl09gagirl09 Posts: 2,316Registered Users
    I am so confused now I read somewhere else that oils do not moisturize hair they only retain moisture. So what moisturizes your hair besides water and glycerin (for the glycerin what do you do in cold months)?
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  • eccentric_kurlzeccentric_kurlz Posts: 4,151Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    gagirl09 wrote: »
    I am so confused now I read somewhere else that oils do not moisturize hair they only retain moisture. So what moisturizes your hair besides water and glycerin (for the glycerin what do you do in cold months)?

    Oils are emollients and seal in moisture, but they don't necessarily moisturize. I listed a few in a previous post, but this article will show you ingredients that are considered moisturizing(in leave ins, conditioners and in many stylers/moisturizers):

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/curlchemist-hair-conditioners

    There's another article I'm trying to find that helps too, but I'm having difficulty. Hopefully it helps a little.
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    Samielle1 wrote: »
    Maybe you're using too many condtioners at once. Try using one at a time to see which one is causing the breakage, then if it dos you'll know what chemical or condish is causing it.

    i dont use all of my conditioners at once.. I only use one conditioner at a time for my co washes. Those are the conditioners that I have on hand..

    Thanks every 1 again for your help, I will switch some things up and see what happens:compress:
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    Do any1 know of any good protein treatments. Since I dont use any protein on the regular basis how often should I do the protein treatment. After the treatment what should I do next to my hair. I dont think I need a hardcore protein treatment, I dont think. any help will be great.. thanks again ladies:toothy8:
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  • maybejadeymaybejadey Posts: 198Registered Users
    I use Aphogee 2-Minute Keratin Reconstructor. It's different from the 2-Step, which is hardcore.

    And how often is going to depend on your hair. Some folks do once a month, others every other week. Some every 6 mos. I just do them when my hair starts to feel mushy or if my coils lose some of their definition. Just be sure to follow up protein, especially a more intense treatment with a moisturizing DC or you may end up with stiff and brittle hair.
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    maybejadey wrote: »
    I use Aphogee 2-Minute Keratin Reconstructor. It's different from the 2-Step, which is hardcore.

    And how often is going to depend on your hair. Some folks do once a month, others every other week. Some every 6 mos. I just do them when my hair starts to feel mushy or if my coils lose some of their definition. Just be sure to follow up protein, especially a more intense treatment with a moisturizing DC or you may end up with stiff and brittle hair.

    Okay thanks, I will look for that one 2 minute one.. So when I rinse it out the 2 min one, then start the moisturizing one?? Just want to make sure I have it right b4 I do it..
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  • maybejadeymaybejadey Posts: 198Registered Users
    Yep, just do a moisturizing deep conditioning treatment. Pick a conditioner without protein. The way the protein works, it provides more structure to your hair which is good. But that structure needs to be moisturized just like the rest of your hair. It's sort of a proportion. If you've got 5 little proteins, you might need 10 water to keep your hair moisturized. Now you've upped it to 10 little proteins. Now you need 20 water or the ratio won't be enough for your hair to feel soft.. [worst science analogy ever, but it's how I think about it...]. Plop it on the hair and deep condition like you normally do. =)

    Hope it helps.
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    maybejadey wrote: »
    Yep, just do a moisturizing deep conditioning treatment. Pick a conditioner without protein. The way the protein works, it provides more structure to your hair which is good. But that structure needs to be moisturized just like the rest of your hair. It's sort of a proportion. If you've got 5 little proteins, you might need 10 water to keep your hair moisturized. Now you've upped it to 10 little proteins. Now you need 20 water or the ratio won't be enough for your hair to feel soft.. [worst science analogy ever, but it's how I think about it...]. Plop it on the hair and deep condition like you normally do. =)

    Hope it helps.

    Thanks for helping me- I will do this on over the wk end. :compress:
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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,784Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    How is your hair? Any improvement? Here's another routine that might help you:

    1. Place a moisturizing conditioner on your dry hair. Do not wet it. Then place a plastic cap on. Leave the conditioner and cap on for an hour. If you need to go out, you can cover your head with a scarf.

    2. Rinse hair with cool to warm water. Cowash or shampoo.

    3. Deep condition with heat using a moisturizing conditioner. Afterward, let your hair cool down (about 15 minutes). Rinse with cool water.

    4. Use a leave-in conditioner without PVP/copolymer.

    5. Then place your hair in a protective style such as twists, buns, etc. Let your hair dry naturally.

    6. At night, use the leave-in again. Wrap hair in a satin or silk cap/wrap.

    7. In the morning, massage the leave-in on your hair again.
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    DT: various
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    Stylers: MoroccanOil Curl Defining Cream, various
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  • MoHair09MoHair09 Posts: 92Registered Users
    Greatcurls wrote: »
    How is your hair? Any improvement? Here's another routine that might help you:

    1. Place a moisturizing conditioner on your dry hair. Do not wet it. Then place a plastic cap on. Leave the conditioner and cap on for an hour. If you need to go out, you can cover your head with a scarf.

    2. Rinse hair with cool to warm water. Cowash or shampoo.

    3. Deep condition with heat using a moisturizing conditioner. Afterward, let your hair cool down (about 15 minutes). Rinse with cool water.

    4. Use a leave-in conditioner without PVP/copolymer.

    5. Then place your hair in a protective style such as twists, buns, etc. Let your hair dry naturally.

    6. At night, use the leave-in again. Wrap hair in a satin or silk cap/wrap.

    7. In the morning, massage the leave-in on your hair again.

    Thanks for coming in... I am going to do a protein treatment this weekend.. I dont know if I should see a improvement with the first treatment.I do have the AOGPB and I will be using that for the first time. With #3 I dont have any heating equipment yet.. I just usually leave a DT on for a 1 or so.. Should I wash & airdry my hair b4 using the AOGPB or use it with product on my hair?? Thanks again
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  • GreatcurlsGreatcurls Posts: 1,784Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    MoHair09 wrote: »
    Greatcurls wrote: »
    How is your hair? Any improvement? Here's another routine that might help you:

    1. Place a moisturizing conditioner on your dry hair. Do not wet it. Then place a plastic cap on. Leave the conditioner and cap on for an hour. If you need to go out, you can cover your head with a scarf.

    2. Rinse hair with cool to warm water. Cowash or shampoo.

    3. Deep condition with heat using a moisturizing conditioner. Afterward, let your hair cool down (about 15 minutes). Rinse with cool water.

    4. Use a leave-in conditioner without PVP/copolymer.

    5. Then place your hair in a protective style such as twists, buns, etc. Let your hair dry naturally.

    6. At night, use the leave-in again. Wrap hair in a satin or silk cap/wrap.

    7. In the morning, massage the leave-in on your hair again.

    ...With #3 I dont have any heating equipment yet.. I just usually leave a DT on for a 1 or so.. Should I wash & airdry my hair b4 using the AOGPB or use it with product on my hair?? Thanks again

    If you can wrap a warm towel around the plastic cap, that would work. Some people need a higher heat other than body heat to open the cuticles so the conditioner can get inside.

    There's no need to air dry before using the AOGPB. Once you wash out the moisturizing conditioner, put on the AOGPB. Afterward, use a moisturizing conditioner. The AOGPB is a protein conditioner, so it'll make your hair hard. If you don't follow with a moisturizing conditioner, then your hair will become brittle and break. I always use protein conditioner alone, so I don't know the results of using it with another product. HTH
    Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
     *This list is not exhaustive...
    CoWash: various
    DT: various
    Leave-in: 100% Mafura butter, Shima Hair Leave-in 
    Stylers: MoroccanOil Curl Defining Cream, various
    Spritz/Sealant:not now
    *experimenting and loving it!

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